His pragmatic U-turn allowed him to exploit public fears by claiming in the recent European election that Asian Muslims were sexually grooming white girls.
Looking through the archives of The Times. That’s from 2009. The paper did a lot of good work in 2012 etc on the subject. But I just wanted to see what had been reported about what Grifin had said, if anything. This isn;t a rigorous search, just a skim.
His election victory speech:
and what he described as the scandal of criminal Asian paedophile gangs who are grooming young white girls for “sex, drugs and prostitution”.
Reporting on that election win:
The first issue had already landed in his in-tray, he said. He aimed to use his public profile to highlight the sexual grooming of white girls by what he calls groups of Asian paedophiles. Asked whether such tactics represent a return to the dark ages, he replied: “Not if you talk to the families of young girls who have been through this. A girl aged 12 years old is someone’s little girl and a year later she is just a crack whore. That is the dark ages. It is absolutely brutal.”
And, well:
Mr Griffin rejected suggestions that the BNP’s success would lead to the “rivers of blood” envisaged by Enoch Powell. “The divisions are already there. They were created by that monstrous experiment: the multi-cultural destruction of old Britain. There is no clash between the indigenous population and, for instance, settled West Indians, Sikhs and Hindus. There is, however, an enormous correlation between high BNP votes and nearby Islamic populations. The reason for that is nothing to do with Islamophobia; it is issues such as the grooming of young English girls for sex by a criminal minority of the Muslim population.
Here’s the thing. It really was happening, wasn’t it?
And here’s the difficulty about it. Over and above that it was happening etc.
If you deny, suppress, what is happening, if the system won’t acknowledge nor deal with, then people will go outside that system to get it dealt with. People are indeed going outside the traditional political structures, parties. Why? Well, see back a sentence or two.
And here’s a little thought. What do we think would have happened if Aneurin Bevan, or Ernest Bevin, had been told about a paedophile rape gang (or any colour, race or ethnicity) in their constituency? Whether preying upon working class, aristo, in care or anything else girls?
Well, quite. The rod has been made for their own backs by these modern politicians, hasn’t it?
If you trundle over to unherd.com there is a pretty mean spirited essay by Julie Bindel on how Griffin’s intervention is deemed to have held up the investigation.
Unherd seems to be going the way of The Spectator. The comments are usually pretty scathing of the articles these days.
The apostles of Modernity are demonic.
Otto
Unherd has always been very variable. Most of its writers are dire (eg Mary Harrington), but it deserves credit for publishing Kathleen Stock and for its exposure of BBC Verify’s double-standards.
I’ve read The Spectator for c.40 years and it varies according to editor and owner. At one point, it became little more than a lifestyle magazine. It seems to be taking a turn for the worse,but at least it publishes Rod Liddle and Toby Young…
And here’s a little thought. What do we think would have happened if Aneurin Bevan, or Ernest Bevin, had been told about a paedophile rape gang (or any colour, race or ethnicity) in their constituency? Whether preying upon working class, aristo, in care or anything else girls?
Well, quite. The rod has been made for their own backs by these modern politicians, hasn’t it?
Ann Cryer, a life long Labour supporter and MP, did try to raise it in Parliament as it was happening in her constituency and was ostracised for her pains, but yes most of our MPS of the last 40 years have been moral cowards on this and many issues. (In part I blame being in the EU*).
[my emphasis]
*Politicians got used to deflecting criticism by blaming the EU and never learned to stand up to critics and argue their case, they went for the easy life.
Otto,
Check out the latest Speccie Americano podcast with Douglas Murray, he’s on fire on this subject and maintaining the Speccie’s standards.
@Otto- agree about Unherd, it is infested with leftist writers. I rarely visit it anymore.
Otto/Theo
The only reason for subscribing to the Speccie was to cancel the subscription upon Gove’s arrival as editor but the Douglas Murray TV interview on rape gangs is an excellent analysis and well worth watching.
