a plurality fear that it might incentivise doctors to encourage patients to take their lives to ease pressures on the NHS.
How could anyone think that? After all, we’ve only had a few cases of people doing it without even asking…..
a plurality fear that it might incentivise doctors to encourage patients to take their lives to ease pressures on the NHS.
How could anyone think that? After all, we’ve only had a few cases of people doing it without even asking…..
Has anyone been paying attention to the Scottish Covid inquiry, unlike the English version, not a whitewash:
https://x.com/TheRustler83/status/1824813720582647907
@ljh
Yes, I have – a bit. Quite surprising actually.
“To get a repeat prescription, press 1. To get a covid test, press 2. To ask about test results, press 3. To ask about the best way of doing yourself in, press 4. “
Macabre as it may seem, “die, so you won’t be a burden on the NHS” is a position I can imagine our political culture at least implicitly endorsing
My ambition is to become an enormous burden on the NHS. Time those fuckers started paying me back.
It bears repeating that Canada – the world’s most permissive assisted suicide regime – went from restrictive law to “death on demand” with few barriers in six to eight years. Even in Oregon, a state often cited as a “best-case scenario” by campaigners keen to deflect attention from Canada, patients have been granted deaths for conditions including diabetes, arthritis and anorexia. The slippery slope is visible everywhere that has adopted some form of euthanasia.
Do Western governments have anything left to offer their subjects except poverty, prison and death – all accompanied by persistent, pervasive lying?
Ultimately, this is a complex and fraught moral debate, with compelling arguments on both sides
No it isn’t, you shall not kill.
No doubt many parliamentarians would back the legislation with the best of intentions
MPs want you broken, raped and dead, but no doubt they have the best of intentions.
Some may seek easy “progressive” wins to assure their place in the history books (as, for instance, the legalisation of abortion did for David Steel).
Apparently David Steel is still alive, but he’s 86 so here’s hoping for a hard winter.
On the plus side it would allow those in pain that have to die a painful and lingering death a decent way out. Better than what happens now.
Doctors are already making decisions to better their bottom line. Kicking people off their books because they are costing too much. How unreasonable is it to think they wouldn’t talk some old people into signing the right forms for their own good. Perhaps even lying to them about test results and a painful future unless you sign here.
Old people get talking into things all the time. Sign here, I’ll look after you. Strangers even manage it so why is it unexpected that a trusted person like a doctor or a impatient inheritor won’t.
A few years ago this wouldn’t have crossed my mind but now.
With our “wonderful NHS” there is no other way to get the waiting lists down. Doubtless The Management will find a survey that proves that assisted dying using a HK MP5 is the most painless and effective method…
Oh, euthanasia by the NHS? I was hoping for euthanasia of the NHS.
CHANGING MINDSETS: CONFRONTING WHITE PRIVILEGE IN THE NHS
White privilege doesn’t mean your life isn’t hard, it just means that it hasn’t been made harder based on the colour of your skin. Racism exists in the NHS, as in wider society. Change will need to be led from the top.
At our annual conference and exhibition 2020 we held a panel discussion exploring how trust leaders are challenging themselves and their organisations to identify and tackle race inequality, reflecting on the real harm it causes to staff and patients, and identifying the steps needed to make the NHS anti-racist.
Hmm, I wonder who the NHS will decide to kill first.
Not to be too pedantic, but when did the word “incent” morph into “incentivize”? You incent people with an incentive, you sedate them with a sedative, you don’t sedativize them. I’m waiting for it to grow into incentivizify.
White privilege doesn’t mean your life isn’t hard, it just means that it hasn’t been made harder based on the colour of your skin.
How is this additional life difficulty measured? Is there a control group that demonstrates that the colour of your skin is the primary effect between your life being hard and harder? Does it account for family structure (lack of father figure), increased mental health issues, being fuck lazy, etc?
Or is it a load of bollocks?
Oddly enough, the incentive for the NHS itself is to keep patients with long-term illnesses alive. That way the waiting lists get longer and the NHS gets more money. If the NHS ever reduced waiting lists, e.g., by offering the option of suicide, its funding would be cut. So, it wouldn’t.
As with everything the state runs, the incentive is always to be as inefficient and unsuccessful as possible. It’s the only way to get more income.
It’s actually the Treasury which would be pushing suicide, as a means of reducing NHS funding and retaining more of its income for its other projects.
