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However, new modelling by Stanford University and Italian researchers suggests that while the vaccines did save lives, the true figure was “substantially more conservative” and closer to 2.5 million people worldwide over the course of the pandemic.

The team estimated that nine of 10 prevented deaths were in the over-60s, with jabs saving just 299 people aged under 20, and 1,808 people aged between 20 and 30 globally.

Overall 5,400 people needed to be vaccinated to save one life, but in the under-30s this figure rose to 100,000 jabs, the paper suggests.

Given that, with rare exceptions, covid itself was only dangerous to the over 60s.

The lower these numbers get the worse lockdown looks as well, eh?

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Ottokring
Ottokring
1 year ago

If you were lucky, the vaccine did nothing to you…

rhoda klapp
rhoda klapp
1 year ago

As Otto hints, this data needs to be balanced against vaccine damage and excess deaths due to non-covid causes. Excess deaths which are still happening for various reasons connected with lockdown but not the vaccine itself.

JB
JB
1 year ago

Vaccination of the young prevented them spreading the disease to otherscand is an essential contribution to ‘herd immunity’. My son-in-law (29) got long Covid early in the epidemic and is still crippled and unable to work so deaths are not the only consideration. My friends nephew (32) died leaving a widow and two small chidren so he was not the only victim.

These are strong arguments in favour of cheap and effective mass vaccination for all.

Addolff
Addolff
1 year ago

“As of 10 April 2023, a total of 50 648 deaths caused by ‘COVID vaccines’ had been reported in EudraVigilance”. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-001201_EN.html

I feel for those who were incapable of checking whether it was the right thing for them to do and did what they were told to do by ‘the experts’ (including the government).
I have no sympathy for those who could have done some research, chose not to, but still felt qualified to ridicule those of us who looked at covid, looked at the ‘vaccine’ and decided it was all a crock of shit.

Anecdata – My brother was in ICU eight days after getting the jab. He is now having three transfusions a week as his bone marrow is not producing antibodies.

Lots of people out there need to hang……….

Addolff
Addolff
1 year ago

JB @ 7.21, evidence please………

rhoda klapp
rhoda klapp
1 year ago

“Vaccination of the young prevented them spreading the disease to otherscand is an essential contribution”

Except it didn’t stop the spread at all and pretty much everybody got covid at least once. They told us it would prevent spread and simultaneously that the unvaccinated were a threat to the vaccinated. There was no testing which justified those contradictory claims.

Ottokring
Ottokring
1 year ago

Exactly RK

The promises made by the ‘experts’ were never true, simply because they had no idea what effects the vaccine would have.

Would it prevent ? ( Answer : no )
Would it offer immunity ? ( Answer : no )
Would it make symptoms milder ? ( Answer : perhaps )

The whole project was sold to us on what they would have liked the vaccine to have done.

Punishment ? Knighthoods all round !

Grist
Grist
1 year ago

My A level biology from 1970 told me viruses start off lethal then mutate to become less harmful. Host dies =-virus dies.The government exploited the general ignorance of the difference between bacteria and viruses. “Wash your hands aqnd kill the virus!” If only TTK had been told he could have saved the embarrassment of the HIV test…

dearieme
dearieme
1 year ago

“new modelling”: ah. And by whom? By people who argued for compulsory vaccination or by people who were sceptical from the beginning?

There has been so much lying that I wouldn’t believe anyone who pronounced the vaccine useful unless they admitted that their new evidence had made them change their original view. Liars continuing to lie are not persuasive to me.

How about this lot? Dunno, but I do remember that Stanford gave a hard time to vaccine sceptics, up to sacking some.

Ottokring
Ottokring
1 year ago

Grist

I wonder what else TTK had to wash ?

Grist
Grist
1 year ago

Ottokring, my brain cries “Information overload!” at the very thought of it…

Emil
Emil
1 year ago

As many have said, you don’t need modelling to understand that thisbwas a bad idea. Just looking at myself is proof enough. I had covid at least twice once before and once after having two vaccines. This is already prood enough that the vaccines were not working. Also while having covid I felt much better than I did after having the vaccines

Esteban
Esteban
1 year ago

A few add’l curious things from the States:

The Feds paid a bonus to hospitals & families if they put “covid 19” on death certificates. And numerous people who worked in facilities have said that they were instructed to attribute deaths to the Fauci virus if they so much as suspected it.

