By 12.30am the swing state of Georgia – the closest run result of any state at the last election – was going Trump’s way, with an increase in support among independent and Latino voters, and a few minutes later, exit polls in North Carolina, another swing state, told an almost identical story.
Trump was up with Latino voters by 7 points, including a 16-point rise among Latino women, and was up 5 points with black voters, who were clearly rejecting the first black woman to stand for president.
Effniks are not necessarily lefties.
Across counties where median household income was between $25,000 a year – roughly equivalent to the federal poverty line for a family of four – and $75,000, the US average, Trump’s vote share was above 70 per cent. The Democrats, once the party of the working class and the champions of the social safety net, had morphed into a party of the elite.
Nor the poor.
One lesson learnt is that the better postal vote farming operation is going to win.
The Reps have finally worked this out.
Non Labour parties will never get an even chance in many inner city constituencies precisely because of this corruption introduced by Blair.
It seems to me that a landslide was always on the cards, however this was muddied by the constant and universal interference run by the media, in the UK as much as the US. Clearly the intent was to dishearten Republicans and make them stay at home.
I say this with hindsight because it got to me and I feared the result was in question, when I should have ignored the bullshit and put money on Trump.
It seems that plenty of people did bet on Trump, however, and were thoroughly sneered at by wankers in the media. For example a Guardian article on Oct 30 quotes Thomas Gruca, a professor of marketing at the University of Iowa.
America’s gambling boom, led by the legalization of sports betting, “has increased the number of people who like to throw away their money on things they don’t understand”, said Gruca. “People think, ‘I picked the Raiders-Jets game, therefore, I can pick a president.’”
Looks like they know more than Tom…
Speaking of inner cities I’ve posted elsewhere about the absence of peaceful protesting after the result.
This is mildly embarrassing for me as a friend and colleague had been insistent that, if Trump lost, armed right-wingers would rise up to protest across the country. I pointed out that only one side had been rioting over the last decade and they weren’t Trump supporters.
Could it be that rather than a genuinely spontaneous movement they are in fact completely FBI imbedded and controlled (Hi Mr Epps, did you enjoy the result?), being held in check for now at least
It’s all suspiciously quiet.
Despite all the fancy analysis it turns out it was “the economy, stupid”.
The “Latino Community” were particuarly pissed with the Dems lumping them that had been here legally for six generations all into one group with illegals breaking into the country in the last years. It’s endemic in The Left: “you’re a group, therefore you *MUST* vote for us”.
When exactly have the Democrats EVER been ‘the party of the working class’?
I can see that for our Labour Party, which has undergone a similar metamorphosis into a party of the sneering Metropolitan elites, but when was the Democrat Party ever anything else?
“black voters, who were clearly rejecting the first black woman to stand for president.”
Maybe they were recalling the time when she was Indian.
I thought, from the media blitz all the way down to the ‘ground game’, postal voting, and counting corruption and fraud, the Dems had it stitched up. Trump’s clean sweep has surprised and delighted me. I hope he retains Congress; if he’s to do anything of any consequence he has to have all the Dem barriers out of the way.
The result simply shows that once again, when allowed to express its opinion, the voting public is not fooled by the Establishment. This of course, is why the Establishment likes to keep decisions about the really important stuff like the Net Zero grift firmly away from the voting public.
Otto: « Non Labour parties will never get an even chance in many inner city constituencies precisely because of this corruption introduced by Blair. »
That used to be the case and was certainly the intention but one shouldn’t discount the strong possibility of the Caliphate Party moving onto this ground and replacing Labour.
It’s the legal immigrants who suffer the most from illegal immigration.
Doesn’t seem that complicated to me.
Hamas, trans & woke are electoral death. But the Democratic wonks are so out of touch they didn’t believe it. Probably still don’t.
Apparently 1 in 3 “people of colour” as the awkward phrase goes voted for Donald Trump.
He won an absolute majority of Latino male votes.
Incredible realignment, Republicans aren’t supposed to be able to win those votes. They’re supposed to belong to Obama’s Coalition of Grievances.