I’m a fan of paywalls because it reduces the amount of stuff to look at (though I’m indebted to Interested for introducing me to the Archive gizmo>
The reason the Establishment doesn’t either act or want anyone else to over the issue of rape/ torture gangs is that benefits of ‘diversity’ and ‘multiculturalism’ are akin to a religion to them and anything that challenges their beliefs must be either ignored or actively suppressed. The lives and welfare of English girls is neither here nor there to them.
It may be two decades too late but this subject is building up one hell of a head of steam right now. Musk has the biggest bully pulpit in history and he’s not going to let it be swept under the carpet yet again. Also he seems to hate TTK’s guts.
I only hope the pragmatic Farage, who never rushes into anything, will now do the right thing and get on board 100%. His colleagues, particularly Rupert Lowe, are already doing sterling work. Nothing can be done about Labours enormous majority until 2029 but ironically, with them starting from a historically low level of voter support, this will mean that public anger and disgust can build up to such an extent that they become the governmental equivalent of “dead man walking” just like the 2024 Conservatives except they will also face the additional insurmountable challenge of the Islamic takeover of the party constituency by constituency. An enterprising bookmaker ought to offer odds on them not winning a single by-election throughout their term in office.
Finally IMHO Unherd is not alone in that the comments and level of upvotes are at least as interesting and informative as the articles. Woke crap, of which there is plenty, is inevitably given short shrift by the masses. The good articles can be very good indeed and the reach is greater than the likes of Substack. In other words it matters albeit maybe not in the way its founders intended.
To see just how concerned Labour are over moslems raping and abusing young white girls, check out the 0.46 mark of this vid:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBRq5BKYxn0
To a certain extent Phillips is right, we don’t need yet another inquiry to tell us mistakes were made and lessons have been learned, because they obviously haven’t as its still happening.
We need to start charging and jailing those who allowed it to happen especially those still in place, they want the big bucks and status that comes with management well they can carry the can for their ineptitude and cowardice.
TMB
I’m no fan of Gove, but he’s not a sufficient (or necessary) condition for me to cancel my Spectator subscription. I value access to its data centre and enjoy Liddle/Young/Murray etc. If they go, I will go – as I have before.
Jonathan
Another important reason is that the Establishment/PTB don’t act on the rape/torture gangs is fear and intimidation. Some ‘religiously’ and ideologically believe the multi-culti diversity-is-a-strength craparola. Many more fear the fascistic response of ‘cancellation’ – the obloquy on social media, death (and other) threats (particularly from muslims), and criticism/exclusion by management/employers, the BBC and the media elite (which can affect career, earnings and pension).
John
Previously, I despised Twatter. Now, I have signed up to X – if only to read Musk’s coruscating remarks about TTK. As for the politically talented Farage, his political antennae must be twitching on this one. He’s undoubtedly a pragmatist and he will probably disappoint purists if he becomes PM. And, to his credit, he has distanced his party from the thuggish (if unjustly treated), Tommy Robinson.
Theo
I agree that associating himself with TR would have been counter-productive in the bigger picture. At the very least it would give Farage’s numerous enemies in politics and the mainstream media an easy excuse to muddy the waters . However, having now made that decision, he’s damned well going to have to take up the cudgel himself.
Theo – fear absolutely plays a part in the Police/ Social Services response to all this at the street level. After all, who’d want to tackle people who’re prepared to use violence, up to and including murder, if you challenge them?
a pretty mean spirited essay by Julie Bindel on how Griffin’s intervention is deemed to have held up the investigation
Bindel’s another Spud. Off on a planet all of her own.
I was reading a piece by her the other day. She was claiming a prostitute was “forced” into doing certain things against her will. It’s not how it works. None of them are forced to do anything they don’t want to do. It’s simply if you don’t do this, you don’t work here. There’s plenty of women want the job who will. Bindel’s firmly wedded to the idea that women are forced into prostitution. No more than anyone else is forced to work to make a living. The thing is, there’s a vast oversupply of women want to work. So it’s a highly competitive industry to get into..
