How did we get from three little girls being hideously killed at a Taylor Swift dance class to boozed-up, far-right thugs rioting on the streets of Southport? The senseless killing of children understandably conjures up a very specific kind of revulsion and grief. But this was not what was on display close to the Southport mosque last night amid flying bricks, burning cars and anti-Muslim chants.
It’s fine to say that those lads in Southport were not up to speed with events. Even, that they might have been mislead. You may or may not be right about it but it’s fine to say it.
But a little misleading doesn’t produce a riot. There has to be an underlying grievance, a festering, before something can trigger a riot – possibly even that misinformation that you claim did trigger it.
It’s not the trigger that matters, it’s the fester that can be triggered that does.
Again, it’s not even relevant that the cause of the fester is true. It just has to exist. And there are large numbers of people who think there’s something wrong with the country. Even, that their country is being taken from them. Whether they’re right or wrong isn’t, as I say, relevant. It’s whether they believe it and so it can be triggered.
So, why do they believe that then, Owen?
Translation: ‘Oh shit, surely all my ‘Guardian’ columns couldn’t be said to have led/contributed to this ..?’
Well, this might not age well:
’In fact, he is a Cardiff-born Briton with “no known links to Islam”, in the words of the BBC. Indeed, the police are increasingly focusing their inquiries on the suspect’s mental health.’
If it turns out he’s not? What then, Owen..? Maybe that ‘in fact’ might not be so…
The problem is that if an Aghan acid attacker is described as a Geordie – people don’t believe the police even they say the truth.
Saying that the riots were 100% wrong and I hope they all get locked up.
They’re not riots.
They’re fiery – but mostly peaceful – protests by people who want to decolonise Britain, and I hope we see a lot more of them.
he is a Cardiff-born Briton
In who’s opinion? And no it’s not just a matter of where someone’s born & what passport they’re entitled to. What do they identify as & what do people see them identifying as?
You wanted multiculturalism, you’ve got multiculturalism. There are now any number of people in the UK who primarily identify by their ethnicity rather than their technical nationality. Diane Abbott’s a fine example. She never misses an opportunity to do so.
JuliaM:
Sounds like this could be a case where a Venn diagram might actually be helpful. We could have three circles in it:
1) violent criminals
2) immigrants from African and Asian shitholes and their off-spring
3) Islam
We would then see that there is a large but not entire overlap between the circles. In a lot of cases there would be an overlap between all 3. In this case the overlap would (from press reports) be between 1) and 2) but not include 3. Still doesn’t change the fact that people are pissed off about the overlaps
I think people throwing bricks at the police and setting fire to their van fits within most definitions of a riot.
@ Broom
You’re going to get a rude awakening when the actual riots kick off. Plod won’t look so clever either once they are actually on the other end of a kicking.
I think people throwing bricks at the police and setting fire to their van fits within most definitions of a riot.
No, as we found out when BLM burned down half of America, and ran wild through Britain’s streets whilst screaming autistically and attacking the furniture, property damage isn’t a riot, bigot.
Think of it more as a gentle reminder to the supposed authorities of what they’re getting for Christmas. 🙂
I think people throwing bricks at the police and setting fire to their van fits within most definitions of a riot.
The problem with that one, Mr Broom, is there’s such a long history of the UK authorities trying to describe what were riots as not being riots. Favourite terms being disturbances & a good one “Peaceful protests that were marred by an unrepresentative number who took the opportunity to resort to violence” Wasn’t that the Tottenham riot where a copper got his head hacked off?
See?
Toppling statues of bygone tyrants forces British people to face present-day racism
Owen Jones
Burning police vehicles forces British authorities to face present day-child murder.
Steve
Britain has whitewashed its history of slavery and imperialism for too long – as the statues fall, another story is emerging
Britain has whitewashed its history of inviting foreign savages to come here and rape or murder our children – as the police vans burn, another story is emerging.
It’s like poetry, it rhymes.
