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Seems reasonable to me

Josh Simons is a newly elected Labour MP and trusted ally of McSweeney who I have heard being tipped for quick promotion to the cabinet. During the second parliamentary reading of the government’s border security, asylum and immigration bill, he gave a quite remarkable speech based on his admiration for the ancient Greeks – and specifically their categorisation of migrants as “metics”. Such people, he told the Commons, “were subject to different rules; who joined the city was controlled and the bar was set high for who could become a citizen and vote”. If metics broke Athenian laws, moreover, “they were expelled from the city, and sometimes thrust into the blazing Greek sun.”

Lest anyone think he was getting a bit carried away, this was merely an object lesson in the principle whereby “people who govern themselves control who they are and who becomes a member of the demos”.

Being one of us has both costs and privileges. Why should we decide who gets to become one of us?

48 thoughts on “Seems reasonable to me”

  1. Bloke in North Dorset

    There’s been lots of talk about whether migrants would defend Britain if push came to shove recently.

    It quite simple: If you want to come here and enjoy the lifestyle and you aren’t prepared to defend it then fvck off somewhere else.

  2. In Sparta, one earned citizenship by serving in the army.

    I always found it perverse that this never actually applied in Britain.

  3. If metics broke Athenian laws, moreover, “they were expelled from the city, and sometimes thrust into the blazing Greek sun.”

    Did they have no Holiday Inns?

  4. Not quite about Sparta. If you were a Spartan – a citizen – then you were going to be in the army. Helots were the slaves who did the farming and they v definitely were not allowed to enter the army and become citizens. Teaching the slaves how to fight was not the Spartan way.

    On the other hand there has long been a route to British citizenship for Commonwealth citizens via military service. Swathes of Fijians come to mind for some reason. One of the reasons for the controversy about the Ghurkas was that they were outside that scheme for some reason I cannot recall.

  5. How did this guy get into the Labour Party? Don’t they have an intelligence test whereby if your score is a positive number David Lammy’s entrance board bar you?

  6. It is a relatively recent thing, earning British citizenship via the Army could not be guaranteed.

    Although my late missus’ aunt became a citizen in 1948. She fled to UK from Austria and was drafted into the RAF for 5 years. But of course had nowhere to go afterwards.

    The Gurkhas were a funny case. Britain had an agreement with Nepal that these soldiers would be sent home as Nepal desperately wanted skilled and educated men. La Lumley rather wrecked that.

  7. Philip Scott Thomas

    Apparently, Switzerland pushes decisions on citizenship right down to the local community.

    From memory, there was a story a few years ago about a woman who was denied Swiss citizenship because she complained about the noise from the bells on cows as they were being led to and from their pastures. She was deemed not sufficiently appreciative of Swiss culture.

  8. One problem with the Gurkhas scheme was the amount of people it encompassed and the fact that a number of people eligible for it suddenly ‘discovered’ legions of first cousins whom the likes of Lumley said should be eligible to stay permanently – so one Gurkha could have a dozen dependents. Unfortunately ‘edge’ cases often make the worst law. Totally understandable from the Gurkha perspective, and needed real leadership to tackle (i.e the ability to tell the Hard Left to F&*^K off), which arguably we haven’t had barring the 1979 to 1990 period since World War 2.

  9. “We should spend less time worrying about Putin, and more time worrying about migrant rape gangs, drug lords, murderers, and people from mental institutions entering our Country – So that we don’t end up like Europe!” – President Donald J. Trump

  10. Is this what the PTB think is going to fight their wars? An army of foreigners who are being bribed with the promise of citizenship if they do their tour of duty?

  11. In Sparta, one earned citizenship by serving in the army.

    Mr Womby beat me to the Starship Troopers reference. Well played sir.

    As for the original based comments I am surprised he hasn’t already made a grovelling apology promising never to talk such sense again.

  12. Mr Trump appears to be unaware of the rape gangs, drug lords, murderers, and people from mental institutions who are given a free rein wherever Russia advances.

