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Including UNRWA would have produced a fairly unanimous winner.
Is the WEF anything more than a conspiracy theory? Yeah, OK. It’s a gathering of the world’s presumed movers & shakers. But does anything actually come out of it? Every single individual attending will looking after their own interests & are experts at doing so. How they got to be attending the WEF. Yeah, sure, those interests will align. But they’d align anyway. You don’t think they’d be doing deals without the WEF? My suspicion is they’ll be coming to the WEF with those deals already made.
As far as I can see it’s just a big jolly & a bit of a talking shop. Some statements come out of it & then attendees go back to doing what they always do. Looking after their own interests. Which will probably in conflict with half of the stuff they’ve been publicly agreeing with.
The alphabet agencies on the list concern me much more. As institutions they have interests about their own continued existence. Separate from the interests of the individuals that comprise them. And of course, you always have the power games amongst those individuals for control of the institutions.
This week, I am mostly anti “British” police.
BiS:
Don’t forget the attraction of getting to deduct the trip as a business expense. After all, it’s an official get together, so the accountants get to put things in neat boxes.
It’s nice when you’re scr*wing the taxpayers and you’re getting them also to pay for some portion of your meals, coke and wh*res while you’re at it.
What BiS said. The WEF conspiracy theory is tedious – it’s a social club for billionaires – and the notion of a “Great Re-set” is barking.
I don’t think the idea of a Great Re-set is barking, Theo. When sufficient interests align with sufficient power behind them, anything can happen. It’s the idea this is being done at the WEF is barking. Last place it would happen.
BiS
When sufficient interests align with sufficient power behind them, anything can happen.
True, probably. However, whatever then happens will not happen as a secret conspiracy but will be more or less explicit – not least because it’s hard to keep anything controversial secret in a world with the internet and smartphones. The misanthropic greenies favour a Great Re-set, but they make no secret of this. An informal alliance of anti-racists, business lobbies and globalist bureaucrats favours mass immigration, but they make no secret of it. Indeed, Peter Sutherland, the Irish EU Commissioner who later was UN Special Representative for International Migration from 2006-2017, never made any secret of his cock-eyed belief that Western states should accept unrestricted migration and become multicultural and multiracial. So the notion that a secret cabal is secretly planning a Great Re-set is barking.
ECHR
The WEF is corrosive because of group think.
Stupid politicians go to it and have their brains filled with nonsense like Open Borders, the Climate Emergency, Global Pandemics causing millions to die and The Great Reset.
In the absence of any original thoughts in the politicians heads, this then forms the basis of their policy direction.
A better target would be the DEI industry in the UK but which head of the hydra?
How about anti-Reform Party. The Reform Party are enemies of the British people. Reform are a bunch of Thatcherite yuppies with a new lick of paint to cover the rust.
The Reform Party are enemies of the British people
The biggest enemies of the British people right now are Starmer and the police.
@Theophrastus
What BiS said. The WEF conspiracy theory is tedious – it’s a social club for billionaires
I ticked WHO, but in respect of the WEF is it your contention that billionaires are powerless, and that they don’t talk amongst themselves about how to reorder the world so as to suit them and their aims?
Do you really there is no discussion among the powerful as to how to promote and push – say – the climate change bullshit?
Do they not discuss this stuff at the WEF (and elsewhere)?
Is ‘Agenda 2030’ meaningless in that regard, or have British politicians actually destroyed functioning coal-fired power stations, introduced 20mph speed limits, spent billions on useless ‘green energy’ and ‘Net Zero’ insanity?
English law defines ‘conspiracy’ as ‘An agreement between two or more persons to commit an offence, or which necessarily involves committing an offence, or which falls within the ambit of “conspiracy to defraud” or “conspiracy to corrupt public morals/outrage public decency”.’
There is no doubt that there is a vast conspiracy ongoing to defraud the taxpayers of the world, never mind the UK, and that it is discussed at the WEF and elsewhere. Perhaps we should just call it ‘discussions’ though.
– and the notion of a “Great Re-set” is barking.