There appear to be profound similarities between what happened in Southport and the riot in Dublin last November, which followed another knife attack on children.
Except they weren’t just “knife attacks”. Children were murdered you nasty little POS!
But this was not what was on display close to the Southport mosque last night amid flying bricks, burning cars and anti-Muslim chants.
Take away the anti-Muslim chants, which is all he cares about, and you’ve pretty much described last week’s rapidly memory-holed events in Harehill.
A large reason why there are riots is the weather. When it’s cold and wet UK protests soon fizzle out. On hot dryish nights it spreads to other cities.
I’m pleased to see Owen would have no time for those wicked Muslims who call the Jewish asylum seekers in Israel ‘settlers’.
I look forward to him getting stuck into horrid far right wing thugs like Hamas.
Andyf – we should drive diesel cars and burn coal to stop riots.
If the arrested rioters demand a crown court trial I expect to see some sporadic outbreaks of jury nullification.
And then some “mostly peaceful protest” rioting by muslims…
And then…
Once again, the Left understands the friend/ enemy distinction in politics: white people responding to the murder of three white children by a black youth are ‘rioters’, black people responding to the death of a black criminal are ‘mostly peaceful protestors’…
Owen missed a trick. The alleged knifeman was born in South Wales, so by statistical probability was quite likely to belong to the sect of Methodists.
Children, young girls were deliberately targeted and butchered by a disgusting, cowardly animal.
Three dead, and five or so more still critical, so that number may go up.
But these children are just props in the Britain hating theatre of degenerate Owen Jones!
If they’d just been raped and sodomised, I suppose it would have just been, “move on, nothing to see here”
Well, if islamofilth do get a sufficient sway (yes, yes, this particular animal may not have been, but there are far too many that are) they’ll be coming for bandits like Jones.
Philip
As I have said previously by statistical probability the knifeman was a Hutu – the bunch that slaughtered nearly a million of their countrymen. Maybe it’s cultural?
Our man in Ely has diagnosed the root cause of these riots – it was George osbourne and austerity
Mark, re sodomism, Owen Jones prays every day and night that he’ll be skewered by multiple big, black, cocks. I really do hope that his prayers are answered positively – in prison.
@philip
If the arrested rioters demand a crown court trial I expect to see some sporadic outbreaks of jury nullification.
With the indigenous population in London down to 35% and falling juries are becoming a problem. Crown Court trials will increasingly become a farce with automatic guilty verdicts for any one remotely white (or East Asian) and not guilty for the tinted tribals. Other cities will be going the same way.
@philip
If the arrested rioters demand a crown court trial I expect to see some sporadic outbreaks of jury nullification.
And then some “mostly peaceful protest” rioting by muslims…
And then…
One of the many exciting developments about our new multicultural society is the collapse in trust and the widespread devolution of the population into competing groups, such that it is probably impossible to get a fair trial in front of a jury for certain defendants in certain locations.
For instance, if I were to go rioting I don’t think I would do so in London, where the jury is likely to be composed of people who hate me and my views.
However, I think it unlikely that future many black or Asian rioters would be convicted in the same courts purely because the jury in any given case is likely to be composed of black and Asian jurors and they are increasingly likely to vote along racial lines.
Some people believe that this is all accidental, but I am convinced that it is all entirely according to the plan.
One piece of information I’ve not seen anywhere in the media is that Rwanda is a predominantly christian country – 92% of the population versus only 2% muslims. Doesn’t say anything about the specific individual of course, especially as he was born in the UK, but those are the odds about his background.
Personally I’d bet on sick little fucker who wanted the infamy, and if religion was involved it was only an excuse, not a cause.
https://www.brent.gov.uk/business/promote-your-business-in-brent/roundabout-sponsorship-and-lamppost-banners
https://www.baymedia.co.uk/lamppost-banners/birmingham/
https://www.localgov.co.uk/Smart-multi-purpose-lamp-post-pilots-launched/56347
https://www.great.gov.uk/international/trade/suppliers/11249234/hello-lamp-post-limited/?verbose=true
Amused me.