Talking about the Speccie, does anyone still read Private Eye?
It became kind of irrelevant to me when I left the UK, but I don’t even pick up a copy in the airport WH Smugg any more.
I cancelled my subscription several years ago, when I realised I wasn’t reading any more of it than the cover.
I imagine that there is a certain demographic that reads and enjoys Private Eye, z.B. The “comedians” who appear on the BBC and other similar folk who think they are ‘edgy’ but who are in fact ‘establishment’.
It must be 10 -15 years ago that Richard Ingrams suggested that Ian Hislop (editor since 1986! – I just checked) should move on.
““comedians” who appear on the BBC and other similar folk who think they are ‘edgy’ but who are in fact ‘establishment’.”
Rebel Alliance delusion syndrome.
Originally, Private Eye commented without fear or favour, even on mere rumour. Under smug Hislop, it is cautious and ‘centrist’ – ie what those left-leaning Establishment believe, not the real centre, which is what the majority believe.
Julie Bindel on how Griffin’s intervention is deemed to have held up the investigation.
Yes, the police, social services, local councils and DPP were secretly all about to swoop into action but then Squinty Bad Man made some comments on TV which meant the British government had no choice but to allow tens of thousands more children to be raped.
That’s how laws work. Julie Bindel is as intelligent as she is pretty.
The Times says: The BNP leader has won an unprecedented electoral victory by masking his extremism with sharp suits and an amiable front
Extreme compared to what?
Being racist is orders of magnitude less extreme than what British governments have done to Britain – and to helpless foreign countries whenever they get the chance – since 1997.
Theo,
Previously, I despised Twatter. Now, I have signed up to X – if only to read Musk’s coruscating remarks about TTK.
Stick to the “Following” section and avoid the “For You” section like the plague and you’ll be fine but watch out, its not as bad as it used to be pre Musk but it sometimes puts you in to “For You” when you aren’t paying attention. There’s plenty of interesting to follow as well and not just politics.
“Being racist is orders of magnitude less extreme than what British governments have done to Britain”
When was it exactly that the word “racist” became an insult? When I was growing up it was regarded as perfectly normal to have opinions, not always favourable, about other racial groups. So I don’t think the word actually existed, in the sense that it wouldn’t have made any sense. Can’t have been before the late ’70s. I presume it was an American import. The UK never had the sort of institutionalised racial discrimination the States had. So it never went through a Civil Rights episode to generate the expression.
BiS – When was it exactly that the word “racist” became an insult? When I was growing up it was regarded as perfectly normal to have opinions, not always favourable, about other racial groups. So I don’t think the word actually existed, in the sense that it wouldn’t have made any sense. Can’t have been before the late ’70s.
A massive concerted psyop that was initially pushed heavily through TV and schools, backstopped with gradually ratcheting legal restrictions on freedom of speech and association.
After a few years, NPCs were happily burbling about how much they wuv diversity, completely unaware of the provenance or implications of their “opinions”.
The UK never had the sort of institutionalised racial discrimination the States had
But we do now, against native whites.
Killers of the Flower Moon, and we’re the redskins. How?
Thanks, BiND.
– As for the politically talented Farage, his political antennae must be twitching on this one. He’s undoubtedly a pragmatist and he will probably disappoint purists if he becomes PM. And, to his credit, he has distanced his party from the thuggish (if unjustly treated), Tommy Robinson.
Okay, let’s just see how that’s going:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14251957/Elon-Musk-Nigel-Farage-REMOVED-leader-Reform.html
PJF
Farage is right about about TR – he’s in prison for contempt of court, nothing else – and Musk is wrong. And, imo, a donation to Reform from Musk would have been more of a disadvantage than an advantage.
BiS
She was claiming a prostitute was “forced” into doing certain things against her will. It’s not how it works. None of them are forced to do anything they don’t want to do.