They still are, Steve, but the specific grievances are different now your average Tomas, Diego and Jose doesn’t think much of women with cocks, some cholo still wet from the Rio Grande taking his job and being pandered to by someone employing his cousin on wages that don’t allow for a decent living due to taxes.
Julia M. wrote ;
“. . . some cholo still wet from the Rio Grande taking his job. . .”
This.
The great majority of Hispanic voters, who are (by definition) mostly legal immigrants, have the exact same economic concerns as all other voters, especially if they are in lower-income lines of work where they can be more-easily supplanted by cheaper illegals. And, of course, nobody sees the imported criminals, drug dealers, gang-bangers and layabouts more clearly than the folks who already live in the Hispanic communities to which they gravitate. This idea that the Democrats have adopted and fostered, that Hispanics already in the country will automatically vote for more immigration, legal or illegal, out of some national identity, has cost them dearly. It will continue to cost them dearly if they continue to listen to the claims of extreme left-wing racial- and national-identity groups.
llater,
llamas
@TMB
“That used to be the case and was certainly the intention but one shouldn’t discount the strong possibility of the Caliphate Party moving onto this ground and replacing Labour.”
Somehow I don’t find that to be a comforting thought.
Julia – I see Trump’s victory as the politics of hope rather than grievance. I.e. the kind of ethnic and sexual grievances the Obama, Biden and Kamala campaigns profited from, pitting ordinary Americans against an entirely imaginary menace of white supremacy and heterosexual patriarchy, no worky no more.
Trump is the antidote to identity politics.
Trump offers real hope, unlike Obama who offered a cool slogan and lots of selfies with celebrities. He’ll probably disappoint some of his voters as always happens, but I don’t think it’ll be for lack of trying to fix America’s many problems.
To paraphrase famous Trump supporter 50 Cent, Trump is a Real Nigga. The Democrats are Bitch Niggas.
What’s the Caliphate Party’s policy on cannabis? I’m not sure I still want to get stoned.
This is bit of a miss “black voters, who were clearly rejecting the first black woman to stand for president.” Black women went 90% for KH, black men went 81% – true, this is down slightly from 2020, but this is rejecting? Given that circumstances are different (inflation, crime, the wave of illegals), perhaps she was at a disadvantage compared to 2020?
Anyhow, 90% & 81% is “rejecting”? The expectation that blacks MUST vote for someone with slightly dark skin is astonishing.
Maybe they noticed she’s only transblack.
Most important election of my lifetime, by a very long way. If Harris had got in she had openly said she was coming for Twitter, Substack, and podcasts, and that is where the information that won the election was shared.
I’ve never been happier to be wrong – I always thought there was a good chance Trump would get more real votes, because of the inflation/covid/transbollocks/Hamas issues and because Kamala was such a twat, but I didn’t think they would let him win.
I thought various fake votes tricks would be pulled again as they were in 2020, when Biden outperformed Obama’s best year by about 25% while (not) campaigning from his basement. (One priority for the new administration should be to find out where those extra 20 million voters came from, and to prosecute the people behind it.)
What I didn’t bargain for was the legal challenges which had been put in place ahead of time for 2024, nor the alertness of everyone from the GOP to ordinary voters, who did spot a few strokes being pulled in bthe run-up and on the night (eg voting machines mysteriously going down again) but were able to shut them down.
The Dems clearly weren’t expecting it either, if the various warnings that it would take weeks to count the votes in various swing states are anything to go on.
Trump is funny and ballsy, but the best thing about this win is people like RFK Jr, Ramaswamy, Vance, Musk, Bannon.
They are young enough, bright enough, knowledgable enough, and pissed off enough to do some of what needs to be done about the Pharma cartel and the Military Industrial Complex and Neocons, and to right some of the egregious wrongs of the last four years.
I’d like to see a few thousand people in jail by this time next year.
I’m particularly interested in Musk’s putative role as slayer of government waste – he seems serious.
I’d also like to see voter ID legislated for; if you collate the states where no voter ID is required they almost exactly map the states which Harris won.