@Witchie
I would imagine his ringpiece is like stargate already, so it would have to be BIG (or multiple!)
@Andyf
“A large reason why there are riots is the weather. When it’s cold and wet UK protests soon fizzle out. On hot dryish nights it spreads to other cities.”
That is why Scotland rarely has riots PC rain is far more active there.
It’s alleged that he was expelled from school for carrying a knife
As per the great Boddicker:
The far-right rioted again last night.
Fuelled by racial hatred, misinformation, disinformation, and utterly inappropriate comments from Farage, hundreds rioted in London and Hartlepool.
It is important to note that the numbers are small.
It is as important to note that these actions are as clearly co-ordinated as was the rioting in Southport the day before.
What we are seeing is deliberate provocation, fuelled by racial hatred.
It was the cynical manipulation of that sentiment that led to Brexit, and all the divisions that flowed from it.
These sentiments mimic the racist attacks of Trump and others on Obama in the US, which sentiment is now being viciously turned on Kamala Harris by the spreading of total untruths. Trump’s aim there would appear to be to make racism acceptable.
And this is how fascism works. Undoubted, and even justified, grievances that people have are inflamed by the blaming of ‘others’, who are usually immigrants or people considered to be members of ethnic minorities, who are blamed for the perceived injustice. The solution then ceases to be the resolution of the injustice and turns into hatred of the ‘other’.
That works for those fomenting the hatred.
It is only too late that those used by the creators of fascist narratives to create the disruption in society realise that they are the actual ‘other’ those creating the fascist sentiment might actually dislike most of all, and for whom they can all easily become expendable, as Putin is proving.
What is the answer to this? I keep saying it is to root out the cause of the grievances in our society. We do have inequality. We have government failing to invest in regions. We have fear about climate change. And in areas where unemployment is a threat and wages are low of course there is economic vulnerability.
It is a falsehood to pretend these things cannot be addressed. They could be. But that would upset those who have become very comfortable after years of austerity. There is a significant class who have done very well from Osborne and all who have followed him, with it looking horribly like Reeves wants to join their number right now.
We cannot defeat the far-right without changing the economy we have, which delivers far too much reward to too few. The balance has to be reset. But will that happen? That’s the question, because it’s not the rioters who will really deliver fascism, even if that is what they want. It’s those who sit by in comfort and refuse to change anything so that those treated unfairly get a fair share who will really deliver fascism.
What will the comfortable classes do?
How did we get from three little girls being hideously killed at a Taylor Swift dance class to boozed-up, far-right thugs rioting on the streets of Southport?
Owen isn’t particularly bright, but it’s safe to say this question is purely rhetorical. He knows the exact cause of the riots. However, being that he is first and foremost a coward, those riots are a threat to his worldview. Hence the navel gazing (as opposed to actually grappling with the facts).
One piece of information I’ve not seen anywhere in the media is that Rwanda is a predominantly christian country – 92% of the population versus only 2% muslims. Doesn’t say anything about the specific individual of course, especially as he was born in the UK, but those are the odds about his background.
In ‘Merica, the rule of thumb is this: If the press withholds information regarding a suspect’s race, religious affiliation, etc., you can comfortably confirm your guess as to the suspect’s race, religious affiliation, etc.
I would suspect it’s much the same with “journalists” and “news outlets” in Wogistan.
“How did we get from finding hundreds of corpses covered with elephant footprints to suggesting that there’s an elephant in the room? I can’t personally see an elephant, because I’m not a pachydermist…”
I am left wing. But I hate the murderer of 3 young girls. He is evil and must be punished severely.
Well, the cat’s out of the bag now! But in a fit of pique at being forced to name Axel Rudakubana, the justice system have released his school pictures, not his arrest mugshot. Quite breathtakingly cynical of me to suppose that’s an attempt to drum up sympathy and deflect murderous thoughts in the populace, I suppose?
Julia:
To be fair, the BBC court sketch does reveal a rather dishevelled coal miner after a long shift.
