The Westminster event came the day after meetings in Brussels, where delegates, hosted by the Irish MEP Seán Kelly, met MEPs from the European parliament’s political groups to build support for reparations from former colonial powers.
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The lobbying event was organised by the Repair Campaign, an independent group funded by the Irish telecoms billionaire Denis O’Brien, which commissioned the researchers to produce plans for what reparations might look like in different Caribbean countries.
Dublin was once Europe’s biggest slave market. So what are the Irish chipping in then?
Reparations – As the people of Africa caught and sold the slaves in the first place they should be first in line to pay them.
I am guessing a bit, but Dublin slave market surely sold white people as slaves. So it can be ignored.
As with Bristol. Displayed the Irish naked, to be sold into slavery. 1650s I think.
So, people who have never had slaves, have to give money to people who never were slaves? Of course, it all makes sense now.
Dublin: hell’s bells the Irish were keen on slavery long before the Vikings arrived. You must know the autobiography of St Paddy?
reparations from
formercurrent colonial powers.Got to give Liverpool a chance.
The reparations were countries which, at independence, had all that was needed to properly develop, and become prosperous and self sustaining.
Zimbabwe is perhaps the most striking example.
Having proved their probable genetic incapability of running anything other than into the ground, they can all go and take a flying fuck at a rolling donut as far as I’m concerned.
The same Denis O’Brien who gave a donation to government ministers in Ireland just before being awarded the second telecoms license? The same Denis O’Brien who owns several telecom companies in the Caribbean. I wonder what he’s hoping to get for commissioning the report
I expect us to be paying reparations to the world before the end of this parliament.
Only when the country is completely ruined, and people on the verge of starving, will they accept the new plan, of permanent control and surveillance of all in the name of ‘safety’.
Masked gangs of immigrant paramilitaries with sticks and guns will patrol the streets to ensure compliance.
Or is that a Philip K Dick novel? Can’t recall.
“Its ecosystem is a model for crypto-sustainable wellness economies in post-crisis civilization.”
At last a bot says something amusing. How many more hurrah buzzwords could you jam into one sentence?
Interested
I am worried you are like the Christopher Walken character in the film ‘The Dead Zone’
Diane Abbott MP, Dawn Butler MP, Paulette Hamilton MP, Juliet Campbell MP, Lady Margaret Curran and Lord Marvin Rees were among those who met with the delegation in Westminster, days after the Jamaican government announced plans to ask King Charles to request legal advice from the privy council on slavery reparations.
Every single one of those Parliamentarians should be charged with high treason and suspended from Parliament. In the interim the HRA section relating to the death penalty can be repealed by a Reform UK government and we can witness the prospect of Abbott or Butler, probably two of the ten leading racists in the UK facing a potential Capital sentence.
I agree with reparations, how much can we expect the blacks to pay us?
The Labour MP Bell Ribeiro-Addy, chair of the APPG, said the Westminster meeting “made it very clear that reparations were not a fringe issue” dominated by British activists, but a matter of global significance, adding that Jamaica’s approach to King Charles was “key”.
So, bongo, bongo, bongo, I don’t wanna leave the congo, oh no, no, no, no, no
Bingle, bangle, bungle, I’m so happy in the jungle; I refuse to go
Don’t want no bright lights, false teeth, doorbells, landlords; I make it clear
That no matter how they coax him, I’ll stay right here
‘I agree with reparations, how much can we expect the blacks to pay us?’
About the only sensible statement about reparations that I’ve seen, Steve!!
Bboy – since the negroes in Africa hadn’t invented roads or the wheel by the time the white man turned up with his boom-sticks, and were still trying to master fire, I estimate these slavery entrepreneurs owe us a trillion magillion pounds each or they can all fuck off back to Africa.
Either or.
Also, this is a very unfriendly act by a foreign national who needs to be slapped down.
When are we putting sanctions on Denis O’Brien’s massive fat Irish head?
He should be denied entry to Britain as a minimum. We stole Abramovic’s yacht for a lot less.
It occurs to me that if King Charles is foolish enough to go along with this, it’ll be the end of his family getting to “rule” over anything. Agreeing to take repamarations seriously means a declaration of guilt, a moral surrender to people who want to destroy all statues and artwork of his ancestors and displace his loyal subjects.
Who wants to make a bet on what King C will do? Does he own a second shirt?
“It occurs to me that if King Charles is foolish enough to go along with this”
He is. Question is, where is the money to come from? Apparently we’re broke and poor Rachel is crying about it. So, I can only see three sources:
1. We print it. Instant Zimbabwe.
2. We “tax the rich”. Instant departure of “the rich”. (Er, “the rich” includes Big Ears. Has he thought of that?)
3. The government confiscates the property of wypipo and gives it to blackpipo. Which ones? All of them? How do you choose? Also, “the property” in practice means housing and control of productive enterprises. Instant Zimbabwe, as above, plus instant civil war.
And, er, what about this small problem?
https://archive.ph/31b2y
Bring it on.
The only reparations we owe anyone claiming reparations is an immediate return to their sacred ancestral land. This is to be determined by genetic testing, with the preponderance winning out.
Hopefully, they’ll kill you before they take all your stuff.
Y’all still glad the Yankees won the Civil War?
Print it in the currency of the recipients. As much as they want, they just need to accept UK-printed Jamaican dollars or whatever. It’ll all turn out OK, cos they will all be rich before they notice any possible secondary effects.
Is Gamecock the only one who read this as the All-Party Paramilitary Group on Afrikan Reparations?
Charity begins at home, Denis.
Norman – I think it’s time King Woke and his family were chased from these shores.
The reason is, we’ve suffered seeing so many of our institutions become weaponised against us, it’s time to start delivering consequences to our failed “elites”. Might as well start at the top.
Charles willingly went to Davos to launch the creepy “Great Reset” with Klaus Schwab. Britain should reset its relationship with big ears instead. We are already too rich in posh clowns who want us to live in some kind of Third World slum powered by windmills, we won’t miss him.
I readily admit, I was one of the first to be on my feet at dinners for the Loyal Toast.
I wouldn’t have continued once Charlie was in situ, whether or not under social or employment pressure to do so, because he’s a nasty, stupid, unfaithgful, jug-eared, sausage-fingered, Bentley-driving-but-Green-propaganda-bullshitting cunt, but I stopped doing it for his mother, a woman (or at least the nominal figurehead of a country) I would once have gladly died for, the day she said my family and I were selfish for deciding not to bother with the Covid vaccine.
In retrospect I should have stopped many years before, but as with so many other things it took Covid to remove the scales.
Interested – Yarp, I don’t think you’re alone or that I’m howling at the Moon any more than usual.
Previously, republicanism was a wanky leftwing cause and the best reason to keep them.
But now we’re in the situation of complete institutional failure, the monarchy is no different to the BBC, or the RNLI, or the “leaders” of the churches. A previously respected institution that no longer does anything worthy of respect, yet expects to be respected.
Because there’s no reciprocity. King Charles doesn’t have his subjects’ backs. He is not our guy. He’s probably not intelligent enough to understand the profound danger he’s put his own family firm in. Britain desperately needs a king, or any leader really, but Charles cannot provide us with any leadership and the Royal roadshow is playing to smaller and smaller audiences of deluded elderly people. It’s not relevant to our lives, and Charles’ attempts to become relevant put him on the side of the deeply unpopular and discredited ruling class every Western nation is desperately struggling to get free of.
If you’re a king, act like a king. If you’re the Archbishop of Canterbury or the Pope, act like you care about your flock. It’s not rocket surgery, yet we’re still oversubscribed with weak men who want the tassels and baubles of high station without doing anything in return to deserve it.
Don’t want republicanism? Don’t fancy President Blair? Let me suggest AI monarchy. Train it with the history of the UK up to May 1945. And the Bill of Rights 1689 and Bagehot. It doesn’t need a family or castles or a jet. It can however question or even veto a bill. Make it as cynical and sceptical as possible.
It can’t be as bad as KCIII.
I doubt Prince William would be any better. Instead of Greenery he’s obsessed with mental health, which is costing us billions a year for layabouts with “anxiety”.
I nominate St Tony Blair, but with an absolute prohibition against the provision of any security.
One notes it’s July 4th today. One has sympathy for their views on the British Crown. “No taxation without representation!” Starting to sound awfully familiar, isn’t it?
Klaatu barada nikto.
We spent about 7% of GDP for a hundred years patrolling the Atlantic Coast stamping out the slave trade. We do we hand them the bill?
Rhoda – Let me suggest AI monarchy.
ChatHRH
But computers can’t save us from the competency crisis, of which a monarchy that no longer groks its own purpose is just a vignette.
Look at the Cabinet: how many able and successful* people who inspire confidence in His Majesty’s Government do you see? The answer is none, isn’t it? None more crap. And let me tell you, the pointy haired bosses who run our big corps aren’t any more inspiring. Somehow we have ended up with a system which stifles or weeds out competent, courageous people, and rewards morons and cowards instead (see: the sinuous Sir Keir). A kakistocracy.
To read the history of Victorian Britain is to be assailed with the astounding number of brilliant men their age produced. Wot hoppen?
*Successful in doing something that adds value to the economy, sorry lawyers
Philip – I doubt Prince William would be any better. Instead of Greenery he’s obsessed with mental health, which is costing us billions a year for layabouts with “anxiety”.
I think two things can be true at one: mental elf is a real crisis in our society. People are taking the piss. It’s a much misunderstood problem, and although society is more open to talking about it than before, misunderstanding still abounds for what is an intrinsically subjective affliction. Prince William’s concern for this ishoo does him no discredit, nor does King Charles’ concern for the environment, or young people, or things of that nature.
They’re just making the mistake of forgetting who they are and what they represent. It’s fine for them to have pet causes, but they shouldn’t be *about* the ishoos. They should be about the supreme sovereign power, and pomp, and majesty, of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the apex of our social pyramid, personified. But they’ve essentially turned themselves into (sometimes rather tawdry) modern celebs instead and Charles in particular should have known better (what happened to no politics?) than to share a podium with Homo Chuck de Nomolos, aka Klaus Schwab, to announce creepy plans to limit and control every aspect of your life, ffs. What was he thinking?
One of the first things King Charles did was to trim down the Royal family even more. Why? He should have had the confidence to insist on more funding. Turn yourself into an Aldi’s own brand monarchy and what’s the bloody point? And if you’re going to insist on the regnal name of Charles (a fine, manly name I agree), you should at least have the decency to dissolve Parliament and rule by royal fiat. If he did that, I would love him forever and eagerly enlist in the cavaliers, although I am probably too old and fat.
But you’re guaranteed every single one of them is credentialed up to the eyeballs, Steve
Sometimes I think I’m so clever I’m getting all Steve’s references, like Chuck De Nomolos (and just how appropriate that is). Other times I think no matter how many I get I haven’t got them all. It’s like reading Pratchett.
(The Aldi own brand monarchy is from the reduced shelves and is VEEERRRy close to its best before date.)
I wish I got half of Steve’s references. Probably the most astonishing commenteer I’ve read. Rhoda close behind for pithy, shrewd accuracy.
Christ, Charles is shit. His son is little better. I was hoping that he and his missus would be the Firm’s redemption, mostly because she was as hot as hell before the cancer and really hadn’t put a foot wrong, but they’ve collapsed into woke nonentities.
Ah well. that’s the end of them, then.
Gamecock 2:16 4/7
I’m reminded of Firefly’s reavers: –
“First they’ll rape you to death, then they’ll eat your flesh, then they’ll sew your skin into their clothing. And if you’re very lucky, they’ll do it in that order.”
Steve,
Liz did fuck all for the country too. Most famously not liking Mrs Thatch. They should have gone after WW1.
Mostly they do pointless things to justify their existence. The whole thing of opening hospitals or visiting the commonwealth is a theatre version of when kings used to visit what they owned, make sure it was good.
“They work really hard”. But it’s bollocks. You could end it tomorrow and it would make no difference.
I sometimes think we’d work perfectly well with the Ankh-Morpork system, a monarchy where they forgot to put anybody on the throne some 300 years ago. Everything still works, everthing is still The Royal Mail, the Imperial Civil Service, The Royal Palace Guard, but the throne is empty, and the gold gilt has been replaced with chocolate foil. It’s very Pratchettian, the edifcae continuse to function perfectly even though the core has vanished, like an ancient tree.
Norman, Rhoda, and you other fine Blokes: thank you, and I always read your comments with great interest, never doubt it.
WB – Liz did fuck all for the country too.
Queen Elizabeth did a great job by the standards of the 1950’s. Not her fault the country changed for the worse. She embodied the magic and sparkle of royalty.
The monarchy’s fundamental problem isn’t of its own making. They did their dutiful best since the Glorious Revolution, but a constitutional monarchy is essentially a gilded hostage of the state. If the state is taken over by evil or stupid people, the constitutional monarch is of no use in the defence of the British public, and in fact becomes personally identified with their catastrophic policy failures, excesses and crimes. And a monarchy that is not loved by its people will not endure. Nobody mourned the overthrow of ten thousand despots and preening shahs of the Orient. Western kingship, otoh, is bound up with Western ideas about chivalry, Christianity, and the king being anointed by God (literally, by the Archbishop) to serve his people in a Christlike way. As an exemplar and a good shepherd. Well, those are big sandals to fill and we all stumble.
But King Charles will likely soon be putting his royal name to laws permitting the killing of unborn children at 9 months pregnant, and turning the NHS into a death service. Is that wise?
The alternative, since Parliament and the civil service have asserted for themselves vast, strange and frightening powers to micromanage, control and tax every aspect of your life and now death – with a hideous strength unimaginable in the days of James II – would be a historical pushback from the constitutional monarch to test the boundaries of his actual (?) versus (vast) theoretical power. Charles would, given how extremely radical his government is, be perfectly within his rights take a less passive role in the sausage machine, but that would be the kind of risk he was raised since boyhood to avoid. He would ask: “is that wise?”
But he doesn’t seem to be concerned in the slightest about the things we, his subjects, are concerned about. I don’t think he cares a whit. Charles seems to be a complacent person who genuinely prefers the “elite” consensus on any particular ishoo, probably because he doesn’t think too deeply, which naturally will estrange him from his subjects in these historically trying times. A king should remember: the plebs can always get a new king. Finding a new kingdom is trickier.
“They work really hard”. But it’s bollocks. You could end it tomorrow and it would make no difference.
That’s because they don’t have confidence in themselves as royalty. If they did, they wouldn’t make the work part of their identity. It’d be a little side gig or whatever. The real job of royalty is being royal. Essentially, being in command. The king is our sovereign, after all.
@Interested
I get the impression that a lot of Brenda’s sense came from the odd quiet “just keep out of it” from Phil. You could rarely tell what she genuinely thought about any issue, other than that she believed in Britain and her people. It was pleasant, it was consistent, it didn’t alienate anybody.
Once he was past it, she started getting bounced into commenting on things that she wouldn’t have before. Like the Covid moopoo.