Labour hopes to deepen economic ties with Europe outside EU’s structures
Cooperation with foreigners in foreign. Why not? It is, after all, the EU itself that is the enemy, not foreigners nor Europeans.
Labour hopes to deepen economic ties with Europe outside EU’s structures
Cooperation with foreigners in foreign. Why not? It is, after all, the EU itself that is the enemy, not foreigners nor Europeans.
Tim, your disingenuousness always amazes me. Tongue so far in your cheek, surgery may be required…
It depends.
If the point is to stay closely aligned so that we don’t diverge and it will be easier to rejoin then bad idea and Starmer has already implied he doesn’t want to use Brexit to diverge.
It’s bound to be a bad deal. No doubt the EU will ask for the moon on a stick and Starmer will take that as a starting point and give them more.
The EU has never entered into an agreement which wasn’t heavily loaded in its own favour.
After TTK’s love-in with Scholz, Brussels went out of its way to underline that there could be no bilateral deals between the UK and Germany.
Scholz’s government will be out on its multi-coloured ear within the year so as love-ins go, this one had a whiff of necrophilia.
The current post-BREXIT arrangements are both expensive and inefficient so any changes should be an improvement.
“The current post-BREXIT arrangements are both expensive and inefficient so any changes should be an improvement”
What leads you to that conclusion?
The problem is petty bureaucrats on both sides. And it was exactly the same when we were IN the EU, it’s just that now they’ve got a different excuse to fuck things up.
Not true. They are all on the EU’s side – particularly the negotiating teams before Frosty the No-man took over.
BiW @ 9.15, sorry but I think we have seen over the decades that there are far too many jobsworths in the UK who insisted on implementing every bit of EU legislation they could, as rigorously as they could. On top of that, our establishment is chock full of cunts who want to punish us for voting Leave.
The French, Germans, Italians, Greeks, Spanish etc. etc. ignore the bits of EU nonsense they don’t like and get away with it.
Although I do agree the EU is full of tossers too. As one US diplomat said “If I asked the EU for the time they would say no”.
The ‘EU structures’ MP’s are desperate to rejoin:
An orgy organiser in Brussels has denied doing anything wrong when his secret sex party was raided by the police, catching 20 men in the act, including an anti-gay MEP who is a close political ally of right-wing Hungarian president Viktor Orban.
Because this is clown world, they were arrested for not wearing COVID masks at the gay orgy.
The EU is Monkeypox.
Ex US State Dept and CIA chap Mike Benz explains the slowly gathering net in which Western governments are attempting to catch us all. He particularly loathes the EU.
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-tucker-carlson-show/id1719657632?i=1000666955831
Well a few years ago I could ship parts back and forth between London and Lille, Koln, etc without thinking twice about it. Now it needs a day’s worth of paperwork and there’s no flexibility for last minute changes. I cannot imagine how that can be made any harder.
Not sure which side’s bureaucracy is worse but it would not have hurt to have had a plan beyond “quit EU, keep access to Single Market, undercut them, profit!”
@Brindisini
This is something the EU has imposed on you. Not the UK & not the UK leaving the EU. You are exporting. Import requirements are the EU’s. Blame them. They are not obligatory. They are their choice.
Further. Why should any of those here give a fuck whether you can successfully export to the EU? There’s nothing for them to gain out of it. But much to be lost. If you find it a problem ,tough. Find better customers.
@Brindisini
I’ve no doubt EU-required paperwork is excruciating (though global shippers like Amazon, DHL etc seem able to deal with it). The first time you have to export a product is an absolute nightmare, by the fifth time, you should have got the hang of it, by the 100th time it should be automated with a single click.
I saw on Quora an estimate that about 1000 items have been added to the acquis communautaire since 2021. 1000 items that we would have to implement in the UK if we were to ask to rejoin. Amongst them would be the heavy-handed approach to AI that has resulted in the EU being left out of any international investment activity in that arena
Time for a quiet chuckle, Diogenes? It’s the EU nations bearing the costs. Nobody else’s problem.
The EU is an economic dead zone, they killed themselves when they decided to sanction their main energy supplier over the Ukraine war. The endless whinge about how we “need” to do more trade with a deindustrialising refugee camp is retarded. We should want to trade with the BRICS instead, because they have money to spend and growing economies.
Idk how people can look at the escalating economic and social destruction being inflicted across Europe and think “yer, I want more of that”, but Monkeypox does weird things to the brain.
@Steve
It’s not monkeypox any more, it’s mpox.
Bigot.
CJ – Yes. x
Brindisini said:
“The current post-BREXIT arrangements are both expensive and inefficient so any changes should be an improvement.”
Your first contention is true.
The second is where the EU says “hold my beer, you ain’t seen nothing yet”
OT: TTK is apparently removing the painting of Maggie Thatcher from a room in No 10 he uses. That says a lot about his state of mind. I reckon he thought he was making a cheap political statement but in the darker recesses of his mind, he knows he’s not up to the job and he can’t stand the thought of a woman far more competent than he continually reminding him of that fact.
Margaret Thatcher was the last person to enter 10 Downing Street with honest intentions.
@ Steve 10.19
Was this a gay orgy? If not why was the fact/allegation that the MEP was anti-gay relevant?
@john77
As I recall, it was a gay orgy. …catching 20 men in the act,.. should have given you a clue.
Steve………interesting to see which countries are joining BRICS. I think Saudi Arabia has joined, and the UAR is pending , Turkey maybe. No one from Europe. Western msm seems to ignore what is going on.
@BiW Hold on…. Are you saying the UK is void of petty bureaucrats?
When half of the output of our Host is specifically aimed at the foibles and sheer unadulterated madness of the UK bureaucracy?
Not at all. I’m saying our petty bureaucrats openly work for our enemies.
“ Cooperation with foreigners in foreign. Why not?”
Because some of us are old enough to remember we were told that was “all” joining the EEC was about – just trade with Germany, France, Italy, BeNeLux – nothing more, honest injun, cross my heart, etc absolutely nothing to do with sovereignty.
Brindisini
August 30, 2024 at 10:33 am
Well a few years ago I could ship parts back and forth between London and Lille, Koln, etc without thinking twice about it.
The EU started in 1992. The original EEC was six, then nine (incl UK) in 1973, then grew further in the 1980s.
Point being – prior to 1992, there was export paperwork between EEC members and between EEC members and non-EEC members. I had experience of this since 1976, and importing into EEC, non-EEC, then later EU, from USA, Canada, Australia.
This all happened smoothly and routinely. It’s called doing business and why export/import managers are employed.
Some people, it seems, think that the EU came into being with the Big Bang and nothing else has been known in the Universe.