Generally, yes. But, for Bindel, the patriarchy – a mere abstraction – somehow deprives all such women of agency. Bindel believes she knows what any woman’s real interests are, just as commies claim to know the real interests of a working class bewitched by capitalism or anti-racists claim to know the real interests of all ethnics.
PJF – Musk has been going a bit mad on social media recently, telling people who disagree with his immigration plans to “fuck their faces”.
I hope he’s ok. Maybe we have finally discovered where Mr Ecks went.
Huntingdon MP Ben Obese-Jecty tweeted: ‘Will you be standing aside Nigel? I’ve heard Rupert (Lowe, the Reform MP) is ready to replace you.’
‘Ben Obese-Jecty’. Ffs 😀
Theo – “contempt of court”. It’s normal, healthy and decent to have nothing but contempt for these people.
Remember what Cardinal Richelieu from Dogtanian said. Any one of us could be a “criminal” if the authorities decided they don’t like the cut of your jib.
– he’s in prison for contempt of court, nothing else –
It’s just a technical thing; there’s no story behind it whatsoever.
. . . a donation to Reform from Musk would have been more of a disadvantage than an advantage.
It would have certainly damaged Reform’s appeal to the BBC, an essential aspect of any UK party’s success.
Just ask the Tories.
It’s just a technical thing; there’s no story behind it whatsoever.
Correct. Though that is not to say that the PTB have always treated TR fairly.
It would have certainly damaged Reform’s appeal to the BBC…
Not just the BBC. In my local pub, the idea of a Musk donation to Reform isn’t popular.
Btw I agree with Theo. Reform should not accept money from foreign sources and should also be leery of rich sugar daddies or being seen as an offshore subsidiary of the Trump party.
Money doesn’t buy electoral success either, if it did, Kamalachameleon would be the 47th president of the USA. Reform will do just fine without Elon, however well intentioned he may be.
PJF: « Okay, let’s just see how that’s going: »
Priceless.
Farage’s political antennae have consistently made him shy away from anything or anyone that the MSM condemn as “extreme right” in order to safeguard his ‘brand’. No bête can be more noire than Tommy Robinson (currently in solitary confinement with very limited visits) and the notion of any kind of informal alliances with Marine le P. or Alice W. is anathema. He deserves this kicking.
“Farage is right about about TR – he’s in prison for contempt of court, nothing else ”
And Al Capone was in prison for fiddling his taxes, nothing else.
We all know why TR is in prison, its because it suits the PTB that anyone who could be a rallying point against them is out of circulation. In the same way that if you attempt to burn an asylum seeker hotel down you’re in court and sentenced within weeks, but if you’re the person who actually murdered those poor little girls your trial hasn’t even started 5 months later. Or if you violently assault armed police at an airport it takes 5 months for the CPS to decide to even charge you, let alone when a trial might take place.
and Musk is wrong.
Musk is speaking to an American audience. Where free speech is an absolute rather than subject to judicial (ie governmental) approval. So Musk is entirely correct by American standards.
I’d say there’s something going on here. Various members of the current UK government including the PM have blatantly tried to undermine both the Trump ’16 presidency, his candidature in ’24 & his forthcoming presidency. They expected they could do that without consequences? They made it personal, now he’s making it personal. Trump’s out to destroy political careers. With the aid of a few friends. I’d say TwoTier et ors are in for a very rocky ride. This is just the start of it.
@Jim
TR repeatedly refused to obey the reasonable instructions of a judge in their own court. If you or I or anyone else did that, we’d also (eventually) end in the slammer. I think it’s where he wants to be – reckons it strengthens his brand.
He’s dead right about the rape gangs, but that’s a different matter.
In my local pub, the idea of a Musk donation to Reform isn’t popular.
Lol, a few months ago Reform wasn’t popular in your local pub. If Reform’s strategy is to pick up the Tory loser vote they’re fucked.
– Correct.
That’s the kind of arrogant shit that makes ordinary people want to kick one-nation tories in the bollocks.