Also, flu deaths dropped from the 30-40 million range every year to near 0 in 2020. Miraculously, those little arrows on the supermarket floor completely stopped one respiratory virus but, sadly, were ineffective against another.

A year or two after the magic jabs were introduced the CDC very quietly changed the definition of “vaccine” on their website.

Norman
Norman
1 year ago

It became obvious we were being sold a crock when the contradictory and pointless stuff already mentioned stared to emerge. Were this a real, existential problem there’d have been no need to manipulate and gaslight the public in this way.

Why? ‘Cos incentives, as we all know.

I read Carl Heneghan’s Substack. If you want to know what’s real, read a bloke who obdurately considers only high-quality evidence.

And RB, the jabs didn’t prevent transmission. They barely lowered it. That was their fundamental problem. Jabbed children didn’t save the old. All they did was get their DNA fucked up.

Gamecock
Gamecock
1 year ago

Fake. They are making it all up. They first assume the efficacy of the vaccine (sick), then proceed from there.

Gamecock wants to know the names of a few who were Saved.

jgh
jgh
1 year ago

20 years ago my friend’s wife died at 35 from spontaneous lung failure, leaving a widower and young child. Shit happens.

Baron Jackfield
Baron Jackfield
1 year ago

Is there actually any proper empirical evidence that the vaccines achieved anything at all? From what I remember, the mortality stats hardly differed between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. Added to that was the method used for defining “death from Covid” – i.e. anyone who died within 28 days of getting a positive test result – something that had never previously been used for an infectious disease tilting the stats in “favour” of Covid as a killer.

Certainly, the few trial results that managed to wriggle-out into the open were distinctly more than “dubious”. (IIRC).

John B
John B
1 year ago

Modelling is not reality. It’s just guesswork.

There was no controlled randomised, comparative study of mRNA inoculated people v non-inoculated people over age 70.

It just isn’t possible to conclude that an inoculated person, but for the inoculation, would have developed CoVid.

“… with rare exceptions, covid itself was only dangerous to the over 60s.“

That’s like saying everyone over 60 dies, and in any case not true.

SARS Cov 2 viral infections were serious in those individuals with compromised immune systems and with existing medical conditions. Infection therefore was serious in the over 70 age group with existing medical conditions – that’s because other medical problems are more prevalent in the over 70s – and in younger people with weak immune systems.

The average age of death from CoVid was 82 years, and 95% had one or more comorbidity.

There was no controlled randomised, comparative study of mRNA inoculated people v non-inoculated people over age 70.

It just isn’t possible to conclude that an inoculated person, but for the inoculation, would have developed CoVid.

Jim
Jim
1 year ago

” the jabs didn’t prevent transmission. They barely lowered it.”

There is in fact evidence they increased the likelihood of contracting covid. Several studies showed increasing rates of infection among the vaccinated over the unvaccinated.

asiaseen
asiaseen
1 year ago

@John B
That’s like saying everyone over 60 dies, and in any case not true.

Well, yes, it is true. Everyone, regardless of age. dies eventually.
What, I think, you meant to say is: “Not everyone who dies is over 60”

Ottokring
Ottokring
1 year ago

1. There is a 100% correlation between eating peas and dying.

2. I lost two relatives in rapid succession in the Summer of 2020. The first (82) died of “Hospital Acquired Pneumonia” the second (79) died of Covid19+comorbidities but the certificate did not mention that they caught COVID in the hospital while visiting the first relative,

Western Bloke
Western Bloke
1 year ago

From early on, the data told us what was going on. The average age of death was 83. It was very old people. Just like very old people get the flu and die.

I know people blame politicians and drug companies, but all the polling said have a shut down. When I stood for the libertarians on lifting the lockdowns (and this was after vulnerable people had been vaccinated) it wasn’t a popular message. There was a party of independents stood across Swindon on an anti-lockdown ticket and they got 30-40 votes per ward.