  13. Mr Trump

    That’s President Trump to you.

    appears to be unaware of the rape gangs, drug lords, murderers, and people from mental institutions who are given a free rein wherever Russia advances.

    Wot, like Rotherham, Oxford, Telford, Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow, Malmo, Frankfurt and Paris?

    Grr, Russia.

  14. The ‘joys’ of ‘our’ diversity:

    Khan told Lewis: “People know my views about Donald Trump. That’s not going to change.”

    But he said that a second state visit would be a chance to persuade Mr Trump of the positives of diversity.

    “If he does come to London, what I’d invite him to do is spend time at Trafalgar Square, maybe on St. Patrick’s Day or Lunar New Year, or Eid in the square, or Diwali in the square,” the mayor said.

    “I think it is important to actually bust some of these myths. I think it’s important to show those people who believe the contrary that diversity is a strength, not a weakness.”

    Asked if he would accompany Trump to some of London’s so-called ‘no-go areas’, he said: “I’d invite President Trump for a good curry in Brick Lane (in east London), maybe go and visit a place of worship in London, but also his team as well.”

    He added: “I say in a non-patronising way, a lot of prejudice comes from pre-judging, and actually one of the joys of the great city of London is our diversity.

    “So if it is the case, if it is the case that President Trump comes to London, it’s an opportunity to show President Trump the joys of our diversity. And by the way, that includes not just religious minorities, ethnic minorities, but people of different sexual orientations as well.”

    “Nevermind about the rape gangs, here’s a shitty curry and some sexual deviants.”

  15. The late, great Peter Simple used to postulate that Hitler was arguably the most influential person in 20th century history – largely because everything that he believed in was now automatically reviled.

    I’m wondering if that’s still the case for the entire Nazi canon. Leaving aside the support for the wanton murder of Jews which we see weekly or even daily in some areas – this line channels Goebbels to an insane degree.

    “I think it is important to actually bust some of these myths. I think it’s important to show those people who believe the contrary that diversity is a strength, not a weakness.”

    It is manifestly untrue that Diversity is a source of strength. It has destroyed the country to a greater degree than the nuclear calamity seen in ‘Threads’. Khan is an absolute disgrace and frankly his tenure should mean a blanket bar on ‘RoP’ adherents running for office in the UK.

  16. VP, people like Khan use words, but their usage has other meanings to those we assume.

    So, TTK uses ‘growth’ and we assume he means economic growth, but in fact he means growth of everything socialist that undermines economic growth and the integrity of this country.

    Similarly, when Kahn says “diversity is strength” he means The Diversity is growing in strength to eventually displace us. And he’s right.

  17. “If he does come to London, what I’d invite him to do is spend time at Trafalgar Square, maybe on St. Patrick’s Day or Lunar New Year, or Eid in the square, or Diwali in the square,” the mayor said.

    Or when there’s a Palestinian demonstration on.

    Asked if he would accompany Trump to some of London’s so-called ‘no-go areas’, he said: “I’d invite President Trump for a good curry in Brick Lane”

    No-one’s ever suggested that Brick Lane is a no-go area. That’s a Potemkin diversity street for taking gullible visitors to and fleecing them. What about taking him to one of the really rough estates?

  18. Person in Pictland

    If we are to learn from the Ancient Greeks let’s bring back ostracism. We get to vote to expel Starmer, and Reeves, and Lammy, and so on from the polis for a decade or two. Less final than executing them and more effective than voting for the Opposition.

    Mind you Starmer should hang anyway for his appalling performance over Covid but that’s a different point.

  19. the rape gangs, drug lords, murderers, and people from mental institutions who are given a free rein wherever Russia advances.

    We give them free housing, free healthcare, free education. free benefits, family reunification and immunity from deportation when they break the law as their often truly horrific crimes might not be viewed kindly in their home countries.

    That’s a whole lot better than a free rein so in your face Putin.

