It’s probably true that a party worker shouldn’t be saying such things about an old girlfriend of the party leader.
A particularly vibrant game of fuck, marry, kill, is also something I don’t think is misogynistic nor, wholly, a capital crime requiring the execution of a public career. But maybe that’s just me.
Sure, sure, it’s not particularly erudite and it’s certainly not polite but in the list of potential sins it’s really pretty venial. We are, after all, English, the defining feature of us has long been noted as being that we take the piss out of everything and use the rather base language and habits of Anglo Saxon to do so.
Oh yuck
That is so horrible. It is nearly as bad as Rayner on that rubber dinghy.
I think that I shall go and watch The Evil Dead to settle my nerves.
This is about politics not being English about these things. The Labour Party is has said to the electorate:
“You thought the Tories were incompetent and in disarray? Hold my beer.”
OK, fine, whatever.
But;
Why on God’s Green actually commit the conversation to some sort of mail/messaging system?
That level of stupidity is mind-buggering.
It’s arrogance, nor stupidity. These people think they are untouchable.
Why are these people always such ghastly sleazebags?
A more interesting question is why has this been leaked now?
Said to be a Mandelson revenge.
I suspect that this is one of those things that was known at the time, but sat on until it would, on the off chance, become useful later.
Which only shifts the question to useful to who and how?
That does make sense. And fair play to Peter Mandelson if it is.
I always thought that fuck, marry, kill was mostly a game the girls like to play so it’s hard to think of it as misogynistic.
When you can hear someone’s voice or see his or her facial expression, you can usually tell if it’s just dumb banter or if there is genuine malice. When you only have text, it’s much harder to be sure what the real intent was. But since this story involves members of the Labour Party, it’s probably safe to assume that they all utterly hate each other.
What gets me is how juvenile these people are. High proportion public school boys? Sure we’ve all got amusing quips about the sexual desirability across a range of women can be deployed regarding particular women. But playing a game based on it & discussing it later? I can’t think of anyone I know would want to do that. The lack of spontaneity would obliterate the humour. What makes the gags amusing is they get slipped in unexpectedly.
On the other hand, I suppose if you’ve been brought up believing Ian Hislop is.funny, what can you expect?
“What makes the gags amusing is they get slipped in unexpectedly.”
I always ask for the gags so that the neighbours can’t hear my scr…
Oh sorry, that’s not what you meant.
Bis –its the writing it down that’s wrong IMO. Love my local pub banter. Both sexes engage and quite funny, and by the time it gets coarse crucially everyone’s had a few. But recently someone put me on the whatsapp, called it (PubnickameC**ts) and carries it on on in text and pictures. Nope doesn’t work and I actively dislike what’s put on there at 3pm on a Monday.
HB. Shag marry, kill. This is being played by the sort of people wouldn’t stand an earthly of managing the first two & wouldn’t have the nerve to do the latter.
It’s really difficult to find out anything about Ovenden before he went to the University of Southampton. It is almost as if he doesn’t want people to know. I’ve been trying in vain to size him up
It was in 2017 for heaven’s sake. “They” really are out to curb Sir Cur’s boys, aren’t they?
Calling politicians ugly is just straight- out bollocks. Personally, I want want my politicians to be too old to shag; would signify the experience and wisdom this generation of politicos sadly lacks.
No, take it back 40-45 years; would I shag Dianne Abbot when she was that age? That young black girl with great breasts? Oh God, would I.