Axel what? I can never pronounce those Welsh names
Boddicker:
Axles used to be made in Wales until quite recently, you racist!
Breathtakingly cynical front page of the Guardian, with school photos of the little black cherub right alongside that famously cropped photo of Stephen Lawrence on a story about him.
You know, the one carefully cropped so as not to show that he’s giving a Black Power salute…
Who is it who always says ‘You think you hate the MSM but trust me, you don’t hate them enough’? Whoever it is, they are right, aren’t they?
Pics here. As Julia has pointed out above, compare the photo they’ve released with the courtroom sketch:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/pictured-southport-suspect-17-named-as-axel-rudakubana/ar-BB1r1eyZ
And a mouse, born in a stable is really a horse.
JuliaM – yes, it wasn’t a little boy who stabbed all those people.
Weirdly enough, they never print Tommy Robinson’s school photos.
The problem with Jones is that he’s made a living out of insisting that George Floyd was killed on account of being black, and that his killer did it on account of the latter being a white man.
Okay. Then he shouldn’t be surprised if some people now follow his logic and insist that those little girls have been slaughtered in Southport on account of being white, and that their killer did it on account of the latter being a black man.
Well done, Jones.
Julia,
Just the latest in a long line of wilful deception which started with five or six year old photos of Trayvon Martin as an angelic young schoolboy as opposed to the hefty wannabe gangster he had grown into (shown by selfies on his social media accounts complete with a rather alarming gold “grill”).
Well if bodikker is correct we all should be afraid as the faaaaar right is clearly more widespread and organised than proclaimed by the hysterical MSM
Or it could be a spontaneously delivered indication of just how pissed off the general population is getting?
Starmer needs to get off his arse and show some leadership
Sacking Tinkerbell would be a start
Anyone want to compare and contrast the coverage with the riots around the shooting of Mark Duggan?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Mark_Duggan#Riots
‘according to David Lammy, Labour MP for Tottenham, the “cracks that already existed between the police and the community became deep fissures”‘
‘Claudia Webbe, the chairperson of Operation Trident, asserted that many black people see Duggan’s shooting as “yet another unjust death in custody”‘
Wouldn’t be fun to throw lego at the plod.
BBC: bricks were thrown during a far right riot.
Child detained after incident at dance class.
Is Starmer sneaking in a national police force? He’s announced a new “national capability” to deal with what he calls a “tiny mindless minority in our society”. There isn’t a “far right” terrorist movement in this country, but these twats seem intent on creating one.
Nobody is more surprised than me about the perp’s name. I was betting that it was Ahmad Kunt.
Good point, PJF. It sounds as though the disturbances outside the Prime Ministerial residence last night have caused the Prime Minister to realise that he needs his own, state police. Eine Staatspolizei, if you will.
But no details were announced, so it’s more of a geheime Staatspolizei.
It’s like when a horrific Islamic terrorist attack happened during Treeza May’s term of stinking up 10 Downing Street.
People wanted to hear their Prime Minister say she’d come down on Islamic terrorists like a ton of bricks. Instead, she made it clear the authorities would come down like a ton of bricks on any English people who complained too loudly about Islamic terrorists.
I assume New Labour will react to this senseless mass murder by jailing as many white Englishmen as they can catch.
If it sounds like the British government is an enemy of the people, it’s because they are. Our enemies are not in Moscow, comrades.
– If it sounds like the British government is an enemy of the people, it’s because they are. Our enemies are not in Moscow, comrades.
I don’t know why you do this; it’s just naive and opportunistic. The fact is, there has never been a time when Britain has faced a foreign foe that our own government hasn’t been an utter shower of bastards acting against our interests. It’s not just possible that we have enemies within as well as without – it is inevitable.
PJF – seems to me that Vlad Putin can’t do anything to hurt us short of WW3.
Our government is replacing us.
Sorry, I didn’t like it when I found out either.
