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A fun little question

Companies must ensure that 22pc of the cars they sell in the UK are EVs or face a penalty of £15,000 per vehicle outside the target. The quota is set to jump to 28pc from January, while the EV requirement for vans will go from 10c to 16pc.

OK, so we know that.

While Stellantis expects to reach about 20pc EV sales this year, Carlos Tavares, its chief executive, has said that is double the “natural” extent of demand. Given the disparity, reaching even the current level has “cost a lot,” the source said.

And the fun thing. If those lease subsidies are doubling demand is this a good thing or a bad?

Could be useful development of a new tech. Could be pissing money up the wall. But which?

17 thoughts on “A fun little question”

  1. “Natural” demand here presumably means what the current desperate measures – registering at dealers and counting as sales etc – can cover.

    Are there any desperate measures left other than suspending real car sales?

    Doesn’t sound like!

  2. I don’t know why they don’t all band together and say that they won’t sell any cars in the UK until the ridiculous quota rules are abolished.

  3. If the hit a company is taking on cutting prices is greater than the fine…

    I think DocBud a lot of the manufacturers will simply have to stop selling in the UK just so as to avoid bankruptcy.

  4. Stellantis will be one of the hardest hit because they make a lot of cheap cars. A £15k fine for a Rolls: shrug. A £15k fine for a Corsa… no sell Corsa. Ford saw the writing on the wall, stopped selling the Fiesta and end-of-life’d the Focus.

    I think DocBud a lot of the manufacturers will simply have to stop selling in the UK just so as to avoid bankruptcy

    TPTB don’t want you to have a car. It’ll start with making them too expensive for poor people, then the middle classes. The purpose is to turn the whole road network into a Zil lane. When Tesla ends up building a $20k (in 2015 dollars) electric hatchback, a reason will be found for why it is has to be taxed beyond the reach of the proletariat if it is allowed to be sold at all.

  5. Bloke in North Dorset

    TPTB don’t want you to have a car. It’ll start with making them too expensive for poor people, then the middle classes.

    Do we believe in coincidences?

    Almost £1bn in funding will go to delivering London-style buses across England as part of a massive Budget boost, the government has promised.

    The Department for Transport (DfT) has given more details on its plans for 2025 after announcing the funding last month.

    It has promised to deliver what it calls “London-style” services to every corner of the country, and said funding would be allocated based on levels of deprivation and population, instead of making areas compete for investment as it has in previous years.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86qy500545o

  6. Could be useful development of a new tech. Could be pissing money up the wall. But which?

    A useful development of new tech would advantage the new tech without expressly setting out to harm the existing tech. That’s not what’s being done, though. If the new tech isn’t taking off and it obvs isn’t then the market for new cars is being forced to shrink. Ergo money wasted and consumers punished.

    Sadly this will not be the final flatulence of the loony racoon – there’s lots more to come!

  7. When did a government here in the UK ever pick a winner? EVs are simply impractical when more than half the country doesn’t have garage or driveway parking.

  8. It has promised to deliver what it calls “London-style” services to every corner of the country
    Every bus will come with an effnic yoof sprawled across 3 seats puffing on a spliff.

  9. “London-style” bus services mean so unreliable that you never know whether or not the bus is actually running or if you’ll have to wait for the next one.

  10. Could be useful development of a new tech.

    They don’t seem to be very confident about this new tech, otherwise they wouldn’t be trying to get rid of the old one.

    When did a government here in the UK ever pick a winner?

    Just wait until you see the results from the sovereign spaffing fund!

  11. Maybe in years to come the UK will be like a cold Cuba.

    Lots and lots of charmingly impoverished people desperately maintaining a dwindling stock of vintage cars.

  12. I used to run errands by cycling to the Co-op: there and back, ten minutes tops. Now that neither of us is fit to cycle we drive: again we’d allow ten minutes for the travel.

    A traffic fanatic said we should use the bus. I’m not fit to do that but my wife could try it. Assuming buses came on time, or came at all, that would take perhaps an hour and a half and would involve crossing main roads four times, lots of standing around in the cold and rain, and carrying heavy shopping. And it could only be done at peak times because bus availability collapses in the evening. Come to that it collapses at the weekend too.

    Do you know, the traffic fanatic refused to understand.

  13. So, boiler tax repeat.
    Sure, you can buy a real car. Either wait 10 years for your turn in the allowance to arrive, or pay the £15k non-EV tax. Don’t blame us, it’s set by the Governement. Blame them.
    Write to your MP. Their home address is….

    It’d be fascinating to see MP’s living on only tinned food, free of any hate tampering. Sort of a Ymmot deal?

  14. “When did a government here in the UK ever pick a winner?”

    If electric cars and heat pumps actually were winners they wouldn’t need the government to pick them in the first place. New tech that is genuinely better than the current tech quickly becomes universal without the need for government subsidies. The need for subsidies is how you know that it is not a winner.

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