If people in positions of great power with great wealth and great influence keep telling you there’s going to be a thing which they call a ‘Great Reset’, and that it will involve poors like you
– not flying or driving
– not owning anything
– being stopped from eating meat and switched instead to an insect diet
– being forced to take medical interventions under pain of losing your job
– and being under constant surveillance
and
– flying is getting ever more expensive, and cars are being phased out via taxation, speed limits, insurance costs and legislation
– you no longer buy software, and many have things like their phones and cars on leases, and home ownership is increasingly beyond young people and home value taxation into the thousands of pounds annually is being suggested as a replacement for the council tax
– they actually do keep on pushing fake meat and insects while culling vast numbers of chickens, pigs and cows and sheep
– you’ve just been through Covid and are being bombarded daily with bird flu propaganda and chat about other novel diseases for which the ‘cure’ is mandatory vaccination
– and there are cameras and facial recognition everywhere and people are being arrested for pointing out obvious facts about the Religion of Peace online
then what is actually ‘barking’ is pretending it’s not happening and they don’t mean it.
None of this means the WEF is the greatest threat to our lives, nor that it’s unstoppable, but it’s a serious forum for powerful psychopaths.
Reform are a bunch of Thatcherite yuppies
Not nearly enough for my liking.
Re: conspiracies and the WEF. Let’s not get bogged down in semantics. Does a conspiracy have to be secret? Is the conspiracy merely groupthink? Who cares? The effect is the same either way.
Look at the ‘riots’. Isolated protests and violence sparked by an (apparently motiveless) atrocity are declared part of a far right plot orchestrated by
Emmanuel GoldsteinTommy Robinson. Then we are told 100 of these riots are planned. Plod doesn’t know the name or location of any ofGoldstein’sRobinson’s co-conspiritors, but he does know exactly where and when the ‘riots’ will take place and shares this withfavoured Muslim and hard leftcommunity groups. Who spontaneously rock up en masse with the same banners and chants.The MSM also happens to be in the right places and reports that fascism is defeated and refugees are welcome. The people have spoken, innit bruv?
@Marius
Re: conspiracies and the WEF. Let’s not get bogged down in semantics. Does a conspiracy have to be secret? Is the conspiracy merely groupthink? Who cares? The effect is the same either way.
Exactly – and that’s why I said ‘Perhaps we should just call it ‘discussions’ though.’
I used to be very sceptical about ‘conspiracy theories’, because I bought into the idea that they had to describe a plan that was thought out to the nth degree.
The first bit to dispense with is the word ‘theories’.
It’s not a ‘theory’ that powerful people meet behind closed doors to discuss the way things will be done in a given area, it’s a well-known fact.
There are powerful people, they do meet up, one of the places they meet up is the WEF, they do discuss how the world should be run, and they don’t let the rest of us listen in.
Is that conspiring?
Who cares?
Do they involve everyone?
No – no more than the average squaddie knew anything about the plans for D Day. It’s not necessary to give the grunts the full picture, you just create the conditions where it’s impossible for them not to blow up the power station, or bring in Covid passports, or not mutilate children.
The media is obviously (and literally) bought and paid for, and most people are sheep. It’s not even hard.
Interested
Why would billionaires want to to promote the climate change agenda or defraud taxpayers globally? Why would either of those things be in their interests?
Many of the things you mention are happening or could happen, yet it’s not billionaires promoting them but politicians, NGOs, national and global bureaucracies, etc.
If I don’t understand the precise mechanics of how evil is done, I just assume demons did it.
Saves time.
Every lazy bone in my body agrees with you Steve.
@Theophrastus
Interested
Why would billionaires want to to promote the climate change agenda or defraud taxpayers globally? Why would either of those things be in their interests?
You’d have to ask them, but there’s no doubt they’re doing it – Bezos, Gates, Soros, Turner, the Googlistas, Zuckerberg, the Hewlett Packard lot and many others basically push it relentlessly.
Why? I dunno.
Maybe they’re anti human and always were, and are now using their cash to push their agenda. What would Malthus have done if he’d been the richest man in the world with the ears of more or less all-powerful governments?
Maybe it’s all a pose and they see which way the wind is blowing. Maybe it’s something else.
