Sir Keir Starmer has accused those calling for a new inquiry into grooming gangs of jumping on a “far-Right bandwagon”.
Given the vileness of the events asking for an inquiry will strike most as pretty reasonable. But if that is “far right” then how much shame is there left in being called “far right”?
People, including some on here, responding to the TR dog whistle rather than focusing solely on the rape gangs will make it easier for TTK to get away with this deflection.
Kneeler has machine gunned himself in the head with this one.
It shows how unfit he is to be PM. It just sounds petulant and totally uncaring. Jess Philips’ reputation is more important than the total failure by the State to protect working class girls from Roper Rapists.
Musk has been rather unhinged lately and a lot of what he is saying is easily disproved. This makes Starmer’s outburst even more unforgivable.
Trouble is, Labour are so dense, they probably have no idea of the damage and anger they have caused.
Times (which seems to be slowly unwokening) today:
Foreign citizens are more than three times as likely to be arrested for sexual offences as British adults, according to analysis.
The police made more than 9,000 arrests of non-British citizens for alleged sexual offences in the first ten months of last year, which made up a quarter of all arrests for the crime.
According to research by the Centre for Migration Control, a new anti-immigration think tank, people in this group are 3.5 times more likely to be arrested for sexual offences than British adults. For every 100,000 foreign citizens in the UK 164 people were arrested for sexual offences. This compares with 48 per 100,000 for British adults, according to the research.
The data was based on freedom of information requests from 41 of the 43 police forces in England and Wales and covers January to October last year.
For crime overall, foreign citizens were twice as likely to be arrested compared with British adults. There were 24 arrests per 1,000 foreign citizens compared with 12 arrests per 1,000 for Britons in the ten-month period. There were 48 nationalities with higher arrest rates than Britons, according to the research. Albanians had the highest arrest rate followed by Afghans, Iraqis, Algerians and Somalians. There were 210 arrests for every 1,000 Albanian citizens, the research showed.
https://archive.ph/UREIp
Child abuse is evil.
The far right NAZIs did child abuse. Look at the sick stuff Mengele did to children. The Holocaust abused children.
I don’t like the way this has been turned into a political effort to get Starmer because of his involvement when DPP. Labour will always close ranks around their leader.
Forget Starmer – hell, give him immunity to take the politics out of it – the important thing is that the social workers, council managers and police forces who deliberately turned a blind eye should be held to account and identified publicly. Then, if there’s any justice, they should be made to walk down Southport High Street with a placard detailing their failures.
When that’s done then, and only then, maybe go after Starmer. He’s just one man and there are a lot of other cunts to catch first.
That PM Starmer should try to defend DPP Starmer is hardly surprising though not an easy task. This attempt to invalidate criticism with the clumsy and worn-out “Far Right” label will only inflame the situation further.
Yvette Cooper as interim PM before the end of the month.
I disagree Geoffers
Starmer is a fool and a knave promoted well beyond his competence as we saw at the CPS.
Throwing little people under the bus to save his own skin is exactly what he is likely to do and we should force him into a corner to do so.
” responding to the TR dog whistle ”
After two comments asking what TR did wrong I’m no wiser. I’m not aware that he has taken any far-right position. He does question and oppose some behaviour on the part of Muslim communities. I think that is merely sensible and patriotic.
My hunch is the Jess Philips wanted to have a proper enquiry but was prevented from doing so by somebody who wants to hide ‘some behaviour on the part of Muslim communities’. Naturally I don’t know who that could have been.
Kemi should be carefully pushing her “not good cultures” on this one. Islam is clear that “women of the right hand” can be abused this way, and that’s the basis of it 🙁
On the other hand, if we make the behaviour unthinkable, we improve “community relations” and drive a dagger into multiculturalism at the same time. Win win 🙂
Sorry @Rhoda, I’m sure Jess was perfectly well aware of what was going on: she’s relied on looking the other way for her majority 🙁
She’s scared because the new “Gaza tendency” are grabbing those votes!
Guido has post up about Starmer’s role, there’s no way he should be allowed to escape responsibility.
As I’ve said before, we don’t need another inquiry the time has come to start prosecutions for dereliction of duty in high office, and high office should include in local government not just national government.
