Mr Trump ran on a platform of cutting a swathe of taxes, pledging to remove taxes from tips, overtime pay and social security. He had also pledged to reduce the corporate tax rate from 21 per cent to 15 per cent.
It’s not wholly obvious that everything promised during the course of the campaign is a wholly sensible policy. That’s true of every election of course but still.
He could also face opposition from his own party, with some fiscal conservatives having previously voiced concerns about how he would expand the federal deficit.
Currently, what, 8% of GDP? Which is, you know, quite high, really. We’d all have to have a lot of faith that ew’re on he wrong side of the Laffer peak if cutting is what is to be done. Cutting income that is, rather than spending.
The Republican has also called for eliminating the cap on the state and local tax deduction, which could add an additional $1.2 trillion in US debt.
That, for example, should run the other way. Eliminate the deduction, not the cap. Hits higher paid people in Blue states worst – liberals, so why not?
Re. the cap on state and local tax reduction. As I remember, it was Trump who initially put that cap in place to stop states/municipalities from diverting federal taxes to their own coffers. And, as I recall, it was those blue states (like California, New York..) who cried the most about this.
Yep. And holding out the abolition of the cap was not a bad electoral strategy for said Blue States. But actually raising it would be a bad idea. Abolish instead, the entire deduction.
If you vote for high-tax high-spend state/city governments, why should federal taxpayers in more prudent states subsidise you?
Social liberals are only patriotic when they can access a fellow citizens pocket book. In all other situations they regard their fellow citizens with utter contempt.
Let Elon rip with the chainsaw – cut the spending.
My big fear is that he’s going to end up in REALLY hot water with the mass deportations. The Ds have been banging on for ever about how minorities are entirely unable to produce any ID in order to be able to vote. How then will the Donald and his – let’s face it – minimum wage enforcers on the ground scoop up all these illegals without having a Windrush scandal on his hands in short order?
The MSM are butt hurt really really badly: they’re going to be all over the sob stories of families being broken up, mis-identified people being wrongly deported, yada yada yada.
Either that, or he’ll need to have a positively DDR-style operation with everyone informing on everyone else, with the appalling damage to everyone’s trust in each other that that inevitably creates.
If they’re born in the country, they’ll have a birth certificate.
If they’re naturalised, they’ll have a citizenship certificate.
If they have entered legally, they’ll have an entry certificate.
Otherwise, load the deportation cannon.
@The Pedant-General
Let Elon rip with the chainsaw – cut the spending.
Agree totally.
My big fear is that he’s going to end up in REALLY hot water with the mass deportations. The Ds have been banging on for ever about how minorities are entirely unable to produce any ID in order to be able to vote.
But people know this is a lie.
You need ID to hire a car, buy a beer, rent an apartment.
All legal citizens already have ID.
And part of what this election just showed is that legally immigrated ‘minorities’ eg Hispanics and black Yanks who’ve lived there for generations have finally begun to realise that the incomers are more likely to rape their daughters, murder their sons, mug them, shake them down, and steal their jobs than they are the jobs of people who live in the Hamptons, and who chide them – black and brown Americans – for their ‘racism’ in noticing any of this.
The Dems’ racial hold on those black and browns is starting to slip.
The other thing people have clearly realised is that the media are massive fucking lying cunts.
It is unfortunately the case that any removals will cost billions and involved a lot of hardship and cause some number of deaths.
But not doing it will cost billions and involved a lot of hardship and cause some number of deaths and also constitutes the practical end of the law and even the country as defined by all previous standards.
How then will the Donald and his – let’s face it – minimum wage enforcers on the ground scoop up all these illegals without having a Windrush scandal on his hands in short order?
One way would be to encourage them to self-deport.
Start actually jailing people for employing them, given that it’s against the law.
You live in the Upper East Side and you have an illegal live-in couple from Honduras to clean your bog? They’re going to be deported, and you are going to jail for six months. You’re also going to have to sell your townhouse to pay the cost of deporting them, which will involve a nice resettlement package for them, because we wouldn’t want to be unkind.
You’re the chief exec of Target and you turn a blind eye to illegals working in your business. Jail for you!