It was collective madness for a while. The one benefit of the bullshit vaccine was eventually getting lockdowns finished. Didn’t really matter if they worked, but the public thought they did and that then made them feel safe again.

Jim
Jim
1 year ago

“I know people blame politicians and drug companies, but all the polling said have a shut down. When I stood for the libertarians on lifting the lockdowns (and this was after vulnerable people had been vaccinated) it wasn’t a popular message. There was a party of independents stood across Swindon on an anti-lockdown ticket and they got 30-40 votes per ward. It was collective madness for a while. ”

I’ve always said we got lockdowns because thats what the people (most of them at least) wanted. The majority of the UK public wanted and approved of lockdowns. Yes the media were banging the drum for lockdowns early doors, and urging the politicians on, but without the support of the public behind the idea, it wouldn’t have flown. As our host often tells us, newspapers respond to the prejudices of their readership rather than attempt to direct them. And in the case of lockdowns the MSM was just articulating the desires of the majority of the UK public. How great a majority I couldn’t guess, but well in excess of the amount of support any government can ever draw upon. You only have to look how popular Boris was at the height of the covid mania. The masses thought he was doing a great job.

Which is why there will never be some great reckoning regarding lockdowns, too many people don’t want to be reminded they supported it all. Just pretend it never happened, brush it all under the carpet, nothing to see here.

Norman
Norman
1 year ago

But this is the point, Jim. Left to it the public would have locked themselves down, as Sweden did. They didn’t need Ferguson and that weird little Tintin lookalike Whitty scaring them shitless or Vallance being Darth Vader, and as for that Communist cow given free reign over the public messaging…

These cunts thought all their Christmasses had come at once, and they were right.

Official lockdowns justified the money printing. If it becomes illegal to run your public-facing business the government is deliberately making you bankrupt. Of course you’re going to demand government money to tide you over. It’s not your fault you can no longer trade.

But there’s a further point. If government hadn’t made the lockdowns official and your customers had merely stayed away because of their fear, you wouldn’t have been able to claim on your business continuity insurance. You’d have gone bust. The whole stupid process acquired its own momentum precisely because government wasn’t straight with us. They should have done what the Barrington Declaration proposed. That they didn’t speaks volumes.

The public psyche is still fucked by this and 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th order consequences now sprout around us.

Ottokring
Ottokring
1 year ago

Jim

The public support of lockdowns is one of those circular ( or is it spiralling ) arguments.

The people are told that deadly disease is coming.
People demand protections.
People are told how to protect.
People do it.

So standing in the queue at Tesco’s there are grumblings, but generally because they have been told that this is a very dangerous situation, they go along and approve of it, despite the fact the these countermeasures make no sense.

They knew no better, because this generation has not faced a crisis of this nature before.

Again standing in the queue, I overheard a conversation that went “Well, it stands to reason. I can’t get into India unless I can prove I have had a jab for Yellow Fever.”

And it did stand to reason, but only because the govt, medical profession and media were lying to us.

I very much doubt that they will get away with it again, without much resistance. Sections of the population know now that most of what we were told was simply made up.

Bloke in North Dorset
Bloke in North Dorset
1 year ago

From what I remember, the mortality stats hardly differed between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

There was a claim going round that research showed that deaths from Covid 19 in the two groups, vaccinated and unvaccinated, were the same. It turned out these were raw numbers and didn’t consider the denominator ie the size of the pool and something like 90+% of the population was vaccinated.

Gamecock
Gamecock
1 year ago

Gamecock’s theory is that the vaccine (sick) did indeed get people killed.

The theory is that people who got vaccinated (ha ha) BELIEVED they had been vaccinated. Their behavior changed. Meanwhile, Gamecock was wiping down everything he touched at the gym, washing his hands incessantly, never touching his face, etc. The ‘vaccinated’ lost their paranoia, and stopped taking precautions. May they rest in peace.

Gamecock
Gamecock
1 year ago

“Wash your hands aqnd kill the virus!”

February 2020 is when I realized Fauci is a quack.

“Wash your hands for 20 seconds with hot water to kill the virus.”

