A justice minister has opened the door to thieves, shoplifters and other common criminals being spared short jail sentences.
Sir Nic Dakin said short prison terms were more likely to result in making offenders “better criminals” rather than rehabilitating them and turning them into “better citizens”.
It is the strongest indication yet that Labour’s forthcoming sentencing review – due to be announced next month – could pave the way for scrapping many short jail terms.
Note that the word “punishment” doesn’t even get a look in. We are blessed, of course we are.
The review is expected to be headed by former Tory justice secretary David Gauke
Uniparty view of course.
Gauke?! What experience does he have with criminals?
Oh, wait. Wasn’t he in charge of HMRC once?
Got to find some way to make room for all the Terrorists misgendering blokes in a frock and writing HurtyWords on the Internet, after all…
But I think it’s a good idea.
By all means give the dregs of criminality a free run at things. It’ll be a nice eye-opener and will indeed result in less “professionalism” in their kind of …trade…
Until people are sick and tired of it, of course… Then there will be a short, sharp reminder of why we have sentencing instead of vigilantes.
Provided the balls of the average brit haven’t dried up like raisins, if they dropped at all, and they still remember the art of percussive disencouragement, of course…
Julia
Gauke was Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor from 2018 to 2019, and is a slimeball. So perfectly qualified.
In other news, not paying the TV licence fee could be decriminalised because 70% of those convicted are…women.
not paying the TV licence fee could be decriminalised because 70% of those convicted are…women.
Women are more likely to speak to the bastards instead of shutting the door in their face. That said, if this results in it being decriminalised, that’s a good thing. You don’t get criminal penalties for not subscribing to Netflix or Sky. They don’t send the boys round if you don’t pay or respond to their letters.
Grikath, the Brits, like everyone else, will never resist, revolt, or rebel. You can do almost anything to all societies before the pips start to squeak. Bloody hell, you can do, among other things, 70 years of communism to Russians, 40 years of Apartheid to black South Africans. North Korea isn’t North Korea because Koreans are quiet and compliant, it’s because they are humans and humans care first and foremost about not getting shot for saying the wrong thing out loud. All you need to do is lock up the few people who dare dissent publicly and when it ends that’s also largely an elite, not grassroots project.
The notion of popular sovereignty is dead.
If short prison sentences make them better criminals then the solution is longer prison sentences.
Well, one solution at least. 🙂
Whatever happened to the Stocks.
A clear demonstration of societies disapproval of their actions would discourage them more than a fortnight in one of his majesties hotels.
Good for fruit and veg sales too. Maybe what’s left of the Greengrocers Association should form a lobby group!
I also misread it as O Tempura.
Battering and deep frying the scrotes seems harsh but would be 100% effective in preventing repeat offences!
I was thinking of flogging them Swannypol. But the stocks sounds like a good idea.
When they’re released, their first dose of forced labour could be to clean up the junk that was tossed at them.
@Swannypol & Boganboy
Do you favour the leg clamp stocks or the neck & hands version? I’m sure there’s considerable to debate on the matter.
Lebanese criminals can now be identified, because they have missing fingers.
Perhaps we should booby trap a few items on the shelves in similar fashion.
Word would soon go round.
Try both and see what works the best, BiS??
OT but loosely related to criminals.
I see His Royal Highness Jug Ears has chosen his words less than wisely.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2024/09/28/king-hails-uniquely-special-scotland/
Isn’t “uniquely special” how we’re supposed to refer to the kids on the short bus?
Philip’s comment just made me chuckle as I recalled my one & only successful London domestic break in. The rather complicated & expensive stack of hi-fi on the shelves had a mass of cables & leads behind it & drew its power from a socket concealed below the lower shelf. Intertwined with those cables was a couple of bare copper wires connected to live. When I returned to find the front door jemmied, the components of the hi-fi were hanging from their cables & the coffee table in the middle of the room was smashed. But nothing had actually been taken. So we can presume chummy scored the jack pot.
There’s similar precautions been taken in my flat here.
Back in the day, Aralditeing razor blades to the back edge of car radios was preferred. The resultant mess was best cleared up with a solution of ammonia & warm water. Never use hot or it leaves hard to remove stains in carpets.
Bis – as he celebrated the “enduring relationship” between its parliament, its people and the crown…
That’s funny, I was talking to some Scottish people yesterday and they think the Edinburgh parliament should be burnt down, with King Fuckface and all the pedo politician inside it.
I’m not sure Clown World is as popular as Clown World tells you it is.
