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Ah now, which thugs?

In Rotherham, a hotel used to house asylum seekers was set ablaze, and another in Tamworth was targeted by anti-immigration protesters.

In Bolton, Muslim groups shouting “Allahu Akbar” clashed with far-Right rioters.

A mob in Middlesbrough shouted “smash the p—s” and “there ain’t no black in the Union Jack” while targeting the homes of migrants, while footage on social media from elsewhere in the city appeared to show groups of Asian men attacking white men.

“‘Ee started it!” is not in fact a defence in law. Not unless you use only that violence necessary to stop the attack and thereby ensure your own safety. That is, that over here there’s a mob attacking non’Anglo Saxons is not a defence for those non-Anglos Saxons attacking Anglo Saxons 500 yards away.

Both or either are equally guilty of assaulty, GBH, riot, whatever.

Which does lead to that interesting question. Are the police and courts going to treat them the same way?

Even, which way will a former DPP tell everyone to jump?

22 thoughts on “Ah now, which thugs?”

  1. Which does lead to that interesting question. Are the police and courts going to treat them the same way?

    I always like to start the week with a good laugh.

  2. Given that Nick Knowles of ‘Hope Not Hate’ was Tweeting out false rumours of acid attacks on Muslims, will he be the first ‘social media instigator’ to have his collar felt?

    I guess he’ll be the bellwether…

  3. Given there are videos of police on horseback leading a mob of Asians in a charge against white mostly peaceful protesters, I doubt the system going to treat them equally.
    Which is of course, just going to make it all worse.

    It’ll be fun when they start trying to conscript to go and fight Russia.
    “Sign up and fight for your country”
    “Don’t need to sign up for that pal, it’s what we’re already doing!”

    I think this is only going to escalate

  4. All the trouble is being whipped up by out-of-towners coming in and making mischief. I wonder how many of the pro-immigrant demonstrators in Weymouth actually live there, or in Portland.

  5. @decnine

    All the trouble is being whipped up by out-of-towners coming in and making mischief. I wonder how many of the pro-immigrant demonstrators in Weymouth actually live there, or in Portland.

    I hear this sort of thing a lot and I always ask how the people who say it know it to be the case?

    As it happens, I have – for their sins – family who live close to Tamworth and so I know it quite well.

    It used to be (until the 1960s) a nice little Staffordshire market town, with some nice outlying villages which still remain largely untouched (Haunton, Clifton Campville, Harlaston, Lullington, in one of which my paternal grandparents used to live in a wonderful old manor house), and I’ve seen photos of it which almost make you want to live there.

    Then came the Birmingham overspill, the construction of the Stonydelph and Glascote Heath housing estates, and of the horrible ‘Ankerside’ shopping centre, and the ‘Egg’ roundabout, and the decline was set in stone.

    I recently went up to meet those rellies who live in the environs for a pint at this pub https://camra.org.uk/press_release/the-best-pub-in-the-uk-is-revealed-by-the-campaign-for-real-ale/

    Really nice, though more Brummies than one might wish to see.

    We were all shocked (perhaps we shouldn’t have been) by the state of the town centre, where pretty much every shop was boarded up or to let.

    It is an absolute dump.

    There is no need for anyone to come in from outside to protest the destruction of the local civilisation and way of life; there must be 50,000 locals who are furious about it.

    I’d say 98% of them are kept stupefied by lager, Deliveroo pizza and Sky Sports, but that can’t go on forever.

    I don’t think the migrant hotel is particularly the issue – that is more of a thumb in the eye.

    The issue is the removal, or the disappearance, of meaningful work, family life, education and hobbies, replaced by dole, serial babyfathers, schools which teach nothing, and the aforementioned telly.

    I don’t know how we fix this.

    I’m pretty sure the authorities think it can’t be fixed and have been thinking a few chess moves ahead for quite some time…

  6. The niceties of the Common Law don’t apply during war – which is what we now have courtesy of the policies of the political slime over the last 30 years.