Trump does still have to make it to January though 🙂
@Esteban, who wrote:
” The expectation that blacks MUST vote for someone with slightly dark skin is astonishing.”
Maybe astonishing, but this is a principle at the core of the Democratic party in the US.
For example, consider one Tiffany Henyard. She is the black, Democrat mayor of a majority-black city in the suburbs of Chicago called Dolton, Illinois. Her administration is 100%-black, the workforce of the city is majority-black, there is no lever of power in Dolton that does not have a black hand on it. Democracy at work.
Of late, there has been some question about her spending, her use of city resources,and the giving and recieving of douceurs to obtain favourable city actions. And, when challenged by some members of her 100%-black administration about these matters, this is her response:
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6346445715112
She has nothing else. I’m black, you’re black, how can you possibly do other than support me?
This is the core of large parts of the US Democratic party. Skin colour first, foremost and always, before anything else. It doesn’t bode well. Remember Joe Biden lecturing black folks about how he was going to decide whether or not they were really ‘black’? That’s where this ends up.
llater,
llamas
Interested
Voter ID
Personally I have bno problem with showing my driving licence at a polling station. BUT I also think that it is solving the wrong problem.
By this, i mean that the real problem lies with postal ballots ( see discussion above ) as well as the use of dead/illegal/multiply-counted voters. In order for personation to take place on a large scale requires collusion from the officials ( at the polling booths or the counting house ). If a state is at that stage of corruption, then there is no amount of checks that will prevent it from happening.
I think this is exactly what happened in 2020 and that the Reps got in and forced the various states to clean up their acts – right up until the last minute – to ensure that there was no fraud this time.
Donald Trump can even Make Judaism Great Again:
A few hours later I attended an exclusive, well-heeled party. I spoke to various professionals who said that they had never voted Republican in their lives, but had voted for Trump that day due to his support—in their words—“for the Jews.” These Manhattanites told me that Kamala was too sympathetic to the “pro-Hamas contingent” of the far-Left, and at a time of rising antisemitism, they couldn’t bring themselves to support her. This small group of cosmopolitans represented a contingent far-removed from the stereotypical MAGA voter. And yet listening to their views, it again occurred to me: if I could find such support for Trump in the middle of a Democratic heartland—what might it look like in the rest of the country?
We have the best Jews, don’t we folks?
– What’s the Caliphate Party’s policy on cannabis? I’m not sure I still want to get stoned.
You’ll be alright in the short term, Steve, as they don’t mind making lots of money from us fucking ourselves up.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14042481/How-France-turning-Mexicanized-narco-state-drug-wars-fought-country-teenagers-stabbed-burned-alive-gangsters-breaking-kingpins-custody-daring-ambushes.html
I doubt there are many Mexicans involved; presumably that’s regarded as less raciss than Muhammadanised.
Yes, yes, different drugs, other people’s fault, etc.
In 2020 the US was in lockdown due to the life threatening new variant common cold. The elite were “WFH” while blacks were disproportionately “essential workers”. So it was no surprise that blacks overwhelmingly voted against the incumbent president.
In 2024 the circumstances were reversed. No lockdown but economic stagnation for those in the lower income quartile. Lots of woke / trans BS which blacks dislike. I’m mildly surprised Trump didn’t do better among blacks.
@Otto
Yes, agreed. All voting should be in person, by identifiable persons, save for extremely rare and verifiable instances eg cancer patients in isolation or soldiers serving overseas (where the ID is known anyway).
Paper ballots only, too – the machines are an open invitation to fraud.
The great majority of Hispanic voters, who are (by definition) mostly legal immigrants, have the exact same economic concerns as all other voters, especially if they are in lower-income lines of work where they can be more-easily supplanted by cheaper illegals.
