Economic growth. is destroying our well-being.
It’s destroying our planet.
It’s also absurd. It’s very obvious that on a planet of finite resources, you cannot have infinite economic growth, which appears to be the aim of our politicians.
The man does put himself forward as an economist. At which point he should know what economic growth is. GDP is value added. Therefore economic growth is more value added. It’s not more consumption of resoures – that finity which does indeed exist – it’s working out how to add more value.
No, not even adding more value to resources. Just adding more value.
Given that he’s ignorant of the most basics of the subject perhaps we should push back at the claim of being an economist?
Many other animals will also survive because they can withstand a process of change better than we can because they don’t have the advanced society and infrastructure that we require to support our way of life.
Jeebus. We survive in the multiplicity of environments that we do survive in because we’ve an advanced society and infrastructure.
Sigh.
Since everyone seems to be claiming that increasing wealth causes a drop in population, surely this should lead to a decrease in resource consumption.
Has this guy never read Hibbes and Locke ? They had this all worked in the 17th Cenr.
Anyway where dies thus “infunite growth in a finte wirld” come from. Malthusian claptrap. We have only extracted a minute amount of the riches in our soils and waters.
Any chance do you think that this hypocritical cvnt would move out of the 4 bedroom, 3 public room property he occupies as a SINGLE MAN?
I’m coming to the conclusion that the only way to deal with cvnts like Murphy is physical violence.
“Almost since the first discoveries of oil in the U.S. in 1859, people have been saying we’re running out. In 1874, the state geologist of the nation’s leading oil producer, Pennsylvania, warned the U.S. had enough oil to last just four years. In 1914, the federal government said we had a ten-year supply. The government announced in 1940 that reserves would be depleted within a decade and a half. The Club of Rome made similar claims in the 1970s. President Carter famously predicted in 1977 that unless we made drastic cuts in our oil consumption, “Within ten years we would not be able to import enough oil — from any country, at any acceptable price.”
He (and those doom mongers like him (eg Thomas Malthus, Paul Ehrlich et al) have been making these statements for decades / centuries but have been proven to be talking bollocks.
Being wrong never seems to stop them though, or the believing simpletons who lap it up.
Yeah. It is like saying government debt can only rise to the point where we run out of numbers. Government has been assiduously testing this theory over several years & so far has not found this limit. But Rachel Reeves is conducting strenuous further research..
All through the ‘70s and ‘80s lefties like Spud were shouting with glee that we were close to peak oil, and yet we,I’ve got more reserves than ever, even at current prices.
It’s a hall mark of lefties that they never learn from their mistakes, they just keep doubling down, see also climate catastrophists with their constant drum beat of forecasts that never come true.
How late is too late when it comes to climate change?
Hopefully not too late to expose it as one of the most costly and dangerous misinformation campaigns for centuries, and hopefully hold people like yourself accountable for its proselytisation
I’ve been looking at information about climate change for over 50 years. Some of the books behind me are on that subject. One of them is a book written in 1967 by a man called E. J. Mishan and it’s called ‘The Costs of Economic Growth’.
It was called Global Warming until the 21st century so let’s be generous and assume that you aren’t lying – is there any subject you hadn’t tackled when you were a teenager? I bet you were great fun at parties.
I read it when I was a sixth former, in 1975.
Most people’s politics move on 5 decades later. Rather sad that you are still peddling the same kind of Manichaeans nonsense.
It was the first-ever theoretical economics book that I actually got my head around and read from cover to cover.
Anyone here read it?
And what he said then, could be said now, that we have to change the way that we live if human life on Earth is to survive.
I’m willing to bet he admired a certain country and economic system that was extant in 1967 and which doesn’t now, as you do.
Economic growth. is destroying our well-being.
It’s destroying our planet.
It’s also absurd. It’s very obvious that on a planet of finite resources, you cannot have infinite economic growth, which appears to be the aim of our politicians.