  7. “out-of-towners coming in and making mischief”

    A pal used to say, sarcastically: “Sir, sir, it wasn’t us, it was bad boys from Kinlochleven.”

  8. “which way will a former DPP tell everyone to jump?”

    He’s already told the entire nation, twice, his adenoidal little voice quivering with anxiety disguised as righteous anger.

    Mind you, they’re probably working from home, so he might need a third go.

  9. I suppose Smarmer would have been DPP while a lot of the rape gang stuff was going on. Has he been publicly challenged on that? INWN?

  10. Fun fact: police horses hate air horns.

    a hotel used to house asylum seekers was set ablaze,

    The hotel was just a building. Think of how many little girls’ lives may have been saved by that one little fire.

  11. In the TV coverage of the Rotherham riots I did see loads of signs saying “Sheffield Welcomes Refugees”. So, yes, *outsiders*.

    And, as per my usual argument, take their addresses and billet half a dozen refugees with them. They *are* telling the truth, aren’t they?

  12. The Pedant-General

    Dearieme,

    “Sir, sir, it wasn’t us, it was bad boys from Kinlochleven.”

    Oooft. Having been in Kinlochleven on the night England contested the last Euros final vs Italy, I would give quite a lot of credence to that excuse.

  13. Decnine : out-of-towners..

    You can’t be much of a rioter Decnine, or you’d know you always go to a neighbouring town to riot, you don’t want o mess up your own. See also partisan activity in WW2 against the SS. You don#+’t do it near your village.

  14. Martin Near The M25

    Probably a just few speeches by Starmer away. I thought it would take Labour several months to cause chaos but he’s done it in weeks.

  15. From Murphy on X: “Why isn’t the English Defence League a prescribed [sic] terrorist organisation?”

    Because it died years ago. MSM and pols seem to have missed the obitituaries

    However, we have a replacement: the Muslim Defence League (MDL). At a Saturday pre-riot meet outside mosque before clash & riot, police asked them to leave their weapons in the mosque. Police then said “We’re here to help you”

    Starmer: “We will protect mosques and make sure streets are safe for muslims”

    No mention of churches, synagogues, Christians, Jews, white…

  16. And no mention of Swifties. Who have lost 3 members of their community to actual murder, which could have been prevented if bringing a knife to school got you 8 year in a YOI and religious spaces were verboten in YOIs and prisons.

  17. Half the reason for the riots is that the government *already* treats one group more favo(u)rably.

  18. Excellent piece by Matt Goodwin: What did you expect?

    Britain’s protests reflect Decades of elite failure

    Interesting

    In 2016, Rachel Reeves, warned that high levels of immigration and EU freedom of movement had to come to an end: “We have got to get [Brexit] right because there are bubbling tensions in this country that I just think could explode. You had those riots [in London] in 2011… If riots started again in Leeds and bits of my constituency – it’s like a tinderbox”
    .
    Instead of acknowledging the frustration and anger that exists in communities across the country, as Reeves did in 2016, the government and the wider establishment instead seek to delegitimise concerns about immigration, perhaps in the hope that, contrary to all experience and common sense, the issue will just go away

    Elon Musk nails it:
    The billionaire directly criticised Starmer for saying that the government would “not tolerate attacks on Muslim communities”. He said the prime minister should be concerned about attacks on “all communities” and suggested that the police were taking a “one-sided” approach to the disturbances

  19. The Times this morning has an ‘in depth’ article about those ‘fanning the flames of violence’, illustrated by a composite image of: Andrew Tate, Lawrence Fox, Farage and Tommy Robinson.

    Andrew Tate? Man’s a bell end but I’ve never heard of him saying anything about immigration. Looks like they literally couldn’t think of anyone else. It is laughable.

  20. “A mob in Middlesbrough shouted ‘smash the p—s'”

    pigs? Or do only the Left use that as a derogatory term for the police these days?

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