But these are distinctions without a difference, as to the effects.
Many of the things you mention are happening or could happen, yet it’s not billionaires promoting them but politicians, NGOs, national and global bureaucracies, etc.
As above, billionaires are promoting these things, but sure, you’re right, they’re by no means alone.
That said, you were the one who introduced ‘billionaires’ when you said ‘The WEF conspiracy theory is tedious – it’s a social club for billionaires – and the notion of a “Great Re-set” is barking.’
I don’t for a moment contend that Bill Gates can do this stuff on his own, or in league with other wealthy scumbags. I just say that they are a part of it, and the other actors include the people you describe, along with most celebrities, and almost all of the media.
I’m sure they have varying motivations, but I’m equally sure that it’s not organic and it’s being driven by discussions had at the WEF and elsewhere.
Interested, dispensing with the word “theories” has not stopped you being a textbook example of a conspiracy theorist.
Can you be more specific, Chris? Which parts of what I haver written are untrue?
Interested
So you have no explanation as to why billionaires of the WEF tend to support the climate change agenda and no evidence to support your claim that they want to defraud taxpayers globally.
Belief in anthropogenic climate change is an elite fad; but the capture of the elites was by environmentalist NGOs, not by governments or the mega-rich.
So you are a conspiracy theorist.
Theo
If you can take the cock of the Tory party out of your mouth for a couple of minutes perhaps you can explain to me what I’ve said that is untrue?
Interested
…perhaps you can explain to me what I’ve said that is untrue?
Yes. It is false that there is a Great Re-set. You list various disparate social phenomena and join them up into a conspiracy – for which you have no evidence and cannot provide a motive. Moreover, following Occam’s Razor, the social phenomena you list are most economically explained as cock-ups or fads or group-think or decadence or substitutes for religion or the result of ‘educating’ too many people beyond the level of their intelligence…etc, etc.
Hmm..
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/
There are many such examples, if one has any interest in looking. The link above is by the good chap that controls the agenda for all those “powerful” people that trot along to their annual WEF session…
And one doesn’t need to understand motive to evidence something witnessed. A man hits a woman. You see it with your own eyes. It would be interesting, but you don’t need to know why to know that it happened. And hence one wouldn’t cast doubt on an event purely on the basis that motive cannot (yet) be fully ascribed.
Money and/or power usually explains much in this world.
(btw, I have no idea if Interested ever said “There IS a Great Re-set” (works great with a Schwab accent!) versus there clearly being attempts by powerful/rich people to change the direction in which the masses on this planet live their lives (as we have seen with Covid and are seeing with Climate), the second of which is self evidently true for those paying attention.)
Me: …perhaps you can explain to me what I’ve said that is untrue?
@Theo
Yes. It is false that there is a Great Re-set.
This is your assertion. Lots of very wealthy and powerful people are telling you there is one, but you know better.
(Funnily enough, you are the most consistent Tory Party advocate on here and this is precisely what a Tory Party spokesman would say. And a Labour Party spokesman. And the spokesmen for every other political party with any hope of every gaining any real power.)
You list various disparate social phenomena and join them up into a conspiracy – for which you have no evidence
There is abundant evidence – they meet in places like Davos, and then they fly home and all say things like the age of the automobile and cheap flights is over, and then they gleefully blow up working power stations.
and cannot provide a motive.
I can’t provide a motive, no.
So what? I didn’t say I could, and the inability to explain why someone is doing something is utterly irrelevant as to the question of whether they’re doing it.
There are people in jail right now for criminal conspiracies where no-one was able to adduce evidence proving a motive. It makes no difference.
Moreover, following Occam’s Razor,
Who gives a fuck about Occam’s Razor? It’s a general explanatory theory, not immutable physical law.
the social phenomena you list are most economically explained as cock-ups or fads or group-think or decadence or substitutes for religion or the result of ‘educating’ too many people beyond the level of their intelligence…etc, etc.
This goes to motive. When the lights start going out it won’t matter why Nicola Sturgeon* and Alok Sharma blew up perfectly functioning power stations, or why we shut down Ratcliffe-on-Soar as we are to do later this year.