You’re a big money fund which bought up swathes of farm land and employed illegals? Off you go!
Ditto anyone who houses them, heads of schools which educate them, chief execs of hospitals which treat them etc etc
No-one says it would be easy or pleasant, and it would definitely cause inflation.
But that might be offset by not having Venezuelan street gangs and Mexican cartelistas running your towns and cities.
This is a kind of undeclared war against our societies, and we need to react accordingly. It’s going to be hard. But the big problem in the west is we have begun to believe we just can’t do stuff like this because Owen Jones and his US equivalents say we can’t.
Actually, we can.
The MSM are butt hurt really really badly: they’re going to be all over the sob stories of families being broken up, mis-identified people being wrongly deported, yada yada yada.
No-one cares about them any more. They’ve spent eight years defaming the twat and delivered him a five million lead in the popular vote, plus the Presidency, the House and the Senate.
All that said, I would audit them good and hard, and impose taxes on them – green taxes perhaps, to reflect all the trees they chop down to print their shit.
Either that, or he’ll need to have a positively DDR-style operation with everyone informing on everyone else, with the appalling damage to everyone’s trust in each other that that inevitably creates.
Half the country already doesn’t trust the other half. The sensible half needs to pull together and ignore the idiots, like parents doing what’s best for their screaming children.
Interested,
These are all fair points, but…. but….
“But not doing it will cost billions and involved a lot of hardship and cause some number of deaths and also constitutes the practical end of the law and even the country as defined by all previous standards.”
What is not seen etc. This is the bit a) that is currently being denied and critically b) whose improvement will not be seen.
What he’s marching into is the media showing pictures of crying children and people in uniform doing baton charges on brown people. They will then say “look at this: we told he was a fascist. We told you so and you didn’t listen”
That’s how this will play in the first instance.
Most importantly, the illegals he’s going to find first – and are the most likely to be deported more easily – are the actually useful, ~law-abiding ones who are doing hard, manual, low paid work. They’ll go first because they can be found. The Hiatian cat eaters and Venezuelan gangs will put up a fight and won’t be afraid to.
That’s going to cause massive disruption – qua Brexit – of cheap labour vanishing, leaving crops rotting in the fields etc. The disruption is necessary but he’s going to have a shit time – the disruption will take some years to work its way through the system.
Maggie Thatcher spent the years leading up to the 79 election preparing the intellectual ground and making the hard principled case that there was going to have to be major disruption in order to get back onto a better course. I fear the Donald has not done enough of this.
Remember Trump wanted to sign a free trade deal with the UK after Brexit and the Tories sniggered at him?
Well, he’s baaaaaack:
Trump tariffs ‘should ring alarm bells for British exports’
Exports have warned that Donald Trump’s pre-election pledge to implement a tariff of 10-20 per cent on US imports could hit tens of billions of pounds of UK exports.
Harrison Griffiths from the Institute of Economic Affairs told US news site Politico that the potential toll should “ring alarm bells” for UK businesses.
Marco Forgione, head of the Chartered Institute of Export & International Trade, said: “Trump has by his own admission been a fan of the UK, but we shouldn’t just rest on our laurels and assume that there won’t be implications for UK producers.”
The US is Britain’s biggest export markets for goods. In the year leading up to August 2024, UK businesses exported £58.3 billion worth of goods to the US.
It comes as Sir Keir Starmer faces pressure over past comments made by senior Labour figures regarding Donald Trump, which include Foreign Secretary David Lammy calling the US president-elect a “sociopath” and “Nazi sympathiser”.
I hope he makes the CBI scream and scream and scream.
How then will the Donald and his – let’s face it – minimum wage enforcers on the ground scoop up all these illegals without having a Windrush scandal on his hands in short order?
Faggots worry about “scandals”, what are they gonna do – call him Hitler again?
Deportation machine go brrrr!
That confected scandal where some immigrants that had outstayed their permission to be here (because in all that time they hadn’t bothered to go through the formalities of naturalisation) were asked to leave?
If Treeza May wasn’t a worthless flap of old (scrotal) skin somebody plastered makeup on, she’d have leaned into the Windrush “scandal” and become more popular.
