Low-paid migrant workers are an immediate drain on the public purse, costing taxpayers more than £150,000 each by the time they hit state pension age, according to the Government’s tax and spending watchdog.
The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) said the average low-earner who came to Britain aged 25 cost the Government more overall than they paid in from the moment they arrived.
Bit of a pity they say this after, not before, allowing a few million in…..
Well, don’t pay them pensions then.
If they haven’t paid enough stamp then they can’t have one.
And that’s just the cost to the exchequer – doesn’t include the societal costs; but don’t worry folks, the Government will cover it all by importing a few million more…
The government doesn’t pay them anything, we the tax payers pay it and that’s why we’re increasingly likely to vote for parties that will do something about it. See also AfD n in Germany.
I’ve been saying this for sometime. This whole thing of bringing in more people to do care work is going to cost us. Yes, cheaper care workers at the immediate point but overall a cost.
Maybe we should go back to women working until the kids come along, a break, some work once they go to secondary and then looking after granny for a while.
(By the way, read a fascinating thing about how the decline in children is driven by status, wondering if it also applies to women working)
“Maybe we should go back to women working until the kids come along, a break, some work once they go to secondary and then looking after granny for a while.”
I’ve always said modern women have been sold a pup. They should be having kids as early as possible, not wasting their most fertile years messing around at university and trying to be a career woman. Have the kids at 18-20, start the career (if you actually want one ) at 30-35. Instead of reaching 30, and either not having a partner to have kids with or finding that conceiving later in life is harder than they thought and spending huge amounts of time and effort going through IVF etc.
Jim – “Have the kids at 18-20, start the career (if you actually want one ) at 30-35.”
But how are you going to afford the house to raise them in?
But they still won’t tell us about the immigration status of prisoners and convicted felons, tax paid by nationality, welfare claims by nationality, and how much is spent on refugee loans and hotel accommodation. Other European countries that do provide this info see a very dark picture emerging. If multiculturalism and diversity are such a huge strength, the government could head off all this “far right” nastiness by publishing the objective facts.
@ Ottokring
If they’ve paid just a few years NI then they get a small state pension and are allowed to claim Pension Credit to top up their Pension to the same level (£218 for single person, £332 for a couple) as those born in the UK.
Gordon *** Brown!
But how are you going to afford the house to raise them in?
By not spending 150K a head subsidising immigrants?
BiS
Again I’m reminded of my favourite Stalin quote: ‘You cannot say that. It tells the truth all too plainly.’
“By not spending 150K a head subsidising immigrants?”
Correct. Plus there would be a lot of cheap houses floating around if we reduced the population by several million of people who shouldn’t be here.
https://conservativepost.co.uk/join-the-peoples-revolt-help-expose-how-labours-migration-plans-will-bankrupt-us-by-2030/
this paints an even more alarming picture,
@john77
Dead right. As a fully-paid up state pensioner in the maximum pension I am fundamentally out-remunerated, both directly and indirectly by all sorts of allowances, by those who’ve made a few nominal annual NI payments. You get NI credits if you’re on Universal Benno or in a low-paid job.
And no-one is ever going to change this because otherwise the vibrant wouldn’t get the nice state retirements and other bennies they’ve come here for.
Am I bitter at having been sold this particular pup? Draw your own conclusions.
You’re asking the wrong question though,
The people importing the Labour force are asking – how do I eliminate all White British people? By importing their replacements and charging them for the privilege!
Once you understand their mindset, which is very similar to that possessed by ‘Queers for Palestine’, then you understand the people behind this. Whether they’re fundamentally evil or plain stupid (not mutually exclusive) the end result is the same.
Well if you don’t like it change it. Learn from the left. The democratic & the extra democratic in concert. The left have been those tactics since forever. Governments soon respond to thousands of angry people on the streets. Even better to hundreds of thousands. I could say something about recent events, but better not. Since even having an opinion about them might be regarded as a criminal offence. But you might have noticed how different issues are responded to differently.
Hey BiS @ 1.01 ” Governments soon respond to thousands of angry people on the streets”.
Sorry, but Labour under Tony Blair totally ignored the million+ who marched against the war in Iraq.
The Tories ignored all those who marched against Lockdowns and jab mandates.
And Labour respond by banging you up if you’re white working class.
But if moslems march on the streets, they will not challenge said moslems and it will be glossed over and ignored by the media.
I am waiting for Yvette Cooper to start clamping down on the ‘hateful ideology’ that is spouted in every mosque in this country every day of the week but particulary Fridays……..
The interpretation of the quotation presented in the Telegraph is so implausible it’s obvious that something is wrong with it. If you go to the source report (https://obr.uk/docs/dlm_uploads/Fiscal-risks-and-sustainability-report-September-2024.pdf) you’ll find the quote on p.108 on which page there is also a helpful graph showing that the average UK resident at the same age has already cost over £400,000. The migrant only ends up costing more if they stay about 20 years, by which time the average UK resident has nearly paid off their huge cost, allowing them to become a net credit at about 44.