In 1964, high school freshman biology student was taught . . .

“Suppose you go to the bathroom and shit all over your hands. You go to the sink and turn the water on [oh, crap, what did you leave on the faucet handle?!?!]. You grab a bar of soap and start washing. What are you trying to accomplish? You’re trying to get all the shit off your hands. Do you want the shit to die? What? Once it goes down the drain, you don’t care what it does.”

Fauci’s fallacy is you are trying to kill it; in fact, you are just trying to get rid of it, you don’t care weather it dies or not.

Anti bacterial hand soap is big business. Plain hand soap works just the same. But, hey, capitalism!

Norman
Norman
1 year ago

I remember reading that soap bursts the microbial cell and therefore kills it. Whether this also applies to viruses, I don’t know. I think the article I read suggested it does. But you have to do the whole thorough 30-second scrubbing thing.

philip
philip
1 year ago

where were the human rights lawyers when this nonsense was going down?
Oh. The most prominent human rights lawyer was leading the opposition front bench to demand more stringent lockdowns, curfews, vaccine mandates, school and business closures, travel restrictions…

philip
philip
1 year ago

Is long covid the new ME?
Is there a reliable test for it?

Norman
Norman
1 year ago

After the initial hysteria I changed my approach from masks (when it became clear they didn’t work) and handwashing to acquiring a bulletproof immune system instead. Having always had hay fever I was familiar with the idea that immune systems need something to have a go at and if surroundings are too clean they have a go at themselves instead. It’s a plausible explanation for the rise in auto-immune problems like allergies, lupus etc. that were essentially unheard of before the C20.

We’re a social species adapted to being generous with our germs. I reckon the enforced lockdown isolation from others’ germs must have consequences.

I think my wife and I had Covid in February 2020. Definitely never had it since. In fact, we’ve both been in robust respiratory health ever since.

rhoda klapp
rhoda klapp
1 year ago

“where were the human rights lawyers when this nonsense was going down?”

Never mind the loss of human rights, which they would have dismissed as an emergency temporary measure. Starmer’s duty was to oppose. To examine the wisdom and legality of the runaway train of public health. And the effectiveness of the measures. He did not do so. Further, it appears that he did not spend time learning about being in government either. If we needed a speaking jack in the box we could have got one from Mattel.

When Westminster and Whitehall all agree without debate, the public is gonna get screwed.

Addolff
Addolff
1 year ago

Surprising that our resident expert in all things covid, Grikath, hasn’t show up to comment. Perhaps, like Jefferey Barnard, he is unwell…….

Paul, Somerset
Paul, Somerset
1 year ago

From the article: “Earlier studies may also have underestimated how many people had already been unknowingly infected by the time they had the vaccine.”
___________
An illness so debilitating that most people didn’t know they had it.

Gamecock
Gamecock
1 year ago

“I remember reading that soap bursts the microbial cell and therefore kills it.”

I think that is true.

In January, 2021, my 32 YO son, who was living with me at the time, contracted Covid. First day was serious, next 4 he just had a moderate sore throat. We designated which parts of the house were his, and which were mine. We established protocols in the kitchen, which we had to share, as to who could touch what and where.

I never caught it. I believe I am simply immune to Covid. My body can deal with any exposure – which is not necessarily classic immunity, the reactive formation of pathogen specific antibodies. Perhaps my lifelong hay fever, like Norman, has something to do with it.

philip
philip
1 year ago

Three natural experiments showed early on that covid was a nothing burger for anyone in previously good health.
Diamond Princess
2688 passengers, 567 infected, 14 died
(cruise passengers are mostly coffin dodgers already)
1023 crew, 145 infected, none died
note that the aircon circulated the virus throughout the vessel

USS Roosevelt
About 1250 crew, not even enough sickness to fill half the onboard hospital, no deaths

FM General de Gaulle
about 1000 crew, no deaths.

So by March (!) 2020 the truth was plain to see.

Baron Jackfield
Baron Jackfield
1 year ago

@Bloke in North Dorset – July 26, 2025 at 2:10 pm

There was a claim going round that research showed that deaths from Covid 19 in the two groups, vaccinated and unvaccinated, were the same. It turned out these were raw numbers and didn’t consider the denominator ie the size of the pool and something like 90+% of the population was vaccinated.