The British people do not reverence the Windrush or Grenfell, we do not want or celebrate diversity, we want deportations.
I would advise to remember Trump is a poker player not a chess master. There are no pieces on the board to analyse, just the indeterminate reverse sides of the cards. Don’t listen to what he says, watch what he does.
As much as I adore the Great Man, he does tend to “think out loud” as one of my friends put it and tosses out ideas that haven’t been thought through. No tax on tips seems like a silly proposal, ditto for overtime and Soc Sec. A friend accused me of heresy for doubting no tax on tips & I pointed out that members of our military pay taxes on their income, but not the blue haired barista?
Re: deportations, this will necessarily be a much more gradual process than it’s been widely described. As with 2016, he didn’t build the full wall as promised, but he created the most secure border we’ve had in decades, mostly through policies like Remain in Mexico. They’ll start with gang members, anyone with a criminal conviction, etc. Better border enforcement and self-deportation will do a lot of work. I can’t believe the admin would try mass deportation, if it worked the economic impact would be horrible.
One thing I’ve not heard in the hue and cry is the answer to “who will pick the crops” – answer: legal immigrants. If our representatives conclude we need 200k farm workers & 300k hotel maids, 600k restaurant employees, 250k roofers, etc., fine let’s have people apply, vet them, etc. The main problem with our current situation is not immigration, it’s uncontrolled immigration. We might still argue about how many & whether they’re a net positive, but we’ll handle it through the legal process, what a concept.
Esteban – One thing I’ve not heard in the hue and cry is the answer to “who will pick the crops”
To listen to these fucks, you’d think nobody harvested any crops, delivered a pizza, or mopped a floor before our governments decided to kill us with immigration.
Our economic policy for people who want cheap, taxpayer funded foreign labour should be helicopter rides. Try enjoying being rich when you’re heading for the North Sea at terminal velocity.
“minimum wage enforcers”.
There are *no* enforcers that make only minimum wage, or anywhere near it.
People believe the craziest things. Like the protagonist of “Breaking Bad” being unable to afford cancer treatments due to it “not being covered”. He’s a #$%#$% high school teacher! He’s got the most gold-plated insurance plan on the planet! Of course it’s covered!
“no tax on tips”
He’s probably floating that idea at least partly because it’s really hard to collect the right amount of tax, when a lot of it is in cash. It may even take more money to employ the enforcers to audit the waiters than they collect in tax on the tips.
Military pays tax because it’s easy to collect. It’s all in the government’s own systems after all.
Admittedly, why they collect tax on wages they pay out in the first place is another matter. I’m guessing because otherwise people will see it as “not fair”. Possibly also otherwise there are games you could play between taxed and untaxed income.
@The Pedant-General
These are all fair points, but…. but….
What he’s marching into is the media showing pictures of crying children and people in uniform doing baton charges on brown people. They will then say “look at this: we told he was a fascist. We told you so and you didn’t listen”
Like I say, help them to self deport. But yep, it won’t be easy. I just think you may be underestimating how pissed off people are and how little faith they have in the media. The same media which will show them picture of crying children has just spent eight years calling Trump Hitler… and in doing so put him in the White House.
It’s very easy for Trump to mandate use of the E-Verify system to ensure employers only employ legal workers. Then use those 85,000 new IRS agents to look at payroll records. This will start the self deportation and spur employers to help it along. The red states will not have a social safety net, which will encourage self deportation either out of the country or to blue sanctuary states. Besides, Trump will also have enough to do deporting the hundreds of thousands of criminal aliens.
“The same media which will show them picture of crying children has just spent eight years calling Trump Hitler… and in doing so put him in the White House.”
True – because they couldn’t back it up – it was nonsense. This time though, they’ll have the images to match – he really will look like a Hitler.
This time though, they’ll have the images to match – he really will look like a Hitler.
Do people really fall for that shit though? It’s like fotos of forlorn polar bears on ice flows. They buy into it because they’ve already bought into the concept. Does it really change people’s minds? People know you can always find a crying child to photograph.
TPD – Hitler isn’t Hitler till it happens in your heart.
Trump just won the popular vote, he can do whatever he wants.