The alternatives such as he outlays them
Always seem to involve him receiving either additional funding or a position with a big salary. Strange that.
We’re now seeing the consequence of 50 years of ignoring this information because the climate movement did fundamentally develop during those 1970s when I was a teenager, as I was when I first became aware of it.
What are those consequences?
We aren’t seeing anything that hasn’t occurred before and there are numerous sceptical outlets that disprove the entire hypothesis. Almost all the proponents are evil to a certain degree – why would I listen to them, whatever their credentials?
We’ve seen flooding in Europe recently.
Perhaps importing the third world is not a good idea in that case?
We’re seeing hurricanes hitting America with greater force than for decades if not centuries.
That is a flagrant lie and easily disproved
We’re seeing damage of untold amount.
The inflation caused by the misguided proponents of MMT has real world
Impact.
We’re seeing unusual climate patterns.
These are along similar lines to those COVID models used to justify lockdown, the single greatest criminal act by the U.K. government in history and of which you were a strong supporter,no?
We are seeing places in the world where water is virtually disappearing.
That’s true – excessive immigration and bad planning have impacts
We’re seeing what were arable areas ceasing to be able to produce crops.
In most cases that can be also attributed to left wing ideology and the belief the state should have a prominent role in the economy
We’re seeing stress on people as a consequence, who literally have to move because their means of survival no longer exists.
Yes – we are seeing that because of people following the economic policies advocated in the Courageous state and The Taxing Wealth Report. These make it impossible for non- parasites to survive.
All of that is because we decided that we could carry on burning fossil fuels.
– [x] All renewables require massive inputs from Fossil Fuels – but of course you are too ignorant to actually do any real research beyond accepting any environmental crazy as gospel
We decided that this planet could be heated.
This is the latest evolution of ‘Net Zero’ – no more heating for anyone??
We decided that the pursuit of profitwas more important than the pursuit of sustainability.
Better that than those who decided the pursuit of power was more vital.
We decided that our current ability to globe-trot around the world was more important than providing our grandchildren with a safe place to live.
Tugging at the heartstrings? How many grandchildren will be impoverished by the larceny advocated in the ‘Taxing Wealth Report’ – or don’t they matter?
We decided that this was how we wanted to live.
And we’ve got it wrong.
Let’s be blunt. There is no way that we can carry on as we are.
I agree – we have tolerated extreme left wing politics for over a century. It needs to be ruthlessly excised from the body politic and its practitioners made to answer for their crimes.
I’m not saying life on Earth as we have recognised it will cease if we manage the whole process of sustainability. We will have homes. We will have jobs. We could have food. We will travel, not maybe in the same way as we have.
These are fairly critical details to work out. The fact you haven’t thought of them
May explain your total lack of electoral success.
We will consume, but perhaps different goods – and a lot more services, because they have, by and large, a much lower carbon impact. But the point is, we can have life on Earth, still, just about, if we change. Or, we can blow this world apart.
The biggest straw man I have seen since the Wicker Man.
As far as we’re concerned, that is.
Of course, the world will survive. The world is indifferent as to whether we’re here or not.
Would the nuclear was which is coming men the planet survives intact??
Many other animals will also survive because they can withstand a process of change better than we can because they don’t have the advanced society and infrastructure that we require to support our way of life.
That will begin to collapse shortly I would imagine. So you can stop worrying – you might be beheaded as an apostate but the planet will be safe.
But can we survive? My answer is, I don’t know.
I thought you knew everything.
In 1975?
Recently, a whole load of climate scientists have said we have reached the tipping point, where it is possible that societal breakdown might happen as a consequence of climate change. I think they’re right.
Vested interests whose funding and continued employment depending on the world ending predict it will end – Rutherford it isn’t…
Societal breakdown? Because quite simply, hundreds of millions, if not billions of people, on a planet where there are now around 8 billion of us, will have to move because they have no viable home, and that we will therefore have to accommodate, at least in part.
On what basis are we obliged to accommodate them? Because a retired fat bastard in the Fens decrees it?
