The office of the DNI and the NIC’s work on Covid-19 origins “complied with all of the intelligence community’s analytic standards, including objectivity,” the spokeswoman said.
OK, good. Standards were followed. Great. What was the outcome?
The National Intelligence Council (NIC), a body of senior intelligence officers that organised the review, had concluded with “low confidence” that Covid-19 had been transmitted from an animal to a human, along with four intelligence agencies.
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The FBI had not only concluded a lab leak was likely but that it had “moderate confidence” in its assessment – more than any other agency – and had expected to make this case to the White House but no officials from the agency were invited to do so.
So, following standards and procedures meant that the wrong answer was presented up the line and the correct answer was suppressed.
Which means that those procedures – however well they were obeyed – need looking at, right?
“So, following standards and procedures meant that the wrong answer was presented up the line and the correct answer was suppressed.”
Oh no…. The correct answer is perfectly well known..
Lab escape from chinese gain-of-function research in a large part subsidised by the US through the vehicle of the legal/foundation arm of one of the most influential Medical Voices and Apparatchiks to circumvent the Law and Sanctions.
Egg on face all around, so everybody pretends it never happened. Can’t upset the Status Quo now, can we?
It’s one of the things DOGE needs to look into, and probably will. Much Hilarity Will Ensue when it starts to do that..
Shirley it arrived at the correct answer.
The whole point of inquiries and investigations by government bodies is to find out what happened but arrive at the politically expedient result.
“Take a bat home for the weekend.” Not an experiment in employee morale that these labs will repeat, though.
Just make sure your pet pangolin is up to date with its boosters, eh?
Is it just me or am I hearing a lot of stories from friends and family this Christmas about how their health issues just happen to have appeared/got worse not long after they had covid booster shots? I’ve had to bite my tongue a number of times over the festive period as people have relayed some tale of medical woe, either theirs or a close family member/friend, and the point of origin has been early autumn…….
I have been pondering why almost every Western government lost its head over Covid even though we all knew by late Feb 2020 – courtesy of the Diamond Princess – that healthy working age people were at no risk of death but that frail codgers were. (Presumably the figures from Lombardy and Spain likewise showed that healthy babies, infants, children, and youths were similarly at no risk.)
I wonder whether the hysteria happened because the lab work was devoted to developing bioweapons, American or Chinese or both.
I’m a great sceptic about bioweapons – how the devil do you kill your enemies without killing your own? (Maybe they would make sense if they killed the enemy’s livestock but not your own, though I’m hard pressed to think of an example.) That, however, wouldn’t stop fools trying to develop them nor those fools letting them escape from labs. And the very word “bioweapon” probably scares the pants off politicians immediately. Anyhoo there’s my speculation.
Not that it changes my own policy: arrest, charge, try, convict, sentence, hang.
“And the very word “bioweapon” probably scares the pants off politicians immediately.”
Most of the weapons humanity have developed where the reaction is “BAN IT” are of the same type.
– crossbows made the armored knight too vulnerable.
– chemical weapons have a chance to kill generals, and the protective equipment makes you look silly and hides your decorations.
– biologicals kill a (small) portion of the entire population exposed. More so if you’re old and fat, so more likely to kill a politician than a private
– nuclear weapons? Most of them (particularly the Soviet ones) were so inaccurate the only reasonable target was a city. At which point you kill a large portion of the population – including any politicians that happen to be there.
Also – concluding that it was an escaped biological weapon would put pressure on the US to possibly react to that. Since they’ve made noises in the past about biological weapons being the same as nuclear weapons in terms of attack response.
While accidental transmission from animals? “Oh, eating exotic animals is just part of their culture. Reacting to that is bigotry. You don’t want to be called a bigot, do you?”
Anybody else remember the “Hug a Chinese for their New Year” back in the first couple of months of the nonsense?
dearieme: « …we all knew by late Feb 2020 – courtesy of the Diamond Princess – that healthy working age people were at no risk of death but that frail codgers were… »
…at some risk although even then only a handful handed in their dinner-pail.
I think in the UK a crucial event was Big Fat Boris going into ICU with it. This showed that middle-aged blokes with bellies (of which there are quite a lot, especially Diverse ones) could get it badly, and also seems to have radically altered Boris’s approach, too. He was much less sceptical of ‘the science’ afterwards.
Is it just me or am I hearing a lot of stories from friends and family this Christmas about how their health issues just happen to have appeared/got worse not long after they had covid booster shots? I’ve had to bite my tongue a number of times over the festive period as people have relayed some tale of medical woe, either theirs or a close family member/friend, and the point of origin has been early autumn…….
My guess is that its you because you’re a bit of an obsessive on this subject*, which doesn’t mean you’re wrong but does bring plenty of biases in to play.