“ A large reason why there are riots is the weather. When it’s cold and wet UK protests soon fizzle out. On hot dryish nights it spreads to other cities.”
That is why Scotland rarely has riots PC rain is far more active there.”
When Boris bought 3 water cannons he was told they were illegal, they’ve now been scrapped without being used. Apparently the human rights of rioters are more important than law and order.
BiND – yarp but that’s because they envisaged the water cannons being used against environmentalist loonies who block traffic, the NUS, and effnik rioters.
New New Labour will presumably order ED-209 to combat the Insidious Far Right Threat (some pissed off working class locals whose frustration with migrant crime and being “managed” happened to boil over in the immediate aftermath of a horrifying atrocity)
Maybe we will learn that Putin caused the protests.
But the loyal press and Sir Tiny Eyes will definitely try to flip the script from “why do migrant criminals and/or their children keep preying on our children?” to “Hitler is back, folx and here’s what civil liberties we’re going to take away from you in response.”
Bloke in North Dorset said:
“When Boris bought 3 water cannons he was told they were illegal, they’ve now been scrapped without being used.”
Apparently the Irish government borrowed some water cannon from Ulster to put down their own citzens’ protests against violent immigrants.
Given all the protests they used to make against us using such things against demonstrators, the irony was delicious.
@PJF
I don’t know why you do this
I’m only guessing, but I assume he does it because the very same people who tell us that Putin is our mortal enemy are telling us that the ‘far right’ – aka a few football hooligans and some brassy blondes in their 70s – are the greatest threat to our country.
It seems to me at least possible that Putin isn’t our friend but also isn’t really our enemy, any more than any other head of state is particularly, and it’s also not true that the ‘far right’ is the greatest threat to the country.
In other words, pretty much what you said only the other way round.
– seems to me that Vlad Putin can’t do anything to hurt us short of WW3.
Steve, according to you Joe Biden destroyed Nord Stream. It’s unlikely to be true, of course, but nevertheless the notion should assist your logic circuits in realising that hostile nations can hurt each other well short of annihilation.
– Maybe we will learn that Putin caused the protests.
Russian Meeja earnestly reported that “Ali Al-Shakati”, a boat migrant on an MI6 watch list, etc, was the Southport child murderer. As we know, but for reasons that remain unclear, certain sections of the western right are particularly susceptible to the output of Russian propaganda.
– In other words, pretty much what you said only the other way round.
The difference being, Interested, that I’m not constantly initialising inappropriate references in random threads that Moscow is our mortal enemy and slava Ukraini, etc.
Given the timing of the prisoner swap is of benefit to Biden and so likely to help Harris can we assume Putin would rather not have Trump back in the White House
Well, Starmer did get off his arse and do something.
We now have a special force devoted to flying around the country executing – sorry, arresting – white far hard right violent soon to be criminals to make sure they don’t interfere with the nice peaceful people who are mistakenly thought to be marching in their thousands calling for the extermination of Jews, when in fact hey are merely discussing some geographical rearrangement…
Little thought experiment. White ‘youth’ attacks Beyoncé dance class in Brixton, stabs and kills many little black girls. How do we think Owen would react?
Further thought. In the following days, large numbers of angry and concerned black parents gather in the streets and clash with police. What do we think Owen would be saying after that?
And what would Starmer be saying?
PJF – Steve, according to you Joe Biden destroyed Nord Stream. It’s unlikely to be true, of course, but nevertheless the notion should assist your logic circuits in realising that hostile nations can hurt each other well short of annihilation.
Yes, the US government ordered or signed off the bombing of NordStream. We can safely rule out the Russians bombing their own strategic pipelines, which they could have turned off at any time if they wanted to reduce their income from exports.
Russian Meeja earnestly reported that “Ali Al-Shakati”, a boat migrant on an MI6 watch list, etc, was the Southport child murderer. As we know, but for reasons that remain unclear, certain sections of the western right are particularly susceptible to the output of Russian propaganda.
RT and all other Russian media are blocked in the UK.