What’s an Hispanic voter legal immigrant? Hispanic is everything from the US border to Tierra del Fuego (Technically omitting Brasil) & some Caribbean islands. I would imagine the majority of legal Hispanic voters are Mex, Cuban (& that’s racially contestable) Purto Ricans, couple of others. To those “Hispanics” Guatemalans, Colombians, Salvadorans, whatever are as foreign as Norwegians would be to Greeks. The only similarity is the language. it’s something one learns mixing with these people. They are different countries with different cultures, some with very different histories. All with their own opinions about each other. There is no “Hispanic” apart from the common language. And not necessarily even that. Most Paraguayans are as comfortable in Guarani as they are in Spanish. Same’s true of several nationalities with second Indio languages.
Oh & my apologies to Guayanans, Belizians & a couple of others for leaving them out.
I read somewhere, possibly a link on here, that Dems using the term LatinX to cover all brown skinned people really pissed them off, but not only that they hated the idea of their gendered language rules were being rewritten by whites who had no idea about their language.
I couldn’t bear to watch all of this. Its that appalling news agent woman sneeringly reading a list of voter groups and how much they’ve move towards Trump.
It never occurs to elites that those people who have to live with the consequences of the election get their news unfiltered by elites and might have more knowledge about which way to vote than they do.
https://x.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1854193134625837060
@Steve
What’s the Caliphate Party’s policy on cannabis? I’m not sure I still want to get stoned.
The Caliphate Party is enthusiastic about you getting stoned. The only thing is, they use real rocks.
PJF – Yes, yes, different drugs, other people’s fault, etc.
You’ve got a bee in your bonnet about Islamic drug lords. All my drugs are now 100% legally purchased and delivered to my door via Royal Mail. No criminals involved, just doctors, pharmacists, entrepreneurs and farmers. All your neighbours could be on the wacky baccy and you wouldn’t know.
Prior to that, I bought from a mate who’s an old hippy with green thumbs. Guy can roll a magical joint and I don’t think he’s met any Albanians in his life. His stuff is very good and I was grateful for mates rates, but he can’t compete with the professional growers. The legal stuff is superb quality and cheaper than street prices. There’s a big menu of choices too.
You think of weed as something bad and illicit, but there’s a great variety of plants offering the same kind of gourmet experiences fine wines do. It’s very silly of the authorities to allow criminals to make money off this stuff, the free market is better.
@BiND
Particuarly as “X” is voiced as “ch” in Spanish. Stick on the masculine “o” ending, double it & you have the Spanish for cunt.
MG – I feel like they’d chill out if they got Chinese eyed.
You mystify me, Steve. As far as I’m aware weed is still an illegal drug in the UK, providing it’s one of the strains contains significant amounts of THC. So there is no legal supply of it yourabouts. Your hippy grower was a criminal on two counts. Cultivation & supply. If you’re receiving it by post, there’s a third offence of sending illegal materials via Royal Mail. And of course, you for possession or seeking to possess.
Here in Spain possession or cultivation of small amounts* is decriminalised, but supply is still illegal & people regularly get banged up for that & possession of large quantities.
As far as I’m concerned, weed is the one drug I really don’t like. Turns regular, particularly heavy, users into dangerous morons. I can put up with charlie. Just turns natural cunts into bigger cunts. E’s/MDMA are pretty harmless. Odd thing with the Big H is that most addicts can live quite functional lives. Their problems are on the supply side & the cost.
* Bit of at police discretion that one is. One’s told growing three plants for personal use is acceptable, so maybe ½ to a kilo would be OK in October but possibly not in May. Personally, I wouldn’t. Having that on the premises might give El Plod incentive to go looking for other things. And El Plod has history for finding things people didn’t even know they had. As has Messrs Plod, for that matter.
@BiS – you are right, of course, in your breakdown of ‘Hispanic’ into many widely-disparate groups. But let’s not get bogged down in definitions. I used ‘Hispanic’ as a catch-all for a large grouping of folks that one might generally describe as being from ‘Mexico and the northern nations of South America’, who have, until very recently, made up the great majority of immigrants to the US. I won’t use the made-up political term ‘Latino’. Immigration from Cuba and the Caribbean is trivial, and I’m not sure why you include Puerto Rico at all.