That we will have to absorb into our society because we, in the UK and in Northern Europe – and there will, of course, be other places where this is also true – have a chance of maintaining life in the place where we are.
But can we withstand the strain that this will create?
Remove DEI – end race grifting. Also
Make it Illegal to hold public sector employment if the job holder is left wing.
Can our political systems adjust so that the current narratives, which hate the ‘other’, with the other being defined as the person who wants to come and live in the UK, whoever they might be, can we see changes in those narratives in sufficient time to handle the stress that climate change is going to create with regard to migration?
If the attitude pivots and the default reaction is that any refugee is not obliged to be accommodated here or anywhere in a western Europe then I think we can survive for sure.
Can we change our consumption patterns?
They’d change oftheir own accord left to the Market.
Can we change the attitude of our government when, for example, our government has just decided to invest £22 billion in carbon capture and storage, which is a giant con trick by the fossil fuel industry so that it can keep burning those things that are destroying our planet for a decade or so longer, causing untold harm as a consequence when that £22 billion would be vastly better spent on reducing our consumption of fuels by insulating homes, providing alternative sources of energy, creating new transport systems which do not pollute in the way that our existing ones do, and on and on?
Can we make these changes?
I don’t know.
I wish I could tell you that I do.
A list of fashionable canards so dismal one almost wants to jump off a bridge.
I used to think I wouldn’t be as worried in old age as I was when I was younger, that things would have resolved themselves, and I would now be sitting in relative comfort. But I’m not. I’m more worried now than probably I’ve ever been. Because I’ve got through most of my life – let’s be realistic, when you’re 66, that has to be statistically true – but when I look at the prospects of those who are younger than me, which is, of course, now most of the world, I realise that the legacy of my generation is dire, to be blunt.
Horrible.
Unacceptable.
Something for which we can only apologise because we can’t make amends for the mistakes we made.
Absolutely agree with this paragraph – the tolerance of the Extreme Left and all their bizarre fetishes will be looked back on with real abject horror. The entire ‘Alphabeat soup’ bullshit, the godlessness, the tolerance of racism, the obsession with ‘making people poorer. It’s a sorry legacy for sure. That’s why for me people like you should be answering for your crimes.
But we can change our patterns of behaviour now.
Absolutely – no more left wing ideology anywhere win government or the Public sector.
Our government could do a Green New Deal, which would invest in our sustainable future. It could find the money in question. It would be much better spent than putting £22bn into meaningless carbon capture and storage to simply fuel the profits of big energy companies.
We could change our approach to sustainability with regard to food and so many other issues.
Absolutely – begin tracking and ramping up energy independence so our future descendants can live comfortably
We could begin to imagine a world where we know that people will have to move and we have to plan for that possibility so that social stress does not arise when it happens.
We could do all those things. They’re all entirely plausible. As a consequence, we could survive. But is it too late? Are attitudes going to take too long to change?
A world without socialism or where it is forbidden to hold such beliefs can be achieved but by Christ it is a challenge.
That is the biggest question of all. Can we create the mindset where we will survive? Or is that not possible in the time remaining to us?
These are questions I can’t answer. You can. You can muse on them. You can decide for yourself. You can ask others about them. You can debate them. You can, as I am trying to be by making this video, part of the change that we require.
Paradoxically you are – anyone watching this knows the level and the persistence of the evil we face.
But at the end of the day, none of us know whether we’re too late or not. We just have to cling on in the hope that we might still have a chance.
I sincerely hope that the likes of your truly evil ideology reside in the dustbin of history and sooner rather than later
While the Earth is finite, there is a whole solar system (and eventually galaxy) to expand into. On a related note, SpaceX just successfully completed the 5th flight of Starship, and caught the booster on landing!
It is surprising sometimes how many people are nostalgic for 30% infant mortality rates and a time when lives were “nasty, brutish and short”. That can still be found in much of the world.