What will matter is that they decided to do it, and they were very clearly influenced to do so by people who meet at the WEF and elsewhere (I repeat, I didn’t start the mention of ‘billionaires’)…
…unless you subscribe to Coincidence Theory, where every fucking government in the western world all decided to undertake the most ruinous and lunatic policy direction ever conceived – directions, plural, actually, because they are all in mysterious lockstep on just about everything, purely by coincidence.
I expect you will reply to the effect that ‘no, they’re just all stupid’, but there is no law saying that stupid people can’t achieve great power and conspire to do stupid things. In fact, that is precisely what you’d expect them to do.
I am well aware that if we could shut down the WEF it would make no difference… that is the entire fucking point.
* https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/12/scotland-last-power-plant-renewable-energy/
@PF
(btw, I have no idea if Interested ever said “There IS a Great Re-set” (works great with a Schwab accent!) versus there clearly being attempts by powerful/rich people to change the direction in which the masses on this planet live their lives (as we have seen with Covid and are seeing with Climate), the second of which is self evidently true for those paying attention.)
My position is basically that there are hugely wealthy and very powerful people who keep meeting up at various conferences and then issuing statements saying (as per your link above) that there is going to be a Great Reset.
So I think we should take them at their word – especially when everything our governments do is a) objectively ruinous and b) moves in the direction of this ‘Great Reset’.
That said, I think the use of the term ‘Great Reset’ is itself problematic, because it obscures the truth, as you articulate, that there is just lots of ‘stuff’ happening which could broadly be placed under that umbrella term.
But the use of the term itself, even though it’s being used by the likes of Schwab, invites scepticism. It sounds too broad, too all-encompassing, too novelistic. It’s too easy to mock it, and switch channels to Strictly, which I think is about where 90% of the population are at.
(In my more literally conspiratorial moments, I wonder whether Schwab has been chosen to be the face of it, whatever ‘it’ is, precisely because he looks – in his weird robes – and sounds like a Central Casting Bond villain, and thus seems too ridiculous to be sinister. His public image distracts from the fact of what is happening, like a conjuror directing you to his right hand while his left unstraps your watch.)
PF
Klaus Schwab is an 86 year old eccentric who wants to spread his rather authoritarian version of German social democracy across the globe. Even within the WEF, he has been sidelined. And his Great Re-set is a great re-set of capitalism. I don’t see any evidence there to support Interested’s claim that there’s a conspiracy by the mega-rich to ensure ordinary folk:
-not flying or driving
– not owning anything
– being stopped from eating meat and switched instead to an insect diet
– being forced to take medical interventions under pain of losing your job
– and being under constant surveillance
As to motive, ‘man hits woman’ is not a brute fact. It requires interpretation. Was the man acting in self-defence? Was the blow unintentional? Was the man patting the woman’s back or swatting a fly? Etc…All human perception involves interpretation (or is theory-dependent, in the jargon). So in ‘man hits woman’ and ‘the mega-rich are conspiring to do x’, motive (ie the reason for a conscious intention) has to be part of the interpretation.
If you can take the cock of the Tory party out of your mouth
Oh come now, if the Tory Party has anything, it has a vagina. Most likely however, is has some sort of smooth, faint, non-binary bulge.
There was discussion of motivation. Easy. I imagine aliens looking a mediaeval Europe would wonder why so much effort was being expended on fleecing the peasantry in order to build vast cathedrals. The answer is religion, which induced people to be irrational. The wealthy and powerful indulged the irrational at the expense of everyone else because it entrenched their power (eg divine right) and enabled them to skim a fair bit off the top too. Sweet. You get a big fuck off castle AND the warm glow of salvation.
Today, Net Zero is the religion (not climate change/sustainability/Gaia per se) of the wealthy and powerful. Christianity worked a treat for the powerful, as it told the poor to stop grumbling and focus on eternity. Similarly, Net Zero allows the rich & powerful to boost their wealth & power at our expense, while dangling in front of us the hell of a burning earth and the heaven of a green future for our descendants. “You can’t have cheap reliable power, selfish proles, otherwise the earth will burn!”