The Court (leftie judiciary cunts) abused justice by imposing lies for the sake of protecting the ongoing importation of Islam. Native British youth being crushed in favour of abusive muslim immigrants sure is a familiar theme, eh? TR was brave and personally reckless to expose the truth. Useless twats down the pub haw-hawing about his thuggishness are not what’s going to get us out of this mess.
We might well ask what did Cyril Smith’s constituency did, when allegations were made as early as 1979 (and even reported on by Private Eye), apparently?
Chris Miller @ 1814: Yes, well said! TR wants to be a martyr.
Steve @ 1634: thanks and totally agree.
TMB @ 1705: Farage “deserves this kicking”. Really? If you reject the Tories and Farage, what are you in favour of?
Anne Cryer was also sound on inter generational 1st cousin marriage. It’s a shame she was ignored and berated.
Theo: « If you reject the Tories and Farage, what are you in favour of? »
I don’t just reject the Tories I abominate them. Nothing rivals the absurdity of former Tory ministers criticising the government for problems that they spent fourteen years ignoring. They couldn’t govern because they couldn’t get the civil service to carry out policies that half of them in any case repudiated and they can’t be an opposition because most of them are LibDems.
Reform will be the future right by default but Farage will need to improve and be more collegial for that to happen. He can survive this and other kickings whereas Starmer is ready to exit the stage pursued by Lions and Flamethrowers.
The parliamentary debate tomorrow on the GE petition should be great fun but no more than a distraction from the Trump-Musk-Farage business. Later in the week there’s the Musk-Weidel debate on X.
1. We in the US just listened to months of “but he’s a 34-time convicted felon!” Problem was, we all knew that people making that cry were like the guy who kills his parents and then asks the judge for mercy because he’s an orphan. Trump only became a “felon” because our corrupted justice process did a full court press on him.
So, the cautionary tales we’re hearing about Tommy R seem, to many here, to be more of the same. If TR truly is a bad guy, I’d love to have someone explain why, beyond “because our wonderful judges and prosecutors say so.” We don’t trust those people anymore.
2. I’ve found that there’s a large correlation between “people who are outraged over the Pakistani behavior” (a very polite word), and “guys who have daughters.” Best comment I saw years ago when this was current news was “where the hell are the dads with shotguns?” I’m still amazed (in a bad way) at the passivity displayed in the UK about this. Blame the police? Maybe, after you’re done shooting some rapists.
@bobby
Where were the guys with shotguns, you ask.
well one father at least went round to the house where his daughter was being raped. The police turned up and arrested him.
No doubt because he was divorced and had limited visitation rights or none at all.
Thanks to the incentives our legal system provides for wives to game the divorce courts to get a better deal, including a council house, indefinite husband subsidy, etc.
(Just my crystal balls humming here, of course. I know nothing of that particular case but I doubt it’s unique.)
“So, the cautionary tales we’re hearing about Tommy R seem, to many here, to be more of the same. If TR truly is a bad guy, I’d love to have someone explain why, beyond “because our wonderful judges and prosecutors say so.” We don’t trust those people anymore.”