And if dereliction of duty isn’t a crime in this case I’m all for retroactive legislation.
Meh…. Could be he even means it….
Current Labour is so far to the left it’s parked somewhere between Vietnam and North Korea.
Even slightly left-leaning centrists would appear “far-right” to that lot, let alone anyone leaning more towards the right side of the equation without even going to extremes for normal people to hit their “extreme-right”.
Being called “far-right” by Labour is like slowly being mauled by a toothless chihuahua ( insert any other type of pocket rat to taste..) because they’re already so far Out There it’s practically meaningless to people who are actually sensible.
@rupert
I’m sure Jess was perfectly well aware of what was going on: she’s relied on looking the other way for her majority
She’s scared because the new “Gaza tendency” are grabbing those votes!
I suspect, and I wouldn’t blame her, that she is scared of being Amessed.
There is no way that any given person, from the MP to the chief constable to the resident judge to anyone else, can be protected if the young men of Birmingham decide to kick off.
TMB: the thought of that might keep TTK in post. I can’t think of anyone on that side of the House who could make even a mediocre PM.
People, including some on here, responding to the TR dog whistle rather than focusing solely on the rape gangs will make it easier for TTK to get away with this deflection.
I doubt it, in the current atmosphere. It’s fairly obvious that anyone was aware of the Grooming Gang stuff was hushed by the PTB. Since TR’s “unwise words” related to the RoPers, QED he’s been hushed by the PTB. The facts of TR’s case won’t make any difference to most people. They won’t be interested. Some legal beagle droning on about contempt of court charges will go straight past them. There’s already a feeling the courts are being used politically.
TTK’s whining about the “far right”will have played straight to that. Trying to make this “political” is an incredibly stupid mistake. But when was TTK ever credible?
“Guido has post up about Starmer’s role, there’s no way he should be allowed to escape responsibility.”
Just to be clear, I absolutely agree that Starmer should be made to answer. I just made the point that, since going after him looks like it will shut the shop entirely, then putting him to one side and going after the rest would be the pragmatic thing to do.
TMB: That awful little sanctimonious shrew Cooper for PM? Not before the mother of all bitch-fights with Growler first, which may already be taking place behind the scenes.
Popcorn.
TG / Norman – I’m not a fan of Mrs Balls either but she is likely to be encouraged by colleagues on the (thin) grounds that she has previous experience of government which is not exactly there in profusion on the govt benches. My personal favourite would be Marie-Antoinette Lammy because of his greater self-awareness but that’s just a dream.
Cooper for Interim PM? PIE Cooper?
Srsly?
The P-G: « Cooper for Interim PM? PIE Cooper?»
Was she a PIE supporter along with Harriet Harman and Patricia Hewitt? That passed me by. Or do you mean her minced pie offerings before Christmas 2024?
The Pedant-General said:
“Cooper for Interim PM? PIE Cooper?”
I didn’t think she had been involved with that? Harman, and a few of the others, but don’t remember hearing of Mrs Balls being one of them.
I do feel more justified in voting Reform now, even if my vote was a ‘wasted’ one in my constituency. Without the credibility earned from the millions of actual votes won by Reform and from the party gaining five seats in Parliament, I don’t think that this story would suddenly have regained its legs in the UK. Musk’s comments would have been dismissed as those of a fringe nutter allied to fruitcake Farage, and our rulers would have successfully suppressed the story once more.
Starmer tried to do that yesterday, and it clearly didn’t work. But without Farage’s new-found credibility, I think it might have.
Should we damn the rapists or should we damn the state employees who failed to stop them?
In an ideal world, both. But it’s not.
A task force should be assembled to go through all the reports sent to the DPP and marked no further action. Action should be (re)considered and any roper named should be hauled in for questioning (again).
The net would probably catch some who have already served time. Not double jeopardy, ‘cos a different crime.
Once they’ve looked at the DPP, look at all the police reports too.
And then the social services…
Keep looking, keep interviewing suspects. There’s no statute of limitations for this.
What Philip said. PLUS make it snappy and released the details of the decision making chain so we can see the levels of people who decided not to prosecute. Then release the guidelines they were operating with, and then the decision chain for those guidelines along with the advice given to decision makers. We can have an inquiry BY the public rather than a Yes Minster style enquiry
Who was in power when Jimmy Saville was knighted?
I do not think Starmer is responsible for child grooming gangs.
Child abuse is evil. And the far right did some of the worst duinng WW2 with the evil Mengele.
Trump has not released the Epstein files. So is he turning a blind eye? Should he be punished.
The inquiry we need is “Sir Kneel, what would you like for your last breakfast?”
Elon,
“The far right have done a lot worse so kier starmer is alright” isn’t the best argument.
The Nazis did atrocities. as did the Commies in the Soviet Union.
We know this. It also happened a long time ago. It isn’t relevant.
Left or right doesn’t matter in this. Whoever failed these girls, whoever is found to have deliberately hushed up the crimes should be dragged kicking and screaming into the public light and have a proper trial with proper consequences. From the local bobbie or social worker who just turned a blind eye, right up to Two Tier Kneeler himself.
– I do feel more justified in voting Reform now . . .
Oddly, I now feel more justified in not voting Reform (despite wanting to at the time but didn’t to try and avoid the five years of cuntery we’re now enjoying). I also feel completely opposite to you on how this has gone down – I think Musk is driving the story, not Farage’s “new-found credibility”. I don’t think Farage has any inherent interest in this subject; frankly I don’t think he gives a shit about “working class” white girls raped by Muslims. I think he’s only interested in reducing immigration to the extent that those dreadful “working class” people stop being agitated about it. His political leanings are basically one-nation tory with some fatcherist economics thrown in, but (despite his apparently affable personality) I suspect he has a little bit of a Ritchie complex that’ll prevent him from forming a large political alliance.
We’ll see how it goes but I suspect he’s just massively narrowed his base (lost nearly everyone up to at least the level of ‘leccies, plumbers and engineers). He’s running on the fumes of disaffected tories, and that party is now moving on his right flank.
Fair points, PJF. But if the Conservative Party really is moving on Farage’s right flank, then that almost justifies my argument. because it wouldn’t be doing that unless it had been shown in the General Election that there were millions of actual votes to be captured by doing that.
Chernyy Drakon – Then there should also be enquiries at religious and private schools at the high rate of child abuse. Anyone who turned a blind eye would also be punished.
And what about Trump being pals with Epstein. Why is Trump.not releasing the Epstein files? Is that turning a blind eye?
It seems the far right only want to look at issues for political reasons. They do not care about sex crimes when the right wingers do them. It is only when it matches to their agenda that they care.
I think child sex abuse is evil. But it seems the far right want to falsely .claim they have no wronguns in their woods.
The far right want to claim they are the normal nom-abusive people. The left should not.let.the right walk over them.
There is no way on Earth the left should just sit back and allow the far right to claim they are pure on the sex abuse issue. In the past, present, and future there are far.right child abusers. And we will.not let the far right to claim they have no wronguns.
Mengle and Jimmy Saville show the right have their own sickest.
Please answer me..
WILL FARAGE AND TRUMP AND ELON MUSK DEMAND AN INQUIRY INTO EPSTEIN.? IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT CHILD ABUSE.
TRUMP. SAID EPSTEIN LIKED THEM YOUNG. HE WAS FRIENDS WITH HIM BUT DID
NOTHING !!!!
DID TRUMP, MUSK AND FSRAGE NOT DO ENOUGH ABOUT EPSTEIN.?
@ET: phone the home.
Epstein said Donald Trump was his best friend..And we all know about Epstein.
OK so Donald Trump.was.pals with Roy Cohn. Roy Cohn described Donald Trump was his best friend
I am not homophobic but here is a link about Roy Cohn.
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/king-cohn/
“Cohn was a particularly nasty homosexual. He was often a favored guest at the ranch of multimillionaire Shearn Moody, who readily provided, we learn, “many little boys of the night” to guests who desired them. The story is that one night Cohn desired a boy who turned out to have warts on his p****, but Cohn said, “Oh well, I don’t care.” And the first thing you know, Cohn had “venereal warts on his a***.””
Is that implying the pal of Trump.paid for rentboys?
Is that far right morals. Should Trump and Musk do investigations into Cohn and Epstein?
I’ve said it elsewhere on here, and on other blogs, the proverbial is going to hit the fan in the Islamic Republic of Bradistan. Sooner rather than later.
Robbie Moore Con MP for Keighley and Ilkley (Bradford MDC area) raised the problem of Pakistani Muslim Rape Gangs in wider Bradford area in the HoC yesterday. Only 20+ years after Anne Cryer Lab MP for Keighley did the same…
20+ years! Let that sink in…you can see why they are willing to die on the hill of Far Right conspiracy.
Anne Cryer was berated by all sides of the House, the local press, Clowncillors, Police chiefs and of course “Community Leaders”…the local pushback against Robbie Moore has already started.
Those of us with long memories remember Ray Honeyford, The Satanic Verses burnings, Pakistani Muslim riots in 95 and 01. They aren’t even the barbarians at the gate anymore
Is Real Man back on here?
In October 2009, the Crown Prosecution Service advised there was insufficient evidence to take any further action (against Savile) and no charges were brought.
Head of CPS in 2009? Keir Starmer.
Meanwhile, for the Toolmaker’s Son, it never rains but it pours.
https://order-order.com/2025/01/06/tulip-siddiq-on-brink-as-net-closes-in-corruption-scandal/
More problems for Sir Keir ( I never saw a RoPer with a fat wallet I didn’t like) Starmer.
Bit unwise bringing up Epstein (close friend of Peter Mandleson – Kier Starmer’s choice of UK ambassador to US) isn’t it?
I asked the a bloke over there. He said Tulip’s mother is viciously corrupt, even by local standards. By those standards a flat or two would be so trivial that those giving/accepting would regard them as something no one would bother about.
Now, whether Tulip is involved is another matter….
John
Thanks – I was trying to remember the identity he had posted under before!
Life’s too short to bother with such an obvious mentally deficient troll obviously.
I have news for you…….
Peter Mandelson is gay……..
Meaning he would not be inteested in young girls at Epstein Island…….
Meanwhile look at Trump’s connectioms to Epstein, and Roy Cohn.
Trump also ran Miss Teen USA..WTF
He might not have run Miss Teen USA. But he was connected to Epstein and Roy Cohn.
That is dodgy. So shoukd Musk ask for an investigation into Trumpo.
Life’s too short to bother with such an obvious mentally deficient troll obviously.
Far from it V_P. Without our troll’s contributions we could just be blowing hot air at each other here. Unnoticed by the wider world. But thanks to he/she/it’s efforts we know we get under people’s skins.
So thanks for your taking your valuable time to contribute Mr Tusk. It’s so reassuring knowing you’re there, reading our comments & enjoying them. You’re always more than welcome to drop by. And we’ll redouble our efforts to amuse you.
Thanks for that information, Tim. And “viciously corrupt” are a fine pair of adjectives to use of any government. I’m sure in due course we’ll find them useful closer to home.
I’m wondering whether “viscously corrupt” might be better. Money tends to stick to them…..
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Chris Miller
January 7, 2025 at 4:45 pm
@ET: phone the home”
bravo, sir, bravo
Trump isn’t in office until 20th so aren’t you being a little unfair blaming him for not releasing files he’s can’t release yet.
Maybe just blame Biden for now and then both of them if Trump doesn’t also release them.
Now what’s going to be interesting is Kennedy wanting all the assassination files released and to what extent that’s part of the price for his support
TTK really does seem totally incapable of reading the room
BiS: « …“viciously corrupt” are a fine pair of adjectives… »
Yes, nice, but one of them’s an adverb of degree!
Worth reading this: https://order-order.com/2025/01/07/senior-us-sources-slam-labours-insane-threat-to-cut-off-intelligence-and-defence-cooperation-because-of-musk-and-trump/
So why did Musk start this info war now?
Guido’s article surprisingly doesn’t mention the Chagos fiasco.
However that botched virtue-signalling surrender of the sovereignty of a key strategic asset must have gone a long way towards convincing the US they are dealing with student union level politicians.
It’s as if “The Squad” had relocated itself over the Atlantic and now has a 400 seat majority.
Are there two Elon Tusks? One appears to have the vocabulary & grammar of a 7-year-old, the other can actually construct a coherent response (see 3.55pm yesterday).