PS – the only we we got to civilisation in the first place was by executing all the violent crims, every generation.
There’s literally no downside to simply killing all our antisocial criminals publicly and rapidly. The more of them you hang, the better the future gets.
As Pope Sixtus V said: “While I live every criminal must die.”. We could start with the Cabinet and work our way down from there.
I’m in favour of a short prison sentence, but that they come with no criminal record. So:-
1. you nick some stuff, you get a caution
2. you nick some stuff, you get community service
3. you nick some stuff you go to jail for a fortnight.
After these 3, no-one knows you did it. No criminal record. You’ve had some punishment.
4. you nick some stuff, you go to jail for 3 months.
And at this point, you get a criminal record.
I believe that people can be idiots and learn their lessons, and criminal records prevent them from getting back onto the straight and narrow. And one time in jail might really make the consequences sink in. You get locked up, you see what it’s going to be like, you have an opportunity to fix it. By the time people go to jail here, it’s too late. You’ve got a string of offences, a criminal record and are unemployable. You’re going to stay in a life of crime.
If you go to jail and still don’t change your ways, you’re a hardened criminal, a menace to society. Frankly, we should probably put these people in a camp on Lundy for life because they’re never going to be anything but that. The number of burglars who do a load of crime and then become good citizens is almost nil.
This has worked out so well in California that there is a proposition on the ballot to reinstate the previous punishment. This was fought tooth and nail by the oh-so-woke legislature. Of course yours will argue that it’s because the Americans can’t do things The British Way.
Offer the so-and-sos the choice between a long sentence or the Not the Nine o’clock News solution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhstRrZzaso
The solution is not to reduce sentences. El Salvador has proven that jails can be cheap to build and run. I suspect that their reoffending rates will be very low. A long spell in small cell with 99 other blokes whose sole possessions are one pair of underpants each has to be a very strong deterrent.
Longrider
“Women are more likely to speak to the bastards instead of shutting the door in their face. That said, if this results in it being decriminalised, that’s a good thing. You don’t get criminal penalties for not subscribing to Netflix or Sky. They don’t send the boys round if you don’t pay or respond to their letters.”
The thing with Labour is that while there’s a certain section that is in that Guardian nose-in-the-trough thing, there’s also people who are more orientated around voters. Like Alan Milburn talks about how there’s a lot more voters who are patients than doctors, and that Cameron never really got that. Which is why Labour did more privatisation of the NHS under Blair than than the Conservatives since.
I’m guessing there’s a bit of a power shift gone on. Not much benefit to looking after the BBC people now, a lot more in making poor people who watch ITV happy that they can not pay the licence fee. Because that’s what will happen. Huge numbers of poor people will stop buying it. Without criminal sanctions and a large cost hitting them, it means civil prosecutions, tiny repayments per week.
The BBC will probably go into a death spiral. Lose 25% of income, much less money for programming, more people quit paying for it and so forth.
Western @12.39, +100
Andyf @ 12.55 absolutely. Saw an article about Izalco a couple of years back.
” reoffending rates will be very low”, Possibly – I don’t think they ever let them out…………..
@phillip
Many also have missing bollocks. Excellent 2-for-1 deal there.
I marvel at the stupidity of politicians in general and do not expect this bunch to be any better.
Had they half a brain cell they would abolish the tv licence and instead fund their bbc flying monkeys directly using taxpayer money. This would reduce the incidence of non-payment to zero and free up courts and in extreme cases prison space.
So why not make this sensible if unwelcome change? Because of pure spite, the buggers in both parties simply love to rub our noses in it.
P.s. to cover the “shortfall” just slap a specific one-off purchase tax on sales of tv’s, phones, tablets or any other relevant devices. Unwelcome and unfair but effective.
Longrider
My point was that they might do the right thing for the wrong reason — ie women.
@John
But if they fund the BBC directly out of general taxation the pretence that the Beeb is independent evaporates. Instead they’ll replace the licence fee with a “BBC levy” on data connections. There’s no easy way around that and they can pretend that BBC consumers are paying.
The BBC will continue whatever happens. It’s too useful a propaganda mouthpiece for the Establishment to abandon to the market.
@Theo. I got your point. I felt the reason for the imbalance was worth pointing out. Women are a soft target for these leeches because they are less likely to tell them to eff off. I find myself in a situation where I have a partner who would feel pressured into letting the bastards in – a woman, but also from a different culture, so more easily intimidated as she would view them as authority figures. I will have to give her some coaching, I suspect.
– We could start with the Cabinet and work our way down from there.
