Smoking in pub gardens could be banned under plans being considered by ministers.
Leaked documents seen by The Sun suggest the Government is also looking at extending the ban on indoor smoking to areas outside football stadiums, outdoor restaurants, shisha bars and open-air spaces at nightclubs.
It will also apply outside universities, hospitals, children’s play areas and small parks while vapers could also be hit, the newspaper said.
Private homes are likely to be unaffected, as are large parks and roads, but the distance someone will be allowed to smoke away from one of these locations is yet to be determined, the newspaper reported.
Entirely barking. There’s no justification which isn’t a proof of Hayek’s contention about serfdom.
I’m an ex smoker who fully supported the ban in pubs and restaurants but banning it outside is a step too far.
They are not insane.
It is all part of the plan and they make no secret of it.
You are not allowed to do what you want, say what you want or think what you want.
Good. It stinks
“ Private homes are likely to be unaffected”
How gracious of them, allowing me to do legal stuff in my own home.
Private homes are likely to be unaffected,
That’s kind of them, seeing as I have no intention of obeying.
The legislation, which was first tabled by Rishi Sunak’s government, would ban anyone born after 2009 from buying tobacco in an attempt to phase out smoking completely.
Labour ministers re-introduced it in the King’s Speech after the Conservatives ran out of time to get it on the statute book before Rishi Sunak decided to call a snap general election.
Theo will be along soon to explain how this is all your fault for not voting for the Brown Goldfish.
Sir Tony Blair banned smoking indoors in 2007 in one of his final acts as Prime Minister and no Government has sought reverse it
The Conservative Party is a lot like cancer.
Totalitarian tyranny, and they have no clue as to why they shouldn’t do it. Freedom is a threat, to them. And when I use “they” I don’y distinguish tory from labour. No doubt theo will be along to vexplain how it’s all Reform’s fault.
All four nations of the UK will be affected although the measures will first be subject to a public consultation
We live in a fake democracy where the outcomes of “public consultations” are already decided, and so is the guilt of any white person the Regime decides to go after for not grovelling to their replacements.
OK, vexplain is a result of fat fingers but I quite like it, I think it fills a need.
Labour manifesto, it said : “Labour has developed a plan for small businesses – the lifeblood of communities and high streets across the country”
A plan to close them.
WTF is a “shisha bar” and why is that particular thing singled out?
Ah, silly me. It’s obviously a niche interest of whoever drafted the idea, so fuck you Jo(e) Public; it’s all about meeeeee.
Prof Whitty is the one driving this. That bloke from Essex didn’t hit the bastard hard enough.
“ Private homes are likely to be unaffected”
This time round.
I’m tempted to get my pipe out, rejuvenate my tin of Balkan Sobranie, and start puffing again. Lovely thing, a pipe, unlike those vile cancer sticks.
As far as I know light pipe-smoking poses no danger to health but for someone with my ails I don’t think it would matter if I were wrong.
Then there’s a cigar (I have one somewhere) and snuff (I’ve not sniffed snuff for decades but I still have several fine snuff-sniffer’s handkerchiefs).
This is like drill and spit-and-polish in the army. The more used to doing lots of little pointless things when told, the more likely you are to accept five Muslim blokes being billeted in your daughter’s bedroom.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/I_KOlubCXOE
There are still people on here who approve of this sort of thing. When will they learn to be careful what they wish for?
dearieme
My mum used to tell us about her Welsh grandma. She lived into her 90s and grandfather was well in his late 80s when he went.
Her granny used to complain “And he’d have lived a lot longer if he hadn’t smoked that rotten old pipe all day !”
This is a Challenge 65 premises, can you show me ID sir?
If hints are to be believed there’s not much chance of Two-Tier prohibiting booze.
If this won’t, for now, apply to private residences, I wonder if it will apply to outside areas of private establishments used through membership, like the balcony by the Thames of the Houses of Parliament? Can’t see our political masters complying with restrictions imposed on the rest of us.
Being selfish and not liking tobacco (or other) smoke, I’m happy when I don’t have to sniff it.
However if someone else wants to smoke tobacco (or hashish etc) they’re welcome to do so. Just not in my back yard thanks.
Of course if the Brisbane City Council abolished the stupid rule it brought in about half a century ago stopping the burning of waste in backyard incinerators I’d light mine up like a shot. (After I bought a new one.) But this is me doing something I want to do. Not other people doing what they want to do.
@Sebalto
Good. It stinks
Substitute smoker with homosexual, black, Muslim, or Jew and you see clearly the mindset.
I see you Sebalto. I see you.
Good news for your local dope pedler.
Actually, I suspect it’s a foundation for ID cards. How else to prove your age to buy tobacco/alocohol/medicine?
Good news for your local dope pedler.
He’s a good friend. I’ve found that drug dealers are more reliable than the NHS, and they’re also happy to chat with you for more than 10 minutes.