Of course, like the pious aristocracy of the past, they are all fucking hypocrites, flying around in private jets and owning five homes. You might ask, both of the mediaeval aristos and the modern ‘elites’, if they really believe. Doesn’t matter a jot. Very few will admit to heretical beliefs and anyway who cares if your net worth is still rocketing? Buy more offsets/indulgences.
I have a problem with the American Republican Party of now.
JD Vance said that people with no biological children have no stake in society. Well Jesus did not seem to have any kids.
That us an odd claim for a party that want the religious vote.
And on the hand loads of dictators, serial killers, and rapists have had children. So having children does not automatically make someone good.
Interested
Lots of very wealthy and powerful people are telling you there is one
What they mean by a great re-set is quite different to what you mean. Sure, they are Anthropogenic CC obsessives; but they are going with the flow that originated with environmental lobbyists, who then captured academia, (inter)national bureaucracies and politicians. The mega-rich aren’t the prime movers in the climate change neurosis: they are following sentiment and potential profit…
There is abundant evidence – they meet in places like Davos, and then they fly home and all say things like the age of the automobile and cheap flights is over, and then they gleefully blow up working power stations.
Your use of ‘they’ commits the fallacy of equivocation and as such is a classic sign of a conspiracy theorist. “Abundant evidence” of what? That WEF is a virtue-signalling social club? No billionaires “gleefully blow up working power stations”. (Motoring is still cheap; and the cost of the flights for my annual month in Greece is cheaper in real terms than in 2019. Duh!)
the inability to explain why someone is doing something is utterly irrelevant as to the question of whether they’re doing it.
Not true! Whether ‘x is doing F’ is the case is an interpretation, and motive (ie the reason for a conscious intention) has to be part of the interpretation, even if only conjecturally. Similarly, the police generally require opportunity, method and motive when charging a suspect. Yes, one can be charged with conspiracy without a motive but one cannot be be charged with conspiracy without an objective intention (ie a plan). And you have not even established that the WEF has a coherent intention, let alone a motive for what you believe it is doing. (Virtue-signalling is not evidence of an intention, by the way.)
When the lights start going out it won’t matter why Nicola Sturgeon* and Alok Sharma blew up perfectly functioning power stations…
Actually, it will matter. People will want explanations. Meanwhile, you provide your own half-baked explanation – a conspiracy by ‘them’, the WEF – but when challenged you shift your ground to saying explanations are irrelevant!
…every fucking government in the western world all decided to undertake the most ruinous and lunatic policy direction ever conceived…
You don’t need a conspiracy theory to explain even gargantuan and systemic folly. There are simpler and more plausible explanations – eg to repeat, cock-ups or fads or group-think or decadence or substitutes for religion or the result of ‘educating’ too many people beyond the level of their intelligence…etc, etc.
Who gives a fuck about Occam’s Razor? It’s a general explanatory theory, not immutable physical law.
Of course Occam’s Razor is not a “physical law”, though it is also known as the Law of Parsimony. Rather, it is a criterion of rationality: the simplest explanation of x is (ceteris paribus) the true and rational explanation. This is a feature of the known universe.
JDVAJ
I’d argue that children are a good, not that they make people good. Since without them your line is eliminated from the earth. One assumes that Vance is simply concerned that Republican voters are not reproducing themselves to match the millions of Democrats that Kamala has imported.
Marius, Theo and Int
I’d just call net zero the current fashion. Though one could argue that it’s evolving into a religion. But just like The Ice Age is Coming, Global Warming oooops Climate Change is now the fad of the woke that they’re determined to cram down our throats. I’ve no doubt that when the fashions change in 30 or 40 years, the waste and suffering will be deemed to be all our fault. And definitely not theirs.
I would also be against Trump.
Maybe Trump never thinks he has lost an election fairley, because he was spoiled as a youngster. When he loses he decides it was fixed.
Now he is entitled and thinks he should never taste defeat. And he seems to think that nobody can be against him without being insane.
And he seems to think that nobody can be against him without being insane.
Hillary Killary, Brandon & now the Blow Job Girl.
He may have something there.