Left-wing conspiracy theorists have claimed the 2024 US presidential election was “stolen”, as posts falsely alleging Elon Musk’s Starlink satellite network was used to manipulate the result spread on social media.
Claims that 20m votes in the election have “disappeared” or that Starlink was used to interfere with vote-counting machines have been shared by thousands of people across X, Threads and TikTok.
Most amusing, obvs. And it getds better, for of course there is something to think about. Where did all those 20 million “extra” votes for Biden come from last time around?
Whichever way they squirm, they cannot escape exactly this glaring error.
When do the prosecutions of those on the left claiming the election was ‘stolen’ begin?
Oh, that’s right, they won’t (as per Hitlery in 2016).
Some are saying Trump will not visit retribution on those in the three letter agencies, the media and the rest of the swamp who have (unjustly) fought against him for the last 8 years. I sincerely hope he does…………..
A: they came from a photocopier
As far as I’m aware there isn’t a single state in the USA that has compulsory voting. It’s more likely that people who were motivated to for Biden just didn’t bother to vote this time.
There’s a case winding through Italian courts relating to the illegitimate use of their Galileo satellite in transferring information during the 2020 election…
Bloke in North Dorset said:
“… people who were motivated to [vote] for Biden …”
That’s the bit I find difficulty with. I can understand people being motivated to vote for Obama, in a “black Blair” sort of way (not my thing, but I can readily believe it). I can understand others are motivated to vote for Trump. But being motivated by Sleepy Joe, even last time round? Can’t see it.
The only non-conspiracy explanation that makes enough sense to me is that their motivation was to vote against Trump, and Biden wasn’t enough of a negative to stop that, but Harris was.
Did the death rate go down ?
That might explain why there were fewer corpses to vote Democrat this time around.
@Ljh: Seems highly unlikely… Galileo is a satellite navigation system operated by the ESA. It isn’t used for general communications.
I expect the 20m “missing” votes will magically be located during the recount that the Dems are requesting.
I’m intrigued by what is increasingly looking like being a clear differential in the Arizona voting patterns for the Presidency and the House/Senate.
If orange man is so unpopular then surely in this most electorally challenged state he would have been defeated (eventually). Yet somehow Republican candidates seem likely to underperform him resulting in significant nuisance value to the makeup and decision making of both finely-balanced houses..
John:
It could just as easily be explained by TEAM BLUE’s claims of “misogyny”: Hispanic men are comfortable voting for a man like Trump, but can turn around and vote for a candidate like Gallego as well. (From what I read, he also actually did fairly good retail politics going out on the hustings.)
Or, Kari Lake is even more toxic than people claim Trump is. Trump had the foresight to fight back after being shot, and did well with those McDonald’s and garbage truck campaign stops. Lake doesn’t have anything like that AFAIK.
RichardT,
“That’s the bit I find difficulty with. I can understand people being motivated to vote for Obama, in a “black Blair” sort of way (not my thing, but I can readily believe it). I can understand others are motivated to vote for Trump. But being motivated by Sleepy Joe, even last time round? Can’t see it.”
Biden’s a senator who has been around for donkey’s years, he has a certain amount of folksy appeal. Also it was during the pandemic, so maybe people had nothing better to do.
@Mike Finn Since when did conspiracy theorists let actual facts or technical impossibilities get in the way of their theorising?
As I understand it, the 20M # will be reduced, there’s still a lot of uncounted votes (I think, for example, CA absentee ballots, not enough to change the outcome but a pretty large #).
But the 2020 Dem vote count will still stand out as dramatically higher than 2008, 2012, 2016 or 2024 (2 of those elections include BLACKJESUS, just btw).
The most likely answer to some of us is that:
1 – Absent the excuse of the Fauci Virus, there was a lot less insecurity in the election.
2 – Rs and conservatives significantly increased their efforts to minimize “irregularities”.
Esteban – My favourite part was when Black Jesus turned the water into fortified wine.
But Trump just beat his record-breaking 2020 vote haul. So now they’re saying there was unusually high voter turnout in 2020 that only benefited Joe Biden by several million votes. That doesn’t sound right.
Hmm.
It is of course possible that 20 million people who have been ramped up to despise the Orange Hitler just decided not to bother this time, but I suspect it’s rather more likely that the tricks those cunts obviously pulled off in 2020 were less available to them because the 200,000 poll watchers across the country and 500 lawyers in every battleground state that the GOP had put together had some effect, together with the large number of pre-emptive court cases they were filing for months as they uncovered lashings of evidence of another attempted steal.
‘They’ are now focusing on trying to ensure that the people with the power to do anything in the Senate are r
RINOs who hate Trump and will obstruct him at every turn.
It’s almost as though the long march through the institutions is a real thing.
There are positive signs, but this battle will be on for the next dozen years, not just the next four.
– So now they’re saying there was unusually high voter turnout in 2020 that only benefited Joe Biden by several million votes. That doesn’t sound right.