They should finish enforcing the ban on stabbing people to death in public building first.
Henry
And I see your false equivalencies. Being black, gay or a Jew carries no discernible externalities, whereas engaging in an act that immediately taints my immediate oxygen supply and fills it with chemicals, and renders it smelling awful, is a clear externality.
– Substitute smoker with homosexual, black, Muslim, or Jew and you see clearly the mindset.
Careful using those examples around here, Henry Crun; you could end up with an outright smoking ban and delinquents deported.
The people who want to see smoking banned in pub gardens are the same people who are happy to see Barry the plumber in a dress wave her penis around in the ladies toilets
Sort of linked, because it explains Western governments’ policy of total control in other contexts as well as this, this is a very interesting interview with ex CIA chap Mike Benz.
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-tucker-carlson-show/id1719657632?i=1000666955831
Where we’re headed, from back when it was still funny: https://theonion.com/smoking-now-permitted-only-in-special-room-in-iowa-1819564632/
I’m an ex smoker who fully supported the ban in pubs and restaurants but banning it outside is a step too far. – Addolff
Exactly, Addolff!
Theo will be along soon to explain how this is all your fault for not voting for the Brown Goldfish.
Steve, smoking is dying out – only about 1 in 8 adults in the UK now smokes – so there is no justification for either the Tory or the Labour interventions. Libtard bansturbators will be thrilled, however…
Theo – I’m a dinosaur, but it was better in the Cretaceous.
We’ve gone from being a society where you could smoke at your desk to a society where HR badgers people to put “their pronouns” on their Teams profile.
Smoking fags is an older bloke thing now, but so is being able to change a tyre.
“ I’m an ex smoker who fully supported the ban in pubs and restaurants but banning it outside is a step too far.”
This former 30-a-day smoker is the exact opposite. I have a choice to go in to a pub, I have no choice when I’m walking down the street and the guy in front of me lights up andbI got a gob full of his smoke.
I’m presuming that the licensing laws currently permit a Landlord to declare their garden a no smoking area and enforce it. Obviously they wouldn’t do that ‘cos would lose customers. Effectively it’s customers who make smoking outdoors possible, and that’s what Sir Keir wants to ban – adult customers getting to decide.
BinD, @ 8.40, Why should you be entitled to walk down a street without breathing in someone elses fag smoke but I’m not allowed the same privilege in a pub?
If you choose to go outside and are worried you may breath in some smoke, wear a mask. Lots of people did it during covid…….
Adolff,
A pub is private property. Not yours.
The whole reason I objected to the smoking ban is that this was clearly what people in pubs wanted. Cafes and restaurants were often non-smoking, because again, what people wanted in them. The pub I went to had smoking everywhere but the dining area.
It’s just obnoxious to me that the sort of people who pop in once in a blue moon could go dictating to the regulars that pay the bills.
Western B, Pub = Public House, ie: Open to the public, so not quite ‘private property’.
Pubs are not private clubs and if you argued that such clubs should have had the choice on whether to allow smoking or not I wouldn’t disagree with you.
Prior to 2007, my choice was go into a pub for a pint or three and put up with the stench / nausea caused by a minority of people who smoked, or stay at home. And the idea of a ‘non smoking area’ is a laugh, like in the cinema – “for the comfort of our patrons who prefer not to smoke, the left side of this auditorium has been designated No Smoking”. How the fuck does the smoke know……
And the ‘non smoking’ area in the Rising Sun in Romford was opposite the bar, surrounded on three sides by the smoking area. The other side was an external wall.
Smokers (at the moment) can go into a pub but have to go outside if they want a fag which doesn’t seem extreme to me……
But all this is by the by. The law was passed and it isn’t going to go back to the way it was, no matter how much people grizzle about it.
And I consider myself to be a regular in my local which is always busy when I go in there (two or three times a week) and i’ve noticed only ONE ‘regular’ going outside for a fag.
“carries no discernible externalities”
One of the pub regulars my way has serious BO. Not at all pleasant – and the pub isn’t interested. Should the Government ban such behaviour in public places (be that in pubs or just walking along the street), simply because some may find it deeply unpleasant (personally I find it far more unsavoury than the smell of a pipe or a cigar)…
@ Adolff
As a life-long non-smoker I am strongly against the ban on smoking in pubs and the proposed extension. When I was young, most pubs had two bars, one of which permitted smoking and one which did not so obsessives like yourself had the option of a smoke-free zone. Why do you wish to prohibit any harmless smoker the option of having a drink and a smoke within hours or minutes of each other? It is not even as if all, or even a majority of, teetotallers wanted to ban pubs {one of my former colleagues used to judge pubs on the quality of their lemonade]
John77 @ 3.57, bloody hell…… ‘harmless smoker’? Perhaps you want to have a chat with Bloke in North Dorset who objects to people smoking in the street.
You sound like a sad reamoaner mate. You lost this war, get over it.