Interested –
The same media which will show them picture of crying children has just spent eight years calling Trump Hitler… and in doing so put him in the White House.
The same media that cheered on rioters burning and looting American cities and wanted to put people in camps for not getting the jabs.
I just think you may be underestimating how pissed off people are
Nota benny Senor Trump also just won the Latino vote. Yuge! He could declare himself El Caudillo now, and the American majority would still be with him.
– Nota benny Senor Trump also just won the Latino vote.
Where are you getting this from, Steve. When I looked last night it seemed he was in the low fortys.
– fortys
ffsies
Not at all. Families can be deported together.
As for “wrongful deportations”, people will be free to appeal once they’ve returned to their home countries.
🙂
Go Drumpf!
PJF – I’ll quote you the LA Times:
An NBC News exit poll of voters in 10 states — including Arizona, Florida and Texas, which have huge number of Latinos — showed Trump capturing 55% of the Latino male vote. It’s the first time the demographic has sided with a Republican in a presidential election.
In an exit poll by Edison Research, Latino male support for Trump skyrocketed from 36% in 2020 to 54% this year. Meanwhile, CNN tracked a 42% swing toward the Republican candidate from 2016 to 2024 — by far the most dramatic change of any group.
Yuge! Senor Tromp is the first Hispanic President.
So Trump won the Latino vote but not the Latina vote.
Those chicas will come over when they see me making money, esse.
NB – Trump’s polling with women has always been softer with women than with men.
On a colour scale, Trump wins a small majority of white women (53%, so Trump is officially more popular with Latino men than he is with white girls – let that sink in, Elon) and his polling numbers just get worse the darker they are. Him capturing the white Mom vote again was another amazement, because the Dems ran a woman and ran hard with muh vagina and muh Handmaid’s Tale messages. They didn’t move the needle at all, conservative Moms held their ground.
PPS – when you search for demographic data in the 2024 election, you repeatedly come across articles discussing which groups are to “blame” for electing Trump.
Trump just won the popular vote, 73,607,926 real live Americans got off their asses to vote for him, and the media is like “Are we out of touch? No… it’s the voters who are wrong.”
Steve
With regard to the BLM riots, I do wonder if Trump’ll pardon Derek Chauvin. As I understand it, the hold he used on George Floyd was standard procedure. While I’d deem him guilty of manslaughter, I think murder is a bit too much.
– So Trump won the Latino vote but not the Latina vote.
Sneaky.
PJF – no, not sneaky, the Dems were just thinking about electoral demographics all wrong.* They were creaming themselves on TV at high Puerto Rican turnout, only for it to emerge Puerto Ricans were turning out for Trump. Trump also won 90% Muslim areas of Michigan.
Trump has singlehandedly narrowed the racial gap between the parties more than was previously thought possible. The new electoral divisions in the US are more about class and sex than skin colour.
*The Dems think of racial minorities as nonwhite NPCs who owe them votes.
Bboy – I wouldn’t have thought so but he should. I don’t see anyone in a position of power advocating for Chauvin tho.
@Bloke in Wales – “That confected scandal where some immigrants that had outstayed their permission to be here …”
No. The very real scandal where some citizens whose entitlement to live here was as good as anyone else’s wer forced to leave. These were people whose migration at the time was of no more consequence than that of someone today who was born and lived in Glasgow all their life deciding to move to Birmingham. It was also at a time when the national sentiment was that is was thoroughly unacceptable to demand people prove their rights and officials demanding “Papers, please!” was considered completely unacceptable.
@Esteban – “let’s have people apply, vet them”
That’s just another manifestation of the central planning approach where officials decide where you can work, who you can employ, what trades you can undertake, what buildings you can build or modify etc. The only criteria for emplyment should be wether the person can do the job and how much they want in return. lot of the anti-immigrant feeling comes from people who want to do less work, get paid more, or both and feel threatened by people who are essentially better workers.
– “We might still argue about how many & whether they’re a net positive, but we’ll handle it through the legal process, what a concept.”
We have a method which has been proven to work well for conducting such evaluations – the free market. We have other methods involving bureaucracy, offical judgements etc which do not work. We should stick with the methods which work.