I don’t know why the Telegraph decided to highlight the comparison of a low-paid migrant and a average UK resident, but it is very helpful to those bigoted and prejudiced against migrants. The other lines on the same chart, however, are the opposite as they show that regardless of how long they stay, the high-wage migrant or average wage migrant always significantly contributes more than the representative UK resident. In fact, it shows that those classes of migrant are net contributors immediately.
It is unreasonable to compare average UK residents with low-paid migrants. We should compare the two types of people at the same wage level. The quotation makes people imagine that if the low-wage migrants were not there then the cost would be less, but that assumes that the jobs that they do are so unnecesssary that nobody would do them with no resulting loss. It seems very highly implausible that this is the case, and the consequences would need to be investigated before concluding what effect such a change would have. This is exactly the same mistake made by people who assume that raising the tax rate must inevitably raise the total amount taken because nothing else will change.
@Addolff I did actually specify angry. The problem with most (lost for a word here apart from non-left) public displays of dissent is they tend to be too polite & non-threatening. So they’re ignorable. Contrast with last month’s little bits of entertainment. It was quite obvious they got government severely rattled. Yet a short time before, similar disturbances had the police fleeing the scene & was followed by a general air of appeasement.
I said. You have to use the democratic & extra democratic in concert. The left have been consciously doing this right back to the sixties. They’ve been teaching their activists this since then.
Charles – I read as far as “implausible”. I wonder if anyone got further…
“. The other lines on the same chart, however, are the opposite as they show that regardless of how long they stay, the high-wage migrant or average wage migrant always significantly contributes more than the representative UK resident. In fact, it shows that those classes of migrant are net contributors immediately.”
Its almost as if discriminating between which migrants to let in and which to tell to bugger off might be a very good idea……..
Yes Jim.
When we Aussies had a properly organised immigration policy, we allowed in those we thought would benefit us.
Now the number and type of immigrants are determined by the grifting universities. Since you need a student visa to study there.
Jim,
“I’ve always said modern women have been sold a pup. They should be having kids as early as possible, not wasting their most fertile years messing around at university and trying to be a career woman.”
The truth of the matter is that most women are not “career women”. They consume girlboss fantasies of women in smart offices in designer suits having meetings but they don’t spend their spare time reading The Toyota Way or starting a side hustle or learning Python. They don’t leave jobs for higher rank and pay like men do.
“Have the kids at 18-20, start the career (if you actually want one ) at 30-35. Instead of reaching 30, and either not having a partner to have kids with or finding that conceiving later in life is harder than they thought and spending huge amounts of time and effort going through IVF etc”
It’s amazing to me that you have these women freezing eggs thinking that some bloke is going to go gaga over them at 40. Men will walk barefeet over broken glass for 21 year olds. And you can work, study or travel at any age.
But this status thing has its hooks in me. Women get told that education matters, careers matter, that they should travel. Teachers, journalists, media, politicians, celebrities are all on that side of things, leading them a certain way. There is almost no one publicly saying they should get a man while they’re young and pretty. You can work and travel when the first grey hairs appear.
Charles,
“The quotation makes people imagine that if the low-wage migrants were not there then the cost would be less, but that assumes that the jobs that they do are so unnecesssary that nobody would do them with no resulting loss”
Fair point, but it also changes other incentives. Like people go out for Starbucks because it’s cheap, subsidised by the taxpayer, and maybe they would get a coffee machine if it cost more. Or we get more care home bureaucracy because we can afford it
“The truth of the matter is that most women are not “career women”. They consume girlboss fantasies of women in smart offices in designer suits having meetings but they don’t spend their spare time reading The Toyota Way or starting a side hustle or learning Python. They don’t leave jobs for higher rank and pay like men do.”
I think men want to ‘do’ while women want to ‘be’. Its why (IMO) female dominated organisations achieve very little – put a group of men together and after they’ve had a pissing competition to see who is boss they’ll get on with doing stuff. Do the same with women and it will be a constant bitchfest to try and be top dog, but even when top dog is determined, nothing productive will happen, because the aim was just to be top dog, nothing more.
“The quotation makes people imagine that if the low-wage migrants were not there then the cost would be less, but that assumes that the jobs that they do are so unnecesssary that nobody would do them with no resulting loss”
If the production they create is less than they consume it’s blindingly obvious they shouldn’t be doing it. You are paying for the deficit. (You are required to produce what they don’t) It’s just that you’re not paying for it in the pricing.
If we abolished the minimum wage then some of the jobs currently done by immigrants would be done by healthy pensioners and housewives working part-time
Jim,
“I think men want to ‘do’ while women want to ‘be’.”
I think there’s a lot of truth in this. Men will go and work for interesting startups in old barns that are a health and safety nightmare because it’s interesting work. Women want a nice shiny corporate office with a nice title where they fill out ISO 9002 reports until they retire.
@john77 – “If we abolished the minimum wage then some of the jobs currently done by immigrants would be done by healthy pensioners and housewives working part-time”
Maybe, but the economic effects would be difficult to predict as there is a lot of government intervention in the jobs market. People on low wages get paid benefits, so reducing someone’s wages may merely result in them getting more in benefits. However, if you had the jobs be done by recent immigrants, that would be cheaper as they have no recourse to public funds, so would not get universal credit etc.
Lol! It’s the way you tell them!