We’re seeing hurricanes hitting America with greater force than for decades if not centuries.
That is a flagrant lie and easily disproved
And oh boy boy did that work that one hard for the latest event.
The day before I was reading some official claiming of 10 of thousands of Floridans “If they stay in their homes they will die. If they try & escape to a place of safety they will die” It’s all over. The largest storm ever. It’s the end of the world as we know it!
When it actually hit Florida it was downgraded to strength 4 & the last death toll I heard was 10. About par for the course for Florida hurricanes. Shit happens.
The thought that global burning is an existential threat to humans is ludicrous. Humans colonized damn near every biome on the planet using stone age tools.
How much global warming have we had since the last ice age? Once again humans negotiated that with stone age technology.
The solutions proposed would kill billions and impoverish billions more. The people supporting Greenery think they would be unaffected. Just more useful idiots.
Besides, the events in Texas this morning make the option of moving off the planet more likely.
“the last death toll I heard was 10.” About three car crashes worth. Or rather less than a bad weekend in the Chicago ghettoes.
Murphy: “the climate movement did fundamentally develop during those 1970s when I was a teenager, as I was when I first became aware of it”
What next – is he going to claim he invented environmentalism, in the same way he claims he invented country-by-country reporting?
PiP
10 in Chicago at the weekend is probably a good weekend.
I used to be a little bit sceptical about SpaceX. Mostly I think I wondered how much fuel it meeded to keep in reserve and what impact it had on range and performance.
But nowadays, especially with that landing today I think its well wicked.
” We survive in the multiplicity of environments that we do survive in because we’ve an advanced society and infrastructure.”
Sorry, nope… We already did, quite successfully, when stone still was the main technology, closely followed by bone and wood.
In fact… you can fall back all the way to Stone Age tech, and recreate Ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, etc… etc…
That landing was astonishing, and makes Boeing, Lockheed, Raytheon and the rest look like the grifting dullards they mostly are.
OT – I went to https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/inflation/inflation-calculator
played a little and found that £10 in 1995 requires £19.98 today to buy the same stuff.
In other words it has taken 29 years for the value of a quid to halve which is surely a British record. It’s not ideal as a 2% inflation target should mean a 35 year halving time, but the operationally independent system has done rather well. Any of the previous Ritchie monetary systems halved value faster.
VP quotes “One of them is a book written in 1967 by a man called E. J. Mishan …”
I’ve got one of his books, which is probably the one the Eejit of Ely ought to study. It’s called 21 Popular Economic Fallacies (1969). For example chapter 1 concerns the fallacy that Rent Controls are Necessary during a Housing Shortage. Does he agree? Chapter 14 inspects the fallacy that Britain Would Reap Economic Benefits from Joining a European Customs Union. How’s that appeal, fat man? Chapter 15 pours scorn on the fallacy that The Country Needs Immigrant Labour – get back to Ireland, fatso!
@Norman The chopstick landing was insane.
The sheer mass of that primary stage, even “empty”, coming to rest on those steering fins, without bending or breaking anything, all automated…
It makes anyone else in the business look like kids eating their crayons.
The landing of Spaceship itself was equally impressive.. The camera buoys they had at the predicted landing spot were spot on.
Dunno why they expected the vessel to live any length of time after the aimed “second belly flop” though.
Very hot bits hitting seawater, with the resultant stream hitting very cold bits, all conducting hypercholic fluids…. weeeelll….. The thing simply isn’t built for that particular excercise…
The Florida hurricane death toll seems to have hit 12, while the earlier hurricane killed 230 it seems.
230 fatalities just about gets you into the top 20 of worst US hurricanes. In that top 20 list, there’s only 5 which happened after WW2 and only 2 since 2000.
The worst US hurricane was the Great Galveston Hurricane, which killed 8,000 people in 1900, when the US population was less than a quarter of what it is today.
Grikath, ‘…coming to rest on those steering fins…’ Not the fins, it is caught on a large pin each side.