That may have been the case (i.e. the “official line”), however, the stats I saw concerned percentages of the cohorts, not the raw numbers.

Charles
Charles
1 year ago

@Addolff – “Anecdata”

One of the problems with anecdata is that vaccines contain some or all of the infectious agent. Covid vaccines exposed the user to the spike protein. If someone had an adverse reaction to that, it seems highly likely they would have just as severe reaction to infection. In an environment where infection was unlikely, this might mean vaccination would be contra-indicated, but exposure to Covid is pretty much unavoidable, so any harm caused by vaccination is likely inevitable. The complexity of the body’s reactions to infection and vaccination is why we need to rely only on randomised controlled trials, which allow for a huge range of factors that we are unaware of.

@Grist – “My A level biology from 1970 told me viruses start off lethal then mutate to become less harmful.”

Yes, but that’s not as useful as it seems. It’s not very useful to tell people that some will die and not to worry because some will live. And we can subject an infection to selection pressure – if we isolate people quickly after we detect infection, this will provide a big advantage to variants which specialise in quick infection or slow developmest of symptoms. Other variants which specialise in making the most out of each host will be at a disadvantage.

@Norman – “Left to it the public would have locked themselves down, as Sweden did”

But would they? Maybe most people would have, but there’s always a few who are too stupid or selfish to stay at home when they have a sniffle or cough and end up spreading it around.

– “They should have done what the Barrington Declaration proposed”

No. That was a stupid idea. It was like an idealistic socialist manifesto – it would work if only the world were a different place.

@Gamecock – “wiping down everything he touched at the gym”

Well, I don’t want to discourage you from doing that, as it helps prevent other diseases (such as herpes), but it’s probably completely useless against Covid which is transmitted through respiration. To protect against Covid, use ventilation and separation – i.e. don’t allow an infectious person close enough that the exhaled virus gets inhaled by someone else, and dissipate any virus in an enclosed space.

@Norman – “I remember reading that soap bursts the microbial cell and therefore kills it.”

I doubt it. And viruses are too small to have cells. If soap could burst cells, it would be dangerous to get it on your skin.

The way soap works is by having mulecules which have both hydrophobic and hydrophilic parts. If you’re trying to clean off a hydrophilic substance (e.g. sugar), you don’t need soap. Water will dissolve it and a bit of mechanical action will dislodge particles which get surrounded by water and washed away. A hydrophobic substance cannot be cleaned off by water alone. For example if you have some butter on a plate and try to rise it off, the water doesn’t stick to it and runs off. If you apply mechanical action (such as a brush), you’ll just spread it around the plate under the water. Add soap, however, and everything changes. The hydrophobic part, repelled by the water is pushed up against the grease, which it sticks to. The hydrophilic part keeps the surface wet. Now when you apply mechanical action, any particle wich is dislodged is surrounded by soap and then water, so is repelled by other grease and easily rinsed away. Any grease which is partially detached from the dish, gets surrounded by the soap and water layers, so does not stick to the dish or other grease, so rubbing back and forth eventually dislodges it.

That is why you need to wash with soap and water for long enough that you have mechanically dislodged enough of the dirt and it has had a chance to be rinsed off. If you’re doing it to remove visible dirt you don’t need as long as when you’re doing it to get rid of invisibly small amounts of dirt such as infectious particles.

It’s worth bearing in mind that experts reacting to Covid were thinking of the 1918 “Spanish” flu which killed plenty fit and healthy people of all ages. Humanity has suffered from many deadly plagues, and the big problem with the next one is that if you wait until you are sure that a disease is deadly enough before taking action, then it’s too late for action to work.

Gamecock
Gamecock
1 year ago

“Well, I don’t want to discourage you from doing that, as it helps prevent other diseases (such as herpes), but it’s probably completely useless against Covid which is transmitted through respiration.”

I don’t do it anymore. The Covid Age has passed.

Covid can be contracted from surfaces. Airborne is the most common form of transmission, but not the only one.