I’m not constantly initialising inappropriate references in random threads that Moscow is our mortal enemy and slava Ukraini, etc
It’s not really random when the British government, that’s replacing us via immigration policy, is saying our enemies are Russia and Tommy Robinson.
PJF
The difference being, Interested, that I’m not constantly initialising inappropriate references in random threads that Moscow is our mortal enemy and slava Ukraini, etc.
He doesn’t do it constantly, and as I said there’s a relevance here to the mention here (IMO).
Speaking generally, this blog is mostly about politics and economics and their nexus in governments pissing our money up walls, and there are few degrees of separation as to prohibit people pointing out that they are pissing our money up the wall in Ukraine, one of the most corrupt countries in the world, on a war which at best is no real business of ours, and at worst could spill out into a general war which very much is our business but which we are singularly unequipped to fight.
Yes, Putin is scum. Yes, Russia is also deeply corrupt. But so what? It’s a vast country with enormous natural resources, and we would be better keeping onside with them than not – just as we keep onside with many deeply corrupt and warmongering countries run by plutocratic loons.
The CIA wouldn’t like it, but fuck the CIA.
Pretty much everyone knows the Yanks blew up Nordstream. They even said they were going to do it. Seymour Hersh is worth a look:
https://archive.is/bnR4e
@PJF (assuming you’re still reading)
As an aside, I’d say I generally agree with what you post on here – I agree with most of what most people post here – but your rankles with Steve re Russia and Ukraine interest me because they mirror a lot of what I see in the genpop.
I can see why Steve and others are sort of pro Russia in the war – there’s a lot of history suggesting Russia has at least some casus belli, from ancient to 1991 to 2014 and beyond, and he has the same instinctive mistrust of our own government as I and I assume you do. Basically, people we know to be utter liars and charlatans are telling us we’re going to pay for this thing, and possibly conscript our children into it, and we have no say in it despite our supposed ‘democracy’, and if we don’t like it we can just fuck off because we’re evil. That I will not accept.
What I don’t understand is the vehemently pro Ukraine sentiment. Where were all the people with Ukraine flags in their bios and indeed in their gardens (loads of them round my way, though they’re slowly disappearing) with every other bullshit war fought for dodgy reasons?
I please guilty to past foolish inattention myself – I was a vehement supporter of the Iraq war, because I didn’t believe the government could or would lie about something so massive. I won’t be making that mistake again.
What is it about Ukraine that has captured the attention spans of so many?
Interested.
You’d have to ask the CEO’s of Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, General Dynamics and BAE along with procurement officials from the US military and the state department for an answer.
On a similar note you can’t just abandon $80bn of weaponry and associated equipment in the desert and expect it to replace itself although you may. find much of it showing up in the most unlikely* of conflicts.
* or from another perspective in the most bleeding obvious and inevitable places.
In the absence of credible information, misinformation will spread.
Not saying things or demonstrably spinning the story do not provide credible information.
The silence, “Welsh born british national”, and school photos, are all not credible – and thus likely to lead to misinformation spreading.
How do I join one of the peaceful protest marches?
You can’t, Swannypol, because there won’t be any peaceful ones – the cops and media will see to that. They’ve bent the knee to TwoTierKier, and all his bannermen are sworn to march for him and for him only.
Mark my words, if the next protest march consists of Quakers and Buddhists who sit down in Downing Street and sing kumbaya and we will overcome, it’ll still be a ‘far right march which descends into chaos’ situation.
Incidentally the oldest he could possibly be in the photo is 15, I suspect a bit younger though.
@John
Interested.
You’d have to ask the CEO’s of Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, General Dynamics and BAE along with procurement officials from the US military and the state department for an answer.
Indeed – it was a rhetorical question! Oddly the same people own the media, and the government.
By the way, that Afghan weaponry is mostly currently turning up with the Pakistani Taliban, courtesy of the OG Taliban. Pakistan is in danger of a full-on insurgency, which will doubtless create opportunities for more arms sales.
Coincidences all round!