It’s the Democrats who insist on seeing this wide-ranging demographic (as you rightly point out) as a homogenous entity with a single ethnic impulse to support immigration to the exclusion of all other motivations. My point (and I do have one) is that legal immigrants (and even a fair number of illegals) from the diverse demographic have far-more compelling economic interests in common, even if their ethnic and cultural backgrounds are quite varied. Juan and Consuelo don’t care if the wet cholo climbing out of the Rio Grande began his journey in Jalisco, or Venezuela, or El Salvador – his threat to their economic interests is the same regardless.
llater,
llamas
there’s a great variety of plants offering the same kind of gourmet experiences fine wines do.
Ah! The magic mushrooms. When I used to visit the wilds of Essex, brewing up MM tea was a common harmless middle-class pursuit. Bloke put himself in intensive care with liver failure doing that.
– You’ve got a bee in your bonnet about Islamic
drug lords.I’ve altered your quote to make it more appropriate. I am a bit bothered by regular drug criminals but ultimately they are people who can be reasoned with so can be persuaded to stop. Islamics, not so much.
– You think of weed as something bad and illicit . . .
The hallucinogenic effects do not extend to mind reading. As a salesman and skilled purveyor of the most underhand and opportunistic rhetorical devices in pursuit of an online argument, I would have thought you’d recognise what I’m up to. There really is no need explain your arrangements, though I am pleased you are no longer legally vulnerable.
Perhaps you owe it your hippy mate to quietly warn him about “Albanians”. Their networks increase and if he makes money selling drugs he will eventually be “met”.
I wouldn’t say immigration from Cuba was trivial, Llamas. I know a lot of Cubans here & they tie in with the US’s sizeable Cuban community. Big one in Florida, isn’t there?
I only mentioned PR because of the notorious garbage gag. Being Spanish speakers they’d be notionally Hispanic & the US has a PR community. But again, they’re not going to identify with Guatamalans or Colombians.
Essentially, I’m supporting your position on the illegal immigrants issue. Why the Dems would think legal Latinos would support illegal Hispanic immigrants just shows how little the Dems understand their own potential voters. There’s a similar thing here. Most of the SA’s I know have legal residence or have obtained Spanish nationality. They don’t look too kindly on the paperless we have floating around here. They’ve gone to the trouble & pay their taxes & they don’t like being given a bad name.
BiS – You mystify me, Steve. As far as I’m aware weed is still an illegal drug in the UK,
That’s because you haven’t listened when I explained that medical cannabis has been legal in the UK since 2018. It doesn’t matter how much THC is in it.
Ah! The magic mushrooms. When I used to visit the wilds of Essex, brewing up MM tea was a common harmless middle-class pursuit
The Druids were constantly fucked up on mushies, that’s how we got Stonedhenge.
PJF – I would have thought you’d recognise what I’m up to
I’ve no idea, but I’d never dob you in to the cops.
Perhaps you owe it your hippy mate to quietly warn him about “Albanians”. Their networks increase and if he makes money selling drugs he will eventually be “met”.
Are we naggers?
Are we in Inglewood?
No. White people who know the difference between good shit and bad shit, this is the house they come to.
PS – BiS, drug talk:
As far as I’m concerned, weed is the one drug I really don’t like. Turns regular, particularly heavy, users into dangerous morons. I can put up with charlie
Never known anyone who has gone off the rails on green, but I know people who have fucked up their lives on coke.
one of the strains contains significant amounts of THC
THC is overrated. I prefer the lower strength strains (tho they’re still 25% THC) with more CBD for a happier, sociable, less monged high. A lot of people are obsessed with getting the most THC per puff, which reminds me of people who get fucked up on cheap cider because it’s the same mentality. They’re missing out.
E’s/MDMA are pretty harmless. Odd thing with the Big H is that most addicts can live quite functional lives.
You think cocaine, eccies and skag are ok, but not a bit of puff? Did a pothead steal your dog or something? You have a unique view on the relative dangers of drugs.
Tell you what though, I’d never try DMT. You can get lost in that stuff. There are monsters lurking in the id.
“BiS – You mystify me, Steve. As far as I’m aware weed is still an illegal drug in the UK,”
Come one folks… legality has been…. irrelevant in the UK since at least my Student Days in the early ’90’s when I was couch-surfing the UK…
Porn was More Bad, which is why it was my chosen method of….Exchange.. in the days..