  20. Unusual for the Guardian to print something I agree with. Just the quote from Josh Simons of course, not the accompanying drivel written by the “reporter”.

  21. If the diversity these cunts are bringing is so wonderful, why are they all so keen to leave their diverse homelands to get to any country they can than isn’t full of said diversity.
    600 more yesterday. We are being fucking invaded .

  22. That’s President Trump to you.

    Might need to brush up on your first commandment there.

    Funny, it only seems like a couple of months ago you were earnestly reminding us that America is not our friend.

  23. That’s a whole lot better than a free rein so in your face Putin.

    But it’s good to know that, even as our country is being erased before our eyes, there’s still old men* dreaming about sending our children to die for Ukraine’s sacred borders:

    Drummond says: “There are no doubts that our forces, even as they are today, would provide a good account of themselves. They would deliver an extremely painful bloody nose to the Russian Army. The real issue is how long could they sustain that effort for? If you have a force in Ukraine for six-to-nine months, when you rotate, you have to know the people going in are as good as those coming out. That creates a training requirement and a resource requirement. That is why the MoD has to spend.”

    Tilting at Mordor when the Shire needs scouring. There must be people gullible enough to die for infinity immigration, Net Zero, grooming gangs, mosques and kebab shops, but I don’t think you could fill a bus with them.

    *And it’s always old men. I don’t know anyone under the age of 40 who thinks Russia is their enemy

  24. PJF – Might need to brush up on your first commandment there.

    Take the beam out of your own eye, sinner. I render unto Trump what is Trump’s.

    Funny, it only seems like a couple of months ago you were earnestly reminding us that America is not our friend.

    The US government is not our friend. The British government is our deadly enemy.

  25. “Drummond says: “There are no doubts that our forces, even as they are today, would provide a good account of themselves. They would deliver an extremely painful bloody nose to the Russian Army. ”

    Probably from laughing so hard they get a bloody nose…

    This besides the fact that “A bloody nose” doesn’t quite cut it against Ivan. He gets to hit back, after all…. And Slavs don’t stop after the first punch…

    The Delusion is strong in this one….

  26. Today’s news: According to AFP and German police, one person is dead, and several have been injured as a car drove into a crowd in the German city of Mannheim.

    Police spokesperson Stefan Wilhelm said that a driver drove into a group of people in Paradeplatz, a pedestrianised street in Mannheim, killing one person. Several people were injured, he said, but police cannot yet specify how many or how badly.

    Last month, a 2-year-old girl and her mother died two days after they were injured in a car-ramming attack on a trade union demonstration in Munich.

    This is intolerable, so why do people tolerate it?

  27. Grikath – the story seems to be, we have a “world class” army that only has 20 working tanks.

    They also don’t have enough self propelled artillery to equip a single regiment, but they’re “world class”.

    Haven’t won a war since 1982, but that was world class an’all.

    It must be true, we spend £50 Bn a year on defence. The British Army maintains the biggest collection of world class broken down tanks in these world class islands. But have no fear:

    In five years time the British Army will be twice as lethal as it is today.

    40 tanks!

  28. Sparta is a very bad exemplar for citizenship criteria. No, it wasn’t just serving in the army. They had a number of criteria and ended up in a purity spiral.
    The number of citizens kept going down, to the point where they were finally conquered because they ended up with only about a thousand citizens, far too few to defend themselves no matter how good an individual fighter was.

    On the other hand, citizenship now seems far too easy to acquire – and it still doesn’t help with defense.

  29. M – Sparta was a horrible place, run by cunts.

    Spartiates were a gang of parasites who prided themselves on doing no productive work, with regular random murders of Helots to terrorise them.

    Sounds a lot like the new social order the British and European governments are establishing with their new, privileged class of violent, abusive migrants.

  30. Let’s get the RN and the RAF to defend our waters and run down any expeditionary adventures. Let our coalition partners do the land warfare. I don’t like the idea of some EU army deploying our chaps while theirs work from home.