Like a lot of people, he’s right about some stuff and wrong about other stuff. The particular case that got him locked up had nothing to do with the rape gangs. Some Syrian kid got sat on in the playground and water squirted in his face by a white kid. The video of it went viral, with a firestorm of talk about racist bullying that forced the white kid’s family to move house. Apparently, it was actually because the white kid tripped over his coat in science class, he thought it was deliberate, and told him to Foff, and the incident in the video was the response, with no evidence it was racist. TR decided to defend the white kid, repeated a bunch of made up (inconsistent, unsupported by documentary or medical evidence, in some case provably lies) tosh the white kid’s friends told him about the Syrian kid beating up a girl with a hockeystick and attacking other kids, forcing the Syrian kid’s family to move house too, and TR got done for libel – £100k compensation and £500k legal costs and told not to repeat the accusations. He did. Deliberately, Ten times. Then pleaded guilty in court to Contempt of Court for disobeying the injunction so he’d be sent to jail and become a martyr for free speech. He has very low standards of evidence for what he’ll believe when it suits his narrative. He got it right about the rape gangs, but probably more by luck than judgement. He gets other stuff wrong. It’s like Trump’s comments on Haitians eating people’s pets – he often mouths off what he’s heard without solid evidence, which lets his opponents discredit the rest of the argument. And TR is political suicide if you want any mainstream votes from the normies. But he also says what nobody else is willing to say, and needs saying. He’s a mixture – good bits and bad bits. For Elon to lecture Farage about TR is like Brits coming over to America and telling Trump he ought to give more public support to Alex Jones. You might not trust lefty judges, but you can trust Farage to know rather better what you can get away with in local politics.
TMB
The reason that a lot of Tory MPs are essentially Lib Dems is that a lot of the electorate are essentially Lib Dems – ie soggy ‘centrists’ of one sort or another. Any party that realistically hopes to achieve a Parliamentary majority has to assemble a electoral coalition of interests that somehow includes at least some of these voters. Reform will rapidly reach a ceiling in its support, at which point it will have to move leftwards if it wants to have a majority. You might curse such a development, but it’s pragmatic politics. Of course, Reform might opt for ideological purity rather than pragmatism and so perpetuate left-wing government in some form by once again splitting the right-of-centre vote.
Nothing has made me change yesterdays opinion that having loudly and publicly disassociated himself from TR Farage now has to take up the cudgel himself on behalf of the victims of the ongoing rape gangs.
Sitting on your arse in the dead centre of the Overton window is something I associate with Blair and his wannabe Lord Pigfecker. I expect a whole lot more from Farage.
Dunno @ 7.49, have you watched the video TR put together?
Plenty of of people who were involved signed non disclosure agreements, which is not the kind of thing you’d do in a simple case of bullying.
And I appreciate he’s in the jug for ‘contempt of court’ but what if he’s right about the initial case and the courts decision was wrong? Just accept it? Forget it?
As bobbyb says in point 1 @ 11.24, the ‘justice’ system in the UK has been corrupted and is quite obviously happy to persecute anyone they disapprove of, which is normally the white natives.
No, he’s yanking on the side of the window, pushing it, for all he can. As he has been for 3 decades now. But you so still have to be inside the frame – not in the middle, but inside it – to be able to work. Or, if you prefer, marginally outside it but able to move it to where you are.
“And I appreciate he’s in the jug for ‘contempt of court’ but what if he’s right about the initial case and the courts decision was wrong?”
And what if TR was wrong?
The girl in question claimed she’d been in pain ever since the attack, had MRI scans done, and was on painkillers. The NHS had no record of any scans, and her doctor sent a letter saying she was in perfect health and not being treated.
I’m totally in favour of not leaping to judgement if one hasn’t checked the evidence for oneself and instead saying “I don’t know”. But that goes both ways.
You can argue that in the original video there was no evidence of racism and the social media attacks on the other boy were unjustified. (The Syrian kid actually tried to defend him, saying he didn’t want people having a go at him.) You can argue it was just a minor playground fight, nothing to do with race or religion, and it was wrong of either or both sides to make a political football out of it. You can argue that the £500k legal costs were unjustified and designed to bankrupt and shut down TR. You can argue libel laws are unfair and contrary to free speech. You can argue courts can and do sometimes get things wrong. You can argue TR genuinely believed what he was saying was true and the hearsay evidence incontrovertible. You can argue the prosecution was political. But at the end of the day, TR deliberately and knowingly breached a court injunction, pleaded guilty, and showed no contrition. Judges have very little alternative in those circumstances.