What really surprises me is that BiS makes an issue of this, given the snippets of his Youf he shared here.
And I thought I had a Naughty Track Record…. 😛
But sorry Steve… People have gone Off the Rails on Green.. Regularly so in my many-chequered life.
The fact that the …Industry…. has aimed for ever more potent cultivars to “fit” transport rules in places where things were allowed didn’t help…
But honestly… If the Rules only allow you to carry 200 grams for commercial purposes, you will find that peeps will figure out how to carry as much as the effective substance per gram… Period.
Which is why you got Killer Skunk at 65% THC in the buds. Defintely not for the Uninitiated, yet freely availably in Amsterdam….
An actual question for the US-ians here…
What the hell is up with New Mexico? Where they are, what they’re dealing with, and ….stuff…..
Why are they firmly Democrat? At levels that defy the national trends. What’s different there?
What really surprises me is that BiS makes an issue of this, given the snippets of his Youf he shared here.
I’ve always had a rule, Steve. Before you get involved with criminality, understand what the law is. I’m totally indifferent to the rights & wrongs of laws relating to drugs. Like I am to most laws. It’s just, through experience, I don’t much like being around people using them. Your high is someone else’s pain in the neck.
I very much doubt you’ll get skunk at 65% THC in the buds. Somebody been winding you up? More like 0.065%. Even in hash oil it’s nothing like that.
New Mexico is the US equivalent of Glastonbury (or Woodstock, NY), where aged hippies go to die. Not sure what the NL equivalent would be.
Incidentally, regarding the strength of drugs. That’s the problem isn’t it. One knows where one is with alcohol. It says on the tin. You just don’t know with drugs. Not the strength or necessarily even the quantity. Since I’ve very good contacts I can easily lay my hands on 100% pure charlie. The street stuff’s maybe 50% if you’re lucky. You can imagine what can happen to people who aren’t used to it..
And since it’s illegal, there’s no real etiquettes surrounding drugs. We know where we are with alcohol. What’s an acceptable social drinking, party drinking, lads out on a jolly drinking etc. When & where. There isn’t anything like that for drugs for either quantity or time of day or place. I really don’t want the brakes on my car replaced by some dope head off his head on spliffs.
Can anyone explain New Mexico to me please?
I always thought the inhabitants were gun-totin’, pick-up-driving redneck republican libertarians. The sort PJ O’Rourke would have liked to be, but they’d regard him as a metropolitan wuss.
Was I just wrong, or has it changed.
Also Colorado; I imagined its only inhabitants were wiry, bearded fellows panning for gold. And yet there they are, the two staunchly Kamala voters in what’s otherwise looking like a sea of Trumpers.
I can understand Nevada & Arizona having people moving out of California who are dim enough to vote for more of what they’ve just fled, but NM and Colorado don’t border Cali.
The leftwards shift for New Mexico would have begun as a consequence of WWII. As well as increased resource extraction, the Manhattan Project and associated military activity brought a lot of federal inverstment. The secret hi-tech stuff stuck around for the Cold War and the population doubled between 1940 and 1960 with loads of north easterners following the federal money and finding parts of the state very pleasant to live in. A lot of retirees head there, again due to the pleasant climate. The Latin population also increased and has continued to do so; it is now the largest ethnic group. Despite the hi-tech angle, the state is the second poorest (bits dirt poor) and receives three times as much federal cash as it sends. That adds up to a lot of left.
Colorado is more complicated, requiring more research.
For a long time, the population of New Mexico was evenly split, thanks to the Mahattan Project: one half were communists and the other half their Soviet handlers.
My comment about “NM is the US equivalent of Glastonbury” really only applies to Albuquerque and environs. But that’s where the majority of people in the state live. I’m sure if you go up country, you can find plenty of rootin’ tootin’ gun-carryin’ God-fearin’ types in the Chihuauhuan desert, but Albuquerque is all Chakra beads and Tarot readings.