One day, ~2021, there was a man in the gym with a perpetual hacking cough. I went up front and asked them to kick him out. They refused to. So I left.

Jim
Jim
1 year ago

“But this is the point, Jim. Left to it the public would have locked themselves down, as Sweden did. They didn’t need Ferguson and that weird little Tintin lookalike Whitty scaring them shitless or Vallance being Darth Vader, and as for that Communist cow given free reign over the public messaging…”

It would be fine if thats all they wanted to do, protect themselves by withdrawing from the rest of society. The trouble is that many (maybe most) don’t want to stop there, they are desperate to get the whip hand over anyone who disagrees with them.

What covid taught me is that every society, however nominally enlightened and liberal has plenty of the types who will happily man the trains and herd the ‘infected’ into the ‘showers’, should the opportunity arise. And plenty more (probably a majority) who won’t actively participate in such behaviour but would tacitly approve.

I dislike my fellow human beings considerably more, post covid. I didn’t have an overly positive opinion of them before, afterwards its through the floor. I haven’t forgotten how the unvaccinated were treated.

Gamecock
Gamecock
1 year ago

My friends all thought I was goofy for not getting vaccinated (sick).

Now, I’m a f***ing genius.

At first, I was working to get vaccinated, it was very limited at first. Worked with my state senator to get a lead on where to get it. Then I started hearing that, well, it didn’t really prevent you from getting it. Then claims that, well, “it will give you a milder case.” I thought, “How the f*** would they know that?”

I grew up in the age of polio and smallpox vaccines. They worked. The chatter told me that the Covid vaccine wasn’t really a vaccine, so I backed off.

Addolff
Addolff
1 year ago

Charles @ 6.52, potentially coming into contact with an external virus is completely different from injecting something directly into the bloodstream.

Covid is a mucosal virus, so any systemic (ie: injected into the bloodstream*) ‘vaccine’ is going to have limited efficacy, if any at all. Anthony Fauci admitted this.

Most of the deaths during the Spanish Flu outbreak were from bacterial pneumonia, a secondary infection, not the flu. It is believed that anti-biotics would have saved many lives but they weren’t available.
They were available during covid however, but doctors were advised by the WHO and the UK government not to prescribe them…..

And during the Spanish Flu outbreak, the US Navy carried out experiments to see how the flu was transmitted. They got navy sailors to sit beside flu sufferers in hospital and were told to get as close as possible to their faces and breath in. For five minutes at a time, all day.

Not one contracted the flu.

*But weren’t we told it wouldn’t get into the system, it would only stay at the injection site? Oh, yeah, we were……..

“It is easier to con a man than to convince him he’s been conned”.

Esteban
Esteban
1 year ago

The Great Barrington Declaration was correct. Provide the resources so that the vulnerable can protect themselves and allow the rest of us to do as we please. The vast majority of the non-vulnerable would take some precautions, ranging from very stringent to modest. Aside from respecting individual freedom, all the harms from the lockdowns would have been avoided.

Sweden had the lowest increase in all-cause mortality, and they pretty much followed the GBD.

The lockdowns effectively gave a sickly 80-year-old an extra 6 months of life in exchange for an 18-year-old who died of an overdose and a 16-year-old who committed suicide. But, hey, the bureaucrats can show that the cases and deaths are lower than the model predicted. Success, comrade!

Esteban
Esteban
1 year ago

Re: the Spanish Flu, there’s an interesting theory that the death toll was largely iatrogenic – aspirin was the new wonder drug and was massively over-prescribed.

Norman
Norman
1 year ago

Charles, Sweden happened. So did Florida. Both did better than almost everywhere else. These are facts which cannot be disproved by theory or modelling.

Charles
Charles
1 year ago

@Gamecock – ” I thought, “How the f*** would they know that?””

But running a randomised, double-blind, controlled trial whereby 10,000 people get the vaccine and 10,000 get a placebo. They are all monitored for symptoms, disease, and any possible side effects. Then the numbers are compared statistically to see if there is a significant difference between the two groups. Since the patients do not know whether they got the real treatment or teh placebo, they cannot bias the results (e.g. with more risky behaviour by those treated), and since the medics monitoring them do not know whether they got the treatment or not, they cannot bias the results by being biases in assessing the nature of symptoms etc.