You can’t decide guilt or innocence based on their past record, or whose side they’re on. You can only judge it on the evidence in each individual case. Nobody is infallible. TR was right about the rape gangs. He was wrong about the Syrian kid. I’m not taking a judge’s word for it. I’m not taking TR’s word for it either. I’ve looked at the evidence and made my own mind up. You can do the same. I’ve got no problem if you come to a different conclusion. I’m just answering the question asked – “I’d love to have someone explain why”. Free speech means all sides in any disagreement get to have their say.
Theo: « The reason that a lot of Tory MPs are essentially Lib Dems is that a lot of the electorate are essentially Lib Dems – ie soggy ‘centrists’ of one sort or another. »
The reason that a lot of Tory MPs are essentially Lib Dems is that David Cameron with his “A-List” willed it so and thereby halved the party’s membership.
The electorate was insufficiently Lib Dem or soggily centrist in July to prevent your Tories getting a drubbing.
Theo,
Any party that realistically hopes to achieve a Parliamentary majority has to assemble a electoral coalition of interests that somehow includes at least some of these voters. Reform will rapidly reach a ceiling in its support, at which point it will have to move leftwards if it wants to have a majority.
You are right that that is the way FPTP used to work, coalitions were formed before the election and manifestos written, but that consensus has broken down and is unlikely to work again because there is so little trust on both sides, as the Conservatives’ self immolation during their 14 years of ineptitude showed.
I agree with TMB that Cameron holds a lot of the blame with his decision that the party should become Blair lite and centralised MP selection to force it through, although the split goes back to Major and his “bastards” comments during the Maastricht sell out if not before.
Labour’s coalition is falling apart and they are also under threat from Reform for a similar reason, ignoring a large part of the voting public, the socially conservative left of centre working classes. Labour is also under pressure from the LibDems on the squishy left, radical Muslims in some of their old safe seats, the Greens and the hard left led at the moment by the Corbynites.
While Labour, LibDems and the Conservatives fight over the squishy middle, Reform is building a coalition that may not be big enough to form its own government but its going to be big enough to disrupt the status quo and make itself heard. In one path I can see them ending up as the largest party.
We live in interesting times.
TMB
The reason that a lot of Tory MPs are essentially Lib Dems is that David Cameron with his “A-List” willed it…
And why did he will it? Because, to repeat, a lot of the electorate are essentially Lib Dems – ie soggy ‘centrists’ of one sort or another….
PJF
Lol, a few months ago Reform wasn’t popular in your local pub.
Times change. Reform’s popularity is rising fast, judging by my local pub and my local barbershop; but the salt of the Earth there don’t like Tommy Robinson or the prospect of Musk funding Reform.
And TR is in gaol because of his contempt of court and nothing else. See Dunno’s admirable summary above.
– And TR is in gaol because of his contempt of court and nothing else.
Just like all those people imprisoned for social media posts over those murdered little girls are there because they broke the law and nothing else. At the end of the day they knowingly and deliberately broke the law and pleaded guilty. They are where they should be and there is nothing else happening. Just a half for me, old chap, got to keep the weight off after the festivities, har har, what what.
“The girl in question claimed she’d been in pain ever since the attack, had MRI scans done, and was on painkillers. The NHS had no record of any scans, and her doctor sent a letter saying she was in perfect health and not being treated.”
And how likely do you think that the average doctor would be to go in to bat for TR? To stick his head above the parapet and say ‘Yes, TR’s telling the truth and that bunch of Muslims are lying through their arses’? Do you think such a person standing up in court might be getting a visit from a gang of hooded assailants some time soon after?
Its like the whole Derek Chauvin case in the US – nobody wanted to defend him, regardless of the truth for fear of what would happen to them. Either literally as in dead or maimed, or as in career death.
Any case involving TR and Muslims would have been box office stuff, and anyone standing in his corner would have a target painted on them. Its no surprise the NHS ‘found no records’ of what was alleged to have happened. I bet if they existed they’d been put in the nearest shredder the moment the question was asked.
And as for the judiciary, don’t get me started. They’re as bent as the rest of the legal system.