Alternatively, we could start with the cannabis consumers and work our way out. You were, of course, careful to cover yourself with “violent” and “antisocial” modifiers but then the demand is funding this:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/28/how-albanian-migrants-have-taken-over-uk-cannabis-market/
– As Pope Sixtus V said: “While I live every criminal must die.”.
An amusing variation on Jesus’ “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone . . .”
It’s almost as if Sixtus V was just a cunt. I’d have given the fucking wop a crossbow bolt to the face just for the cheek of excommunicating our Brenda the First of beloved memory.
they’ll replace the licence fee with a “BBC levy” on data connections
That’s going to go down an absolute bomb with Labour’s target youth demographic, isn’t it? Especially being the ones least likely to use BBC services.
bis,
They’ll give it a mind numbing name and claim it’s a racist on the business not the customers and when the business raises prices they’ll blame evil capitalists.
” The number of burglars who do a load of crime and then become good citizens is almost nil.”
Friend of mine works for Probation. She says they (Probation) achieve virtually nothing. The ones who don’t offend again are the ones that wouldn’t have anyway, regardless of what Probation did to ‘help’ them, the whole process of being caught, going to court etc etc scared the sh*t out of them, they won’t do it again. The rest are habitual criminals who will never stop, unless they have some personal epiphany and choose to themselves, or kill themselves (which happens a lot, usually drug related, but sometimes another criminal does it for them). Nothing a middle class person sat in an office talking at them can say will make a ha’porth of difference.
So you might as well sack the lot of Probation, it wouldn’t make anything any worse and you’d have saved £1.2bn/yr (which would largely pay for the Winter Fuel Allowance). Plus you’d probably speed up the courts system as they wouldn’t have to worry about dealing with Probation sticking their oar in all the time, or slowing the process up while reports are drawn up on criminals prior to sentencing.
PJF – Alternatively, we could start with the cannabis consumers and work our way out
Sure, kill British people because the British government has an open borders policy towards foreign criminals.
You would probably get a knighthood and a position in Two Tier’s government for a policy like that, it’s what they want to do anyway.
To the last
UkrainianCuraleaf customer!I’d have given the fucking wop a crossbow bolt to the face just for the cheek of excommunicating our Brenda the First of beloved memory.
So you admit the Pope’s authority to excommunicate.
@Steve – “There’s literally no downside to simply killing all our antisocial criminals publicly and rapidly”
Centuries of experience prove otherwise. Starting with the fact that no process is infallible and therefore some people are falsely convicted. While it may be bad that they spend years in prison before being released and given compensation, there’s no way to recover from executing someone who later turns out to be innocent.
@Andyf – “A long spell in small cell with 99 other blokes whose sole possessions are one pair of underpants each has to be a very strong deterrent.”
A strong deterrent to getting caught, which includes murdering any witnesses etc.
– So you admit the Pope’s authority to excommunicate.
That’s right, Steve. I also admit his authority to wear special hats and not have a shit on Tuesdays.
A strong deterrent to getting caught, which includes murdering any witnesses etc.
That must be why the murder rate in El Salvador has rocketed since Bukele started banging up the gangs. Oh, hang on…
Got to find some way to make room for all the Terrorists misgendering blokes in a frock and writing HurtyWords on the Internet, after all…
Don’t forget the worst of the worst.
The blokes who shout at police dogs.
I find myself in a situation where I have a partner who would feel pressured into letting the bastards in – a woman, but also from a different culture, so more easily intimidated as she would view them as authority figures. I will have to give her some coaching, I suspect.
Your lass is from a similar part of the world to mine. Mine is far more likely to try and bribe them into going away. Interesting difference in the cultures…
Since the enforcement idiots are working for a private company, I assume it isn’t illegal to bribe them?
I have repeatedly schooled her into just shutting the door in their face though. I don’t want to waste money or resources bribing the clowns.
That must be why the murder rate in El Salvador has rocketed since Bukele started banging up the gangs. Oh, hang on…
One thing Bukele did right was a rapid takedown of the gangs. 6,000 arrested within a week of the program starting, 17,000 in a month and 34,000 in two months. and since it started, over 80,000 have been arrested.
A removal of the right to legal council and association meant it could speed the courts up. It also removed the right to softer punishments like house arrest. Turns it into “oh, you have gang tats. Off to prison you go.”
I would say I can’t see our politicians having the balls to do that… but then if you go out and protest about children being stabbed by our cultural enrichment from wales or shout at a police dog or say hurty words on twixter, then off you go to jail, don’t pass go, don’t collect £200.