Old people got the booster, the booster is given late autumn and old people start getting sick in late autumn and it is now accepted that the booster is the same as the flu vaccine: It isn’t sterilising and doesn’t doesn’t stop you getting the infection but if you do it can reduce symptoms.
We’ll have to wait until the end of winter to see the death rates amongst the jabbed and un jabbed, but my guess is nobody will both looking because the vast majority of the population accepts that vaccinations carry some risk but they are far outweighed by the benefits.
*As an example Graham Thorpe jumped in front of a train nut you immediately reached for post Covid vaccine dropping dead syndrome as the reason.
BiND
I think, personally, that if The Jab was going to harm one, it would have already done so. By that I mean, the original Covid vaccine would have caused an adverse effect and subsequent boosters would also do so, but with steaily decreasing results.
My late Mum was very ill after her initial jab and booster and we stopped her takng them afterwards. The nurses who visted her to adminsiter her medication used to bring all sorts of lurgies in with them.
Because I have the same metabolism as she had, I refused to have the jab and have remained quite healthy apart from some grottiness caught at Munich Airport last year.
It is clear that the vaccines do not prevent one fromm catching Covid. At absolute best, it will make the symptoms milder, but most likely it will do nothing. As for those less fortunate…
“As an example Graham Thorpe jumped in front of a train nut you immediately reached for post Covid vaccine dropping dead syndrome as the reason.”
True. But if the media actually reported what had happened instead of ‘man does suddenly’ type reporting there wouldn’t be the confusion as to what could have happened. Rather on a similar basis to ‘men of no appearance’ type reporting, nowadays when someone is declared to have ‘died suddenly’ my natural inclination is to wonder if vaccines were involved.
I’d never heard of Bell’s palsy in my life until people started getting mystery jabs.
The jabs do seem to have killed quite a lot of sporty young people who died of sudden heart problems, another thing I’d never seen before the novel not-vaccines.
As for long term effects, pass. People who remained pureblood passed the biggest elective IQ test in history, everyone else must take their chances. Sorry, but we did warn you.
I think the most important question for people who took one or more jabs is: what, if anything, have you learned? Are you going to be a sucker next time too?
dearieme 12:16
Everyone says bio-weapons are a terrible thing and likely to blow back and should be banned etc. Which is all very well until someone in mad, bad or desperate enough to think this time it might just work. So all governments research —just for defence of course— while keeping quiet about it. And if you can get the putative enemy to enter a collaboration… we won’t of course tell then everything and we don’t expect they will share all the result, but something of what they are up to might slip out from under all the obfuscation.
And thus:
Otto,
It is clear that the vaccines do not prevent one fromm catching Covid. At absolute best, it will make the symptoms milder, but most likely it will do nothing. As for those less fortunate…
See also flu vaccine, some years its only 30% efficient and reducing symptoms but I still take it because I’ve had full on flu and anything that reduces it by only 30% is worth getting.
The main thing is that we can each make our own decision and that for me was the problem with Covid the moral, even quasi legal, pressure driven by the government and BBC played in to the hands of natural sceptics, of which I was one and it took a while before I was happy to get the vaccine. Immense harm done all round.
And all these fit, young sportspeople dropping like flies!
“ And all these fit, young sportspeople dropping like flies!”
If there’s so many it should be easy to provide data that correlates with Covid vaccine implementation.
BiND – well, there is data. Excess mortality rates increased after the Covid jabs.
“Excess mortality rates increased after the Covid jabs”
Well they did, until the government changed the way they calculated excess mortality, at the end of 2023. Which promptly changed the excess death rate from positive to negative, ie there was a step change from more deaths than expected to less.
Funny that.
The main thing is that we can each make our own decision and that for me was the problem with Covid the moral, even quasi legal, pressure driven by the government and BBC played in to the hands of natural sceptics, of which I was one and it took a while before I was happy to get the vaccine. Immense harm done all round.
You saw all the pressure and bullshit and had access to all the information and later on, after all of that, you decided to let the cunts stick you?
Most… unusual.
“ BiND – well, there is data. Excess mortality rates increased after the Covid jabs.”
Source?
See also flu vaccine, some years its only 30% efficient and reducing symptoms but I still take it because I’ve had full on flu and anything that reduces it by only 30% is worth getting.
So do I, but you must remember that the majority of “‘flu” cases aren’t the result of influenza infections. There are numerous nasties that can produce “influenza-like illnesses” (ILIs), including rhinoviruses and our old friend Covid, and unless each patient has a blood sample analysed, it’s impossible to know how many ‘flu cases are actually caused by influenza and could thus have been prevented (or, at least, reduced in severity) by a ‘flu vaccine.
Carl Heneghen (Oxford Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine) has written on the topic in his Trust the Evidence substack.