Antarctic ice has grown again – but this does not buck overall melt trend
Study shows ice sheet gained mass from 2021 to 2023, due to extreme snowfall that was also an effect of climate crisis
More ice is evidence of the climate change that is melting all the ice. The climate change contention is not falsifiable that is – therefore it’s not science.
That the climate changes is science. The man made bit and all that follows from it is just bollocks.
One of my beefs with climate science is that there’s lots of this post hoc fixing going on. Like not getting warming for nearly a decade because of El Nino. That’s a pretty big bit of the modelling that you missed. So, what else have you missed?
I have a feeling that like most academic modelling, it’s fairly shite. Like that Covid model that we shut down a country for, that took no account of people altering their behaviour. Some bloke was noodling away at it in a corner and left alone to get on with it. It’s not like commercial models that have to work, because that’s how you get a Porsche.
I remember the look on Al Gore’s face when Carl Sagan was wittering on about the atmosphere of Venus and how we’d better not let earth get too much CO2 or else Global Warming. His little eyes lit up as he realised another fortune beckoned. It didn’t matter that there were no Venusians rushing around in their flying saucers or their Range Rovers. Gore played his cards like a typical US politician, very loud, lots of shouting and no facts but ir did work…
Global Warming. Falsifiable. Debunked.
So it changed to Climate Change. Meh, the climate has always changed.
So it changed to a major panic oh dear climate catastrophe. Because you can’t argue with emotion.
All so that unsavoury characters can rip off the taxpayer/electricity-bill-payer and funnel a fraction of it back to the Labour Party. Similar unsavoury characters and political parties exist in other countries.
” The climate change contention is not falsifiable that is – therefore it’s not science.”
Jesus that took you long enough. Most of us got there by 2009 (when the Climategate scandal occurred. No reason whatsoever to believe a jot of it after that).
But I’m sure Ralph Miliband’s sons only want what’s best for you goys.
Richard Feynman sums up how to check a scientific theory less than a minute into his famous lecture on the scientific method.
Or we say, compare to experiment or experience. Compare it directly with observation, to see if it works.
If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. And that simple statement is the key to science. It doesn’t make any difference how beautiful your guess is, it doesn’t make any difference how smart you are, who made the guess, or what his name is. If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. That’s all there is to it.
Jim @ 8.54, I wonder how long we’ll have to wait for the next “Just for the sake of argument, lets accept the man made global warming bollox is right and do what that nice Mr. Stern said”?
Or has the light gone on Tim?
The rate of sea level rise is unchanged in a hundred years.
Antarctic ice comings and goings are irrelevant. These ‘scientists’ are cackling hens.
It’s funny about Carl Sagan.
I was enthralled by Cosmos on telly and so started following what he was saying in speeches and interviews.
I began to have my doubts even 40 odd years ago and by the 1990s had concluded that he was a cretin.
Otto – Carl Sagan was a strange man who paved the way for smug, midwit weirdos like Black Astronomy Man*, Bill Nye the Pedo Guy, and the little twat from D:ream. One thing about scientists is how shockingly stupid and ignorant they are outside the narrow confines of their limited subjects.
I read Carl Sagan’s book “Contact” and it was rubbish, but at least he didn’t move to Sri Lanka to be close to gratifyingly poor young boys or write anything as horrible as “Childhoods End”.
About 10, 15 years ago, Atheism had a bit of a moment, and Carl was one of their most popular saints. Remember the “I fucking love Science” fedora guys? Remember Richard Dawkins was popular? Most of them are trannies now and you rarely hear about “the atheist movement” anymore as it quickly devolved into ID pol, feminism, and other wanky nonsense. “Rationalism” could not endure, so they should have put their faith in Jesus Christ instead.
* “There are more stars in the Universe than there are bicycles in my front yard” – Neil deGrasse Tyson
Interesting video that is relevant to the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eW6Eagr9XA
Basically no ‘climate scientist’ can consider themselves an expert (nor economist for that matter).
For 70% of Earth’s 4.5 billion (approx) year history there have been no polar ice caps.
It is rare for the Earth to have two ice caps meaning simultaneously, so there being two at present is abnormal and the degree of the current cool phase is unusual.
If one or both ice caps melt, that will be “normal” for Earth.
“It is rare for the Earth to have two ice caps meaning simultaneously, so there being two at present is abnormal and the degree of the current cool phase is unusual.”
I thought we were in an interglacial period, and that was the anomaly? The ‘normal’ condition of the planet being pretty frozen. Ice ages last 100k years, interglacials about 10-15k. Therefore the earth having 2 ice caps is in fact the norm, not rare.
At the time I assumed that December 2010 – 1.1C colder than any previous December in the Met office UK records – would falsify Global Warming and end the hoax. But it didn’t:
“That snow outside is what global warming looks like”
George Monbiot Mon 20 Dec 2010 20.30 GMT
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/dec/20/uk-snow-global-warming
Jim: we are in a period of ice interspersed with short warm interglacials, one of which we are in now. However over longer geological periods the Earth was warm all the time, and very cold all the time (snowball Earth). The long term changes like that are probably due to plate tectonics and the shorter period variations due to orbital changes – eccentricity, axial tilt and precession.
So to sum up, we can’t do a damn thing about the climate*. It can get cold, it can get hot. All we can do is adapt. And do sensible things to protect ourselves against it. Because nature is trying to kill us. Nature is not our friend.
CO2 is not the control knob. Cows are not the problem. It’s annts and termites, but nobody complaiins about them.
ISTR that the theoretical significance of “the Earth having two ice caps simultaneously” was to make the current ice age unusually sensitive to the Milankovitch cycles because an icy landlocked polar ocean and a ice-capped polar continent have opposite meteorological responses to seasonal variation, so if you have one at each pole then (because of their opposite seasonal phases) their global effect is that of mutual reinforcement.
Gamecock learned many important things from Carl Sagan.
Gamecock bought his book, “Cosmos,” and marked it up with a lot of red ink. Yes, he got many things wrong. But he got many things right, and provided an extremely important viewpoint of science.
Gamecock rates him “hero,” warts and all.
Pale blue dot.
Yep GC, Sagan is loveable.
@steve “and the little twat from D:ream” – Steve, you win the internet again.
About 10, 15 years ago, Atheism had a bit of a moment
That ‘moment’ appears doesn’t seem to be stopping any time soon. The UK now has a secular majority, notwithstanding the import of millions of your fellow theists; with the trend broadly mirrored globally. It’s something of a snowball effect: once people are freed from superstition there’s no going back. Even in Iran, tens of thousands of mosques have closed in recent years.
Antarctic ice has grown again – but this does not buck overall melt trend
Study shows ice sheet gained mass from 2021 to 2023, due to extreme snowfall that was also an effect of climate crisis
So, WTF is “proper” mass-gain by ice sheets? Penguins driving Zamboni ice-rink spreaders mayhap?