All British citizens could be issued with digital ID cards under plans being considered by Sir Keir Starmer to tackle illegal immigration.
The State just want’s to be able to track all.
All British citizens could be issued with digital ID cards under plans being considered by Sir Keir Starmer to tackle illegal immigration.
The State just want’s to be able to track all.
I do find it almost vaguely amusing that they seem to be hell bent on dropping their popularity to less than 10%.
Nonetheless It’s at this point you do wonder if some of the more far- fetched conspiracy theories are true. The introduction of ID cards would be consistent with a strategy of using Islamic auxiliaries to herd those of us here, among countless others into detention camps. For drinking alcohol or eating bacon.
Utterly irrelevant as far as immigration is concerned when Labours definition of clearing the asylum claim backlog (largely indistinguishable from the conservative version, just a bit quicker and more shameless) is giving 90% the immediate right to remain while the other 10% stick around courtesy of endless taxpayer funded legal challenges.
However, very useful for keeping tabs on and exerting control (shame about that bank account getting closed) over the rest of us.
Which hugely expensive and incompetent IT consultancy firm is going to get the contract for that, I wonder?
Contrary to many I think digital identity cards should be rolled out. Unlike physical ones they are very easy to verify that they are genuine and that the photo matches the person. It should also be easy enough to verify when they have been formally checked too.
No id then no work and no benefits. Employing someone without verifying their id and hence their right to work becomes a criminal offence too.
I don’t have any problems with the principle of id cards.
However
a) Most illegal immigrants claim asylum and eventually get leave to stay. True this might make staying here harder as they might not be able to work but they will still get leave to remain and benefits eventually.
b) the government are too incompetent to implement it. There is more chance of peace and prosperity in the middle east.
Just say no benefits, nor housing if you are not a British citizen and you have to pay net tax of a lot to be a British citizen (it should cost less to become one because they have paid lots in tax).
Niqabs and particularly burkas will make the whole thing impractical unless it is modified to “ID cards for whitey”.
I don’t mind digital id for occasional identity requirements, to get some privilege or other.
I do mind any suggestion that I MUST carry it or produce it on demand. That was decided in Willcock vs Muckle, 1951. Thank you Mr Willcock.
Of course I don’t want to be tracked using it, ever.
Andyf:
One problem with digital ID is being able to correct incorrect data on the server end without someone on the IT end being able to seamlessly fiddle with the correct data. Retroactively.
No, you weren’t and were never born here. Off you go to Elbonia.
But I’ve lived here all my life!
That’s not what the computer says.
The Post Office scandal was just bad programming, and it has caused endless problems. Imagine if someone is on the take to “regularize” people.
How would one carry a digital ID card if, like me, a person does not have a smart phone, but rather a PAYG one that allows me to talk to another phone user, but does nothing else? Just asking.
Wouldn’t it be simpler and cheaper to issue ankle tags just to foreigners?
@AndyF
Contrary to many I think digital identity cards should be rolled out
The problem with that one is if a digital ID becomes a legal necessity it’ll also become a legal “right”. So how are you going to “roll out” digital IDs for everyone starting from here? I live in a country has digital IDs. Regrettably, I’m going to have to apply for mine or if I leave ES I’ll have trouble getting back in. I’ll get it by presenting residence card, my UK