    We are supposed to get 148 Challenger 3 tanks by 2030. Unless Milibrain finds out they aren’t electric.

  31. RAF HQ down the road has Gurkha guards, and there are several families settled in the village (one runs the local ‘chinky’). They are uniformly good folk, but you don’t want to mess with them (not that anybody local would think of it). The mums usually have a stall at the fete selling home-made Nepali curry (excellent). If all immigrants were like them, I doubt anyone would have a problem, but sadly …

  32. – the story seems to be, we have a “world class” army that only has 20 working tanks.

    That was the other day; hasn’t it gone down yet? It isn’t surprising that someone who is prepared to believe utter shit, believes utter shit.

    There’s no doubt our forces are run down; we don’t spend enough and for political reasons we focus what we do spend on our integration with the USA. The integration is a good policy up until the point the USA goes absolutely batshit fucking mentalist, at which point the policy becomes a severe and very expensive misadventure. We shall have to see how the coming days and weeks pan out (or maybe as soon as tomorrow); it might turn out that all our military equipment is inappropriate for future needs and numbers of tanks are irrelevant.

  33. Chris M

    I have a lot of Nepali/Gurkhas where I live.

    They are lovely and very funny. A lot work as security in supermarkets and are pretty chunky fellows. The local hospitals have a lot fo Nepali women working there too.

    They are just the sort of hard working amiable people that we should allow into the country. I can quite see where the Lumley ‘reforms’ have caused a problem, though, for both sides. We have to be careful that there is proper integration and not ghettoisation, which is already happening on a small scale.

  34. PJF – That was the other day; hasn’t it gone down yet? It isn’t surprising that someone who is prepared to believe utter shit, believes utter shit.

    Do you ever have anything of value to communicate? We are already aware of your dislike of hearing what you don’t want to hear.

    There’s no doubt our forces are run down; we don’t spend enough and for political reasons we focus what we do spend on our integration with the USA. The integration is a good policy up until the point the USA goes absolutely batshit fucking mentalist, at which point the policy becomes a severe and very expensive misadventure. We shall have to see how the coming days and weeks pan out (or maybe as soon as tomorrow); it might turn out that all our military equipment is inappropriate for future needs and numbers of tanks are irrelevant.

    There’s no “we” anymore. Only Who/Whom. British people are third class citizens in their own country, and our government can’t think of anything better for us than dying in a ditch in Ukraine, or dying in a ditch in the former England of Net Zero/lorries of peace/the NHS and Crapita coming to bump off all the old white people the government wants rid of.

    The costumed servants of this regime can go piss up a world class rope, because nothing they do has anything to do with defending our people. Although I would be in favour of a Manchildren’s Crusade: we should hoover up all the deluded souls who want to fight Russia, and send them to Kyiiiv to get their wish.

    It’ll be the most exciting 20 minutes of their lives.

  35. Do you ever have anything of value to communicate?

    I suppose I could indulge in a big angry sulk of how we’re all worthless shit and it’s all pointless and shit and old white die immigrant rapist NHS Milliband trans Nuland queer green kebab Nazi, but you seem to have the drug addled morose tosser angle pretty well tied up.

    Not sure why you think it’s only you allowed to wear the clown nose. If you’re too stupid to figure out the “20 tanks” is per unit (brigade, regiment?) then you deserve nothing more than to have the piss ripped.

  36. PJF – I suppose I could indulge in a big angry sulk of how we’re all worthless shit and it’s all pointless and shit and old white die immigrant rapist NHS Milliband trans Nuland queer green kebab Nazi, but you seem to have the drug addled morose tosser angle pretty well tied up

    What would you rather I told you? Everything is great, lads, join the army? It was only five minutes ago they were letting paedophiles out of prison so they could jail hundreds of English people for Twitter posts.

    Shit’s unreasonable.