Depends on how you frame it. If you say that in 2020 there were millions of people especially motivated to get rid of Trump (nobody much voted for Biden) it doesn’t sound unreasonable. Trump was the incumbant bleachinjectingfinepeoplehitler in 2020; this year he was the opposition to senile and weird. Remember, if the 2020 election was rigged it was done a few key areas. The extra millions for Biden were from all over, including states where a Dem win was guaranteed. Trump’s vote also went up lots in those places.
PJF – good points, but where did those people go?
Trump 2020 votes: 74,223,975
Trump 2024 votes: 75,143,665
Biden 2020 votes: 81,283,501
Harris 2024 votes: 71,882,701
There’s still a small percentage of votes to be counted, but the Dems will still have lost an unprecedented number of votes in 4 years. And Trump has somehow managed to win even more votes than he did in 2020 despite a lower turnout. All I’m saying is that’s odd.
You are spot on that we won’t find the cheating in the gross figures, the shenanigans that mattered in 2020 were localised.
I think Interested is correct but there’s other things going on too. Feels like key sections of the establishment who backed Biden last time switched to Trump, and that might be one of the reasons why the public meltdowns and freakouts have been relatively restrained this time. They seemed to me to have basically conceded to Trump before the election: Bezos and others refusing to endorse Kamala was a little American glasnost moment. I had the sense the Kamala campaign was going through the motions without feeling it towards the end – spending all that money just to accuse their opponent of being Hitler was a dumb, weak message. It’ll be interesting when the insider stories come out.
I’m obviously missing something here, but if Trump got 74m votes in both 2020 and 2024, and Biden got 81m to Harris’ 71m, shouldn’t that be 10m missing voters and not 20m?
– where did those people go?
Some went to Trump but most likely stayed at home.
1976
Ford – 39,148,634
Carter – 40,831,881
1980
Reagan – 43,903,230
Carter – 35,480,115
Carter lost 5 million votes in a period when turnouts were half today’s numbers; nobody thought that unusual or his first tally suspicious. In ’84 Reagan got 10 million more votes than ’80 and the Dem candidate 2 million more. Some elections just drive big turnouts. 2020 was one of those.
I’m guessing that the millions were in the states that had mandatory photo ID to vote. I read that the Democrats ONLY won those states that allowed anyone to rock up to a polling station and vote. The others ALL went to the Republicans.
From what I can see Biden/Trump 155m votes.
Currently Trump/Harris 147m votes and counting. Last I saw 98% of votes counted so say 148m votes in final tally.
That means 8m voters fewer turned out, about 5%. That seems a reasonable amount.
But let’s assume the Dems rigged it last time because they feared Trump so much. Given that the Dems have told he’s now had time to plot his revenge and is going to be a dictator on day 1, why didn’t they fix it again? After all, they had complete control of Harris so could do what they wanted.
I’d like to also point out that when I said a few months ago they wouldn’t be able to cheat because Trump lawyers would be all over the voting process I was sneered at and mocked and told the Dems would get round them.
Or would that only work if Trump lost?
BiND, people cheat to be homecoming queen or8th grade president. They will definitely cheat for control of the Oval Office. Whether the Dems were more motivated to do so in 2020 vs 2024 is debatable, but the opportunity was vastly greater in 2020.
True, the Electoral College turned on a few big cities in swing states, but I suspect there was plenty of mischief going on even in deep blue states. When ballots are mailed en masse and drop boxes are available for convenient, anonymous drop offs, yeah, I’m thinking there will be a bit of funny business.
Given that the Dems have told he’s now had time to plot his revenge and is going to be a dictator on day 1, why didn’t they fix it again?
This has been answered many times, but rhetorical questions are more fun aren’t they?
PJF – you make a convincing case, which is more than I can say for the new Trump movie “The Apprentice”. Which, despite taking heavy artistic liberties – all unflattering to Trump, natch – is less entertaining than any episode of The Apprentice. Especially the Alan Sugar ones, I like Grumpy Amstrad Man.)
2 and a half* watch Strange Darling instead.
And, BTW, I’m pretty sure they did get around the lawyers & cheat a bit, possibly quite a bit. But as Trump supporters wanted, it was “too big to rig”.
Btw it was amazing detective work on the part of the American federal and state criminal justice authorities to eventually discover that Donald Trump was a hardened criminal when he was 74.
Clearly this “Donald Trump” character kept an extremely low profile in all the preceding decades, when he was doing all those crimes that they suddenly realised he was guilty of.
PJF
“Ford / Reagan / Carter etc”
That demonstrates it perfectly. For example:
Conservatives 2019: 14.0m votes
Conservatives 2024: 6.8m votes
And yet no one suggests that those numbers are implausible…..
(and no I’m not suggesting that 2020 wasn’t manipulated. But one could suggest that it might have been to Trump’s advantage that it was? Because now he’s had 4 extra years to mull it fully and get a proper plan in place….)
But of course there were millions of fraudulent votes. Without them Harris would only have polled 60.
Southerner – one vote for every one of Kamala’s IQ points.