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We’ll beat the fascists by being commies!

Third, unless steps are taken to tackle this issue, the false narratives of hope offered by Reform, which would deeply damage the well-being of most of those who might vote for that party, will carry the day, and we will have a crisis with fascism in this country.

How to achieve this?

Start by massively redistributing income and wealth.

It’s, umm, very persuasive, no?

36 thoughts on “We’ll beat the fascists by being commies!”

  1. Bloke in Germany

    To be quadruply sure we must redistribute wealth towards new arrivals to these shores, ensuring equality for all. Candidly, that’ll show the so-called “reform” party.

  2. The left thinks that the world would be just peachy if the little pie cut just be cut up equally so everyone gets the same share. This always results in the pie becoming smaller still but hey, at least everyone gets the same amount.* The only way that poor people have ever become less poor is when free market capitalism has resulted in such a huge pie that there is enough for everyone, no matter how it gets carved up.

    *Except for government wonks and various hangers on, they are far more equal obviously.

  3. Martin Near The M25

    If you asked Spud the time he’d say it was time to redistribute wealth.

    BTW I think you need to crack down on the spammers promoting their junk links.

  4. The government spends 45% of GDP – how much does he want.
    (Will he share his housing wealth with the poor and if so how?)

  5. OT but you’re getting a lot of shit spammed in suddenly Tim (see Jaida Huel above)

    Why not give a few of us long termers (not me) access to a moderation capability with a strict remit only to remove obvious spam?

    It would get around the issue of comments taking forever to be approved (by you or the other chap) and if anyone fucks around you can remove their access.

  6. “Start by massively redistributing income and wealth”.
    He could lead by example by telling us how much of his income and bank balance he’s going to give to some tosser who has never worked a day in their life, and has no intention of doing so.

  7. “Start by massively redistributing income and wealth”.

    I thought I’d ask Perplexity what were the seven deadly sins. Its reply included Envy: Resentment or desire for another person’s possessions, qualities, or luck.

    Seems to fit the bill, to me.

  8. No doubt he wrote his Taxing Wealth Report in order to line himself up as Redistribution Commissar. What was the point of it, if not?

    As Sowell points out, ownership is the power to decide how a resource is used, and not used. Spud wants to own everything, and everyone.

  9. My wealth is already being ‘massively redistributed’, thank you very much… I reckon that the total annual tax-take HMRC has from me, ‘a pensioner’, is barely 20% of the cost of providing a ‘boat person’ with accommodation and dibs for a year – and it would be considerably greater if it wasn’t for the fact that a majority of my ‘income’ comes from dividends protected by an ISA.

  10. On many blogging platforms, it’s possible to do settings to the the effect;
    – All the people on this pre-approval list can comment and their comment appears immediately.
    – Anyone not on this list, their comments need to be approved bya moderator.

    And the moderator sees comments coming in with options to click:
    – Approve this comment
    – Approve this comment and add the person to the pre-approval list
    – Bin this comment.

    So the workload falls to almost nothing after a week or two.

  11. CJN: That’s similar to what I did with a wiki I manage. New posters are asked a random question out of a sample of four, which anybody posting would know the obvious answer. Along the lines of “Who is the Adam Smith Institute named after?”

  12. “We want: A strong extraordinary tax on capital of a progressive nature, having the form of true partial expropriation of all wealth.” from The Manifesto of the Italian Fasces of Combat, 1919.

    I always find it a bit weird how most of the people who talk about ‘Fascism’ don’t know what their policies actually were. Universal suffrage by regional list voting, with proportional representation, voting and eligibility for women? The prompt enactment of a state law enshrining the legal eight-hour workday for all jobs? Minimum wages? The participation of workers’ representatives in the technical operation of industry? The entrusting to the proletarian organizations themselves (who are morally and technically worthy) of the management of public industries or services? How many people fighting ‘Fascism’ would seceretly agree with most of their policies?

  13. “The only way that poor people have ever become less poor is …” No. People historically also got less poor when a calamity killed lots of people so that the survivors were, on average, working more fertile land and perhaps more of it. E.g. after the Black Death, after the downfall of the Roman Empire in Italy.

    Or whenever the climate cycle turned in their favour. Of course after a few generations of breeding like billy-oh they would usually be back where they started.

  14. @NiV

    How many people fighting ‘Fascism’ would secretly agree with most of their policies?

    Years ago I sent a lefty mate of mine a cut-and-paste of the BNP manifesto, with only the bit about immigration removed, and asked him what he thought of it. He was most enthusiastic, and did not enjoy it when I pointed out the source.

  15. So poor people become less poor by becoming more productive, then? Who’d have thought it?

    The corollary is rich people becoming less rich by becoming less productive and pissing it all away. See: everything the Spanish ever did. All that looted gold. Now where are they?

  16. Interested,

    There would be disadvantages to setting up any kind of account system on a blog like this. Logs could be subpoenaed to identify and punish wrongthinkers.

    I’d suggest this site, especially its clientele, is particularly vulnerable to democratic states wishing to uphold the law and crack down on wrongthink.

  17. I notice nearly all the spammers have links in their names, so that’s one obvious filter for a start. It’d be tedious but a ban on links in posts would also help. Neither of these would keep out the likes of “Jaida Huel”, though.

    What is this brown-nosing scam for? What does it achieve? It mystifies me.

    And yes, it’s probably better to endure the spam than have accounts and logs.

  18. I find a very useful timesaver is to ignore any proposition which includes the word “massive”

  19. NiV, I think “anti-fascists” generally don’t like the idea of spittle-flecked people in uniforms being in charge and telling everyone what to do. That’s their job. Exhibit A: Spud.

  20. ‘Start by massively redistributing income and wealth.’

    A communist fallacy. Wealth CANNOT be redistributed, only destroyed. ‘Wealth’ is a financial state, not the assets. Taking assets and giving them to someone else doesn’t make the someone else wealthy.

    The communists’ objective is in fact the DESTRUCTION of wealth, the elimination of the prosperous. In a word: dekulakization. The problem for us NORMAL PEOPLE is that we project our own decency on the communists, because we don’t understand they aren’t like us.

    Murphy has made it clear that he thinks that there should be no transactions between two people without a government agent present. A short step from all transactions are with the state. A government economy.

    Recoil whenever you hear ‘wealth redistribution.’ It’s a lie.

    ‘Tax the rich
    Feed the poor
    Till there are no
    Rich no more’

    10 Years After, 1971

  21. @BiG

    Logs could be subpoenaed to identify and punish wrongthinkers.

    Yep, that’s why I specified ‘a moderation capability with a strict remit only to remove obvious spam’.

    I take steps to stay anonymous, not least because I don’t want to be persona non grata at previous places of employment (and I probably, amazingly, would be), but I assume the security services could identify us all if they wanted to. I think though that ‘all I agreed to do was to moderate obvious spam’ would be a decent defence (and they’d be more interested in what we say in our own posts anyway).

  22. Interested

    Given people are being arrested (or at least visited by the police) for wrongthink and having ‘A lot of Brexity things’ is now undesirable I think its fair to say we could all be looking at incarceration sooner rather than later if this government prevails in the next election.

  23. You will never be a Stalin. You have no NKVD, you have no T-34, you have no gulags. You are a liberal man twisted by the Guardian and BBC into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.

  24. There’s a reason several of us post from this anon account. Must be at least 3 of us since I’ve seen a thread with two different people using it, neither of them being me…

  25. Martin Near The M25

    @Norman. They’re trying to boost the visibility of links to their site in search engines. This maybe worked in the 1990s. I doubt it still does but most of SEO is guesswork and snake oil.

  26. Does anyone still use search engines, except to Google “Instagram” maybe?

    Search is so deprecated that Google search is now worse at finding what you want than Yahoo! was in 1997.

    Anon – you’re never alone with auditory hallucinations.

  27. They’re trying to boost the visibility of links to their site in search engines.

    Are they including any links? I’m just seeing a short sentence in broken English, no links anywhere. I was wondering what the point was, to be honest.

  28. “Yes NiV. I’ve always felt antifa is a fine example of fascist storm troopers.”

    Stalinist storm-troopers, actually. Antifa originated in 1930s Germany, where the left split into various factions. Around the 1890s they realised that the proletariat in Western countries weren’t interested in revolution, so some of them sought out an alternative. The Fascists, National Socialists, and the ‘democratic’ Socialists (more like our Labour Party) all abandoned the idea of a revolution overthrowing the government, and instead opted to take over the government for themselves, either fast as dictatorships, or slowly and gradually as left-wing welafare-state democracies. The Communists denounced then as traitors to the cause, selling out to the system. The Fascists were denounced early on, and Antifaschistische Aktion was formed in 1932 as a street terrorist organisation to take on the democratic Socialists in Germany who Stalin had labelled “Social Fascism” at the 6th World Congress of the Communist International held in Moscow in 1928. They were the Communist equivalent of the NSDAP ‘brown shirts’ and the Fascist ‘black shirts’.

    Essentially, Antifa are against Fascists not because they’re evil, but for not being evil enough.

    It’s also sort of where the labelling of Fascists as ‘right wing’ started. Relative to the extreme-left radical Marxist academics who got driven out of Germany by Hitler and into Western universities, they sort of were right wing, and they wrote all the history books.

    The Fascists were originally militant Syndicalists/Trade Unionists, rather more in the Arthur Scargill style, and were regarded by Western leaders as rather less dangerous. (I think they got worse only after they made an alliance with Germany for oil, after we embargoed them for messing around in Africa. Fascist intellectuals were always rather contemptuous of National Socialists’ racism.) Antifa come from an even darker place – violent revolution, gulags, and pogroms.

  29. @Martin Near The M25

    On closer inspection “Jaida Huel” has a link in his name. Hadn’t spotted it at first. Tim, there’s the fix: no links in names. Continue to offer them in the contact form, but then blackhole those replies.

  30. Bloke in Germany

    Moderators would have to have accounts.

    One more thing you can trace to an identifiable person.

    I don’t doubt a lot of us on here are identifiable to someone prepared to put in the necessary biographical effort, especially if they can get IP addresses, but that effort is unlikely until Europe/UK go full Stalin. the problem appears to be minor now, and the last time was so long ago I can’t remember when.

    Gotta go, there’s a knock at the door.

  31. I’d just like to declare, for the record, that everything autobiographical I have said here is complete, fabricated bullshit.

  32. @BiG

    Moderators would have to have accounts.
    One more thing you can trace to an identifiable person.

    That’s why my original comment said: ‘Why not give a few of us long termers (not me) access to a moderation capability’

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