@Esteban. “Incent” is a back formation. Nor has it the decent patina of traditional use, not having ben recorded until 1844. Bloody neologism!
On t’other hand it is shorter. That probably means it won’t last long in the US.
Given the comments here about the NHS, I expect a long queue to develop for assisted suicide, with most dying naturally before being assisted. Just like most other government programs.
@PiP
The word certainly doesn’t have a long history. And I can’t honestly say I’ve seen it used in the context. Incentivize would seem just as appropriate. Although I’m not sure of the ‘z’ for a Brit/English spelling. Since in similar words it uses ‘s’ & pronounces as ‘s’. Interestingly, this Firefox spellchecker doesn’t recognise either. But it doesn’t recognise ‘incent’ either. There’s certainly an application for the verb.
To declare an interest: I’m very much not of the dearieme school of English. To me, Brits don’t own it. I would guess the geographical centre of the English speaking world is a tad east of the Rockies, not on a small island off the coast of France. And English has always been a work in progress. One of the reasons it’s the worlds lingua franca. It belongs to whoever is speaking it.* We certainly don’t need to go the French route & try to freeze the language to some point in the late C19th. Look what happened to French.
And to add, WTF do we capitalise English? We’re not f__kin’ germans.
*It’s something I’ve said to the people I’ve taught English to. “It’s your English. You now own it. You don’t need to learn to read & write if you don’t want to. Half the English can’t do that properly. If you can communicate in a way the hearer understands, you’ve achieved your purpose.”
“I would guess the geographical centre of the English speaking world is a tad east of the Rockies, not on a small island off the coast of France”
Depends how you view the huge numbers who can/do speak English sur le Continong and in the subcontinent.
Anyway, you misunderstand. I have no objection to Americans or Singaporeans, or Kiwis, etc, speaking their own style of English. But I do get wearied of British people twattishly copying American English. It’s bad enough in teenagers but it makes people in their forties or fifties sound like buffoons.
Joe – How is this additional life difficulty measured?
Simples – you just have to accept brown people’s word for it or you’re an evil racist.
Like all those Diversity hires who pretend they had to be twice as good as a white male candidate, when in fact, they’re useless twats who wouldn’t have gotten hired if their name was Kevin.
Is there a control group that demonstrates that the colour of your skin is the primary effect between your life being hard and harder? Does it account for family structure (lack of father figure), increased mental health issues, being fuck lazy, etc?
Whites have a lower life expectancy *in Britain* than Asian, Bangladeshi, Black African, Black Carribbean, Black Other, Indian and Pakistani, according to the racists at the ONS.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/articles/ethnicdifferencesinlifeexpectancyandmortalityfromselectedcausesinenglandandwales/2011to2014
This goes to show what a disgusting, white supremacist society we live in.
-ise if the root of the word is from Latin (which, in its classical form, had no ‘Z’), -ize if it’s from the Greek (which does: ζ).
Sorta. -ize was the older English usage, therefore became US. -ise newer English. When I was at school I used to use -ize just to, well, just to. Then I went to the US for a couple of years and switched preference to -ise. Which tells you much about my character then.
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There’s also this thing about Oxford spelling but who cares about them?
Sometimes I like to use “connexion”, because that’s how Jane Austen spelled it.
But I do get wearied of British people twattishly copying American English. It’s bad enough in teenagers but it makes people in their forties or fifties sound like buffoons.
This isn’t the C19th. The information space is global. And with English being a global language, which regional version a person uses is very much up to them. No version can be regarded as correct. Since there are far more American English speakers accessing the English language information space, the vote would be the twattishness was yours.
Personally, I can’t see the problem.* I often communicate with other English people in Spanish. Should we only use English?
*Although I did experience one recently. The date convention. Europeans use the same convention as Brits – 25/12/24. Yanks use 12/25/24. Since I’m communicating with both I use both. Unfortunately I was sent an appointment date of 7/10/24 & missed it because I assumed it was in October
Jeez. I even confused myself with that. The appointment was here so they sent 10/7/24.
Ah, that’s a lot more fun – you were both second guessing each other!
Sometimes I like to use “connexion”, because that’s how Jane Austen spelled it.
Steve, that’s because Jane knew her Latin:
nectō, nectere, nexī, nexum