    But you still aren’t listening. Not sure why you bother replying when you don’t read what I said. It’s not “we” who are pointless shit. They are. The people wearing our government and its institutions as a skin suit. I don’t identify with the people who have degraded our country to this point, and I think you’re better than that too. That’s the point I am badtemperedly trying to make. I’m bad tempered because what they’re doing to our country is awful. I can’t say anything good about it because that would be a lie.

    Not sure why you think it’s only you allowed to wear the clown nose. If you’re too stupid to figure out the “20 tanks” is per unit (brigade, regiment?) then you deserve nothing more than to have the piss ripped.

    No, the figure being reported is 20 working tanks in the British army.

  37. The Pedant-General

    There was someone on the squawk box suggesting we only have 24 SP guns – barely enough for a single regiment of artillery. I remember when we could field that – just from the University OTC units…

  38. On the subject of tanks, there’s an excellent youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/@MrHewes ) which consists of the exploits of a Leicestershire farmers son who has diversified into repairing old tanks, mainly Cold War stuff. He’s particularly hot on Centurions and Chieftains. In fact given he and his mates managed to field 6 working Chieftains at an armoured vehicle show last summer, they appear to be well on their way to matching the British Army for firepower (except their guns have been decommissioned, sadly).

  39. Steve said:
    “the figure being reported is 20 working tanks in the British army.”

    I live near the Tank Museum; pretty sure they’ve got more than 20 in running order. A bit old though, some of them, but then so are the ones the Russkies are using.

  40. PJF – I had another Google and it’s been reported both ways, or at least so headlines would have me, a drug addled morose tosser, believe, but I think you’re right that it should be 20 working tanks per regiment, not across the regiments. We don’t have that many regiments (or even tank hulls) in the first place (hence the confusion), but I apologise for doubting you and also apologise for the subsequent tank sperging.

    The Ukraine war has seen insane levels of attrition in armour. Britain doesn’t have the mass to make a difference in that sort of fight (NB – not necessarily a criticism, it wasn’t designed to) 148 Challenger 3’s are a light lunch to the nightmarescape of mines, drones, artillery and missiles a tank faces fighting a modern war. So I am curious about your thoughts on Sir Keir’s proposal to put British troops in some sort of demilitarized zone in Ukraine?

    Good idea or bad? Personally, I think it sounds like a verse to Oliver’s Army.

    The Pendant-General – yes, the arty situation is looking quite scanty, like Ritchie’s combover:

    The United Kingdom has removed the AS90 artillery system, an armored, self-propelled artillery gun, from service and donated those systems to Ukraine as part of its military aid to that country. While laudable, the U.K. has done little to replace them.

    At the moment, the ex-British Army AS90s are replaced by 14 Archer systems, a Swedish-designed self-propelled artillery gun, which is an interim measure until the Mobile Fires Platform, a joint U.K.-German initiative. However, it could take up to five years before that platform entered service.

    There are quite a few MLRS systems knocking about, but apparently the (expensive) ammunition stockpile would only be enough to cover a weekend bender in Donetsk.

    Would it not be an idea to spunk some of that defence spending on munitions factories Oop North, to homemake as many weapons as reasonable? Build a strategic reserve, export opportunities? Plenty of Jim Hacker photo opps with smiling workers. Why not?

    And rope in the yoonis to help design and build British drones. And counter drones. Get something useful out of the Education budget, for a change.

    Jim – the best British and world tank of all time is Mk I. It must have been designed with the strange prescience of one who has seen The Future, nipped into Our Price, and browsed the heavy metal album covers. It looks like something out of Warhammer 40k, and apparently that was also the experience of the men inside.

    WW2 British tanks tended to be good enough to defeat Italians, and with historical retrospect it’s hard to believe something as simple as sloped armour as per the T-34 was such an amazing design advancement, yet is so. But our tanks definitely had the best names.

    Let’s face it, the Panthers and Tigers will forever be associated with failure and war crimes, so it’s the Valentines, Matildas, Centurions, Crusaders and Covenanters who win “best tank names”. That’s why we won WW2, with some minor assistance from the United States and Russia.

  41. RichardT – A bit old though, some of them, but then so are the ones the Russkies are using

    They’ve been using T-62’s, T-64’s and even T-55’s. Museum quality pieces, and probably worse tanks than any working Chieftain. The mainstay on both sides is/was still T-72 variants, which are perfectly decent tanks (not sure if Ukraine has more Leopards now? An excellent tank.).

    But if you can’t move ten feet before hitting a landmine, and you’re surrounded by a cloud of drones, some bearing shaped charge gifts, does it really matter if you’re driving a 50’s shitbox with ad-hoc applique armour slapped on by a drunk and surly Ivan? Nyet very much. The British Army is apparently going to add “cope cages” to its tanks, so at least they’re learning. The drone situation is unreasonable at the moment, Russia is using a lot of fibre optic spooled drones which are extra annoying as they are EM silent and can only be jammed with a big pair of scissors.

    Russia also treats tank hulls like ships, even if it’s a rusting hulk and the commo and fire control kit are burnt off, the tracks look like Shane MacGowan’s teeth, and the turret is in another postcode, their military pikeys will drag it back to Russia for a rebuild. But they will also improvise in the absence of armour. If we do fight them in WW3 we’d better be prepared for Assault Ladas, and the only reasonable counter to that is a yellow XR3i with furry dice and a teal blue “Dave and Sharon” sticker on the windshield.

  42. Steve, the absurdity of the figure itself should have alerted you. The lack of mainstream coverage (no, the Independent doesn’t count anymore) of such a spectacular story should have set your alert level back to “bollocks”. The “reported both ways” came from the same organisation. There’s no reason to believe the per regiment number either; the source has no credibility. I’ve little doubt numbers are below proper levels; I’d hazard a guess that it’s lack of personel rather than lack of vehicles.

    – I am curious about your thoughts on Sir Keir’s proposal to put British troops in some sort of demilitarized zone in Ukraine?

    I’ve already said, I think it was here, that I’m totally against sending our forces to monitor an arbitrary halt in fighting that is nothing more than naïveté by Donald Trump. They would effectively be guarding Russia’s occupation against some very pissed off Ukrainians. Both sides would harass any “peacekeepers” with contemptuous hostility.

    – The people wearing our government and its institutions as a skin suit. I don’t identify with the people who have degraded our country to this point, and I think you’re better than that too. That’s the point I am badtemperedly trying to make. I’m bad tempered because what they’re doing to our country is awful. I can’t say anything good about it because that would be a lie.

    You seem to have forgotten that we are in the middle of your cunning plan to launch Nigel straight into Number 10. The Tories are gone and the accelerated grinding destruction of the fabric of our nation by evil commie clown perverts is something to celebrate as the people will soon be flocking to Reform to save us all. Or some shit.

    As with your hero Trump, you currently seem more enamoured with the prospect of seeing the destruction of the alliances and arrangements that have kept the West in peace for last 80 years. That excitement will also fade (chaos and serial war will do that) and you’ll have something else to be bad tempered about.

    I suggest you fuck right off. If you have transferable skills, transfer them somewhere your kids will have a chance of a future. If not, encourage them to equip themselves for the same. And pray they can do so in time.

  43. PJF – There’s no reason to believe the per regiment number either; the source has no credibility. I’ve little doubt numbers are below proper levels; I’d hazard a guess that it’s lack of personel rather than lack of vehicles.

    No, it’s believable given decades of MoD budgets being busted by capital overspends and a resulting lack of money for Tesco basics like spares and maintenance. There’s similar horror stories coming from the French and German armed forces about historically low levels of operational capability. Trump isn’t just finger wagging about NATO members failing to pull their weight, this has been a long festering problem and the Yanks have warned them for decades, but it’s only gotten worse – especially in the post-Iraq/Afghanistan malaise.

    The strongest non-USA military is Turkey (or Turkiee, or whatever they call themselves now.) And they’re as trustworthy as the sweating, nervous guy in a zombie film who swears he wasn’t bitten.

    I’ve already said, I think it was here, that I’m totally against sending our forces to monitor an arbitrary halt in fighting that is nothing more than naïveté by Donald Trump. They would effectively be guarding Russia’s occupation against some very pissed off Ukrainians. Both sides would harass any “peacekeepers” with contemptuous hostility

    Yes, I can’t see any upside to Britain to incurring another NornIron type liability. I also see no reason for the British government to promise at least £3Bn a year to Ukraine for the next several years, as part of a 100-year alliance? Eh, what do we get out of that? Will Burisma hire one of Two Tier’s nepo babies?

    Another eye-poppingly expensive commitment that seemingly has zero opposition in Parliament. What philanthropists we are ruled by.

    You seem to have forgotten that we are in the middle of your cunning plan to launch Nigel straight into Number 10. The Tories are gone and the accelerated grinding destruction of the fabric of our nation by evil commie clown perverts is something to celebrate as the people will soon be flocking to Reform to save us all. Or some shit.

    Yes, I think something like the democratic revolution that brought Trump 2.0 to power is likely to happen here in the fullness of election cycles. (Unless they take the Romania/Germany? option and cancel elections or criminalise the opposition. Which won’t work either in the longer term – and there’s always a longer term, life is a fucker that way)

    What’s dispiriting is how much ruin exists between election cycles. Trump has achieved tremendous things in just 30 days, we’re discussing our government’s plan to start rationing our meat diet, NHS death squads, or which bodily organs that awful, silly woman Rachel Reeves wants to tax next. I’m wel gel.

    As with your hero Trump, you currently seem more enamoured with the prospect of seeing the destruction of the alliances and arrangements that have kept the West in peace for last 80 years. That excitement will also fade (chaos and serial war will do that) and you’ll have something else to be bad tempered about.

    If these previously useful alliances and arrangements can’t hold up to modern critical scrutiny, whatchagonnado?

    But I also don’t see any reason for panic. Trump – and I love him – is a carnival barker. A real American archetype. Not a revolutionary. He just wants a better deal for the folks back home. I’m surprised he keeps getting away with it. As long as nobody at NATO pulls a Zelensky, it’ll be fine.

    Also, I don’t think there’s even a tiny risk of being attacked by Russia, unless our government did something incredibly provocative or threatening to them first. (Why?) You may think that naive, but if we managed not to engage in war against Russia during the Cold War, why not now? We have no obvious reason to quarrel. They are not – may Allah forgive me – Communists.

    The Western editorial line has always been the same as the Skibereen Eagle:

    It [The Eagle] will still keep its eye on the Emperor of Russia and all such despotic enemies — whether at home or abroad — of human progression and man’s natural rights which undoubtedly include a nation’s right to self-government. ‘Truth’, ‘Liberty’, ‘Justice’ and the ‘Land for the People’ are the solid foundations on which the Eagle’s policy is based.

    I suggest you fuck right off. If you have transferable skills, transfer them somewhere your kids will have a chance of a future. If not, encourage them to equip themselves for the same. And pray they can do so in time.

    Narp, I am the eternal autochthon. My people were Baldricks going back to ancient timeſ, and by God I will also die on this sod. Probably due to pumas, hopefully not autoerotic asphyxiation. But you never know x

  44. “As with your hero Trump, you currently seem more enamoured with the prospect of seeing the destruction of the alliances and arrangements that have kept the West in peace for last 80 years. ”

    From my perspective, this is the creative destruction needed to destroy the current Western political elite’s ideology. Net zero, de-industrialisation, mass immigration, universal welfare social disintegration and general wokery cannot coexist with the need to defend a country (or bloc of countries). The former precludes the latter and vice versa. So now we as a country face a stark choice. I have no idea if we will take the right path, but what Trump has done is crystallise our position into a very clear decision, that must be taken. Prior to his current actions that decision wasn’t even within a hundred miles of being on the table. Now it is. That (IMO) is progress.

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