@Esteban – “aspirin was the new wonder drug and was massively over-prescribed.”

Seems highly implausible. You need quite a big dose for it to be harmful and humanity has a long history of plagues.

@Norman – “These are facts which cannot be disproved by theory or modelling.”

They are mere assertions which you have made without reference to any data to support them.

Norman
Norman
1 year ago

Stop being a supercilious cunt, Charles. The data is there should you choose to look for it. Next you’ll say my statement that the Earth is round is “a mere assertion which you have made without reference to any data to support it.”

And as far as the gold standard double-blind trial of the Covid vaccines are concerned, they were abandoned and the data polluted by vaccinating the control group. Heneghan and others have established this beyond doubt. You really are a fucking piece of work, approaching Murphy’s league.

rhoda klapp
rhoda klapp
1 year ago

Didn’t Heneghan also find differences in reported vaccine damage between batches and problems with quality control in the production of vaccines? All was not well with the ‘vaccines’ for covid.

Oh, I’ve heard the aspirin/spanish flu story too, and I seem t recall that the doses used were indeed heroic in their quantity. I asked Google and it tells me:

During the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, aspirin was widely recommended and used as a treatment, but high doses, often exceeding what is considered safe today, may have contributed to fatalities. The pandemic coincided with a period when the understanding of aspirin’s pharmacology and potential toxicity was limited. Some researchers suggest that aspirin overdose may have worsened the condition of influenza patients, leading to pulmonary edema and potentially increasing mortality.
Here’s a more detailed explanation:

High-dose recommendations:
Medical authorities at the time recommended large doses of aspirin, sometimes reaching 30 grams per day, which is far more than current recommendations.

Lack of understanding of toxicity:
Physicians in 1918 were not fully aware of aspirin’s potential for toxicity at high doses, including the risk of pulmonary edema.
Pulmonary edema and bleeding:
High doses of aspirin can cause pulmonary edema (fluid buildup in the lungs), bleeding, and other severe symptoms.
Confluence of factors:
While aspirin misuse is a significant factor, it’s important to acknowledge that other factors like bacterial pneumonia and pre-existing conditions also contributed to the high mortality rate of the 1918 flu.
Aspirin’s role in mortality:

Jim
Jim
1 year ago

“Didn’t Heneghan also find differences in reported vaccine damage between batches and problems with quality control in the production of vaccines? All was not well with the ‘vaccines’ for covid.”

I have no idea if it was Heneghan who found it, but its well documented that the covid vaccines contain all manner of crap in terms of DNA fragments that shouldn’t be there, bits left over from the manufacturing process. Way in excess of the legal limits for such things.

Also that the vaccines that were tested by government labs for safety were produced by a small scale bespoke lab process, while the ones put in everyone’s arms were produced by massive industrial processes that were rushing into production and bear little resemblance to the trial run process. Akin to getting a car prototype manufactured by hand by a team of skilled mechanics and it passing all tests with flying colours, and then producing hundreds of thousands of the same model on an automated production line thats only just been built and not tested at all. The people receiving these vehicles would be lucky if they even were driveable, let alone reliable and safe.

I remember thinking at the time that regardless of the safety (or not) of the covid vaccines designs the manufacturing facilities were implemented in such a rush that it was inconceivable that corners would not have been cut and errors made. I think still to this day no public health authority have ever tested the covid vaccines that were injected into people, rather than the specially produced versions the pharmaceutical companies gave them.

Bloke in Wales
Bloke in Wales
1 year ago

Didn’t Heneghan also find differences in reported vaccine damage between batches and problems with quality control in the production of vaccines? All was not well with the ‘vaccines’ for covid.

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/06/28/pfizer-vaccine-batches-in-the-eu-were-placebos-say-scientists/

Different batches of Pfizer-BioNTech mystery gene therapy correlate with different levels of reported adverse events. They also correlate with different levels of quality control testing from the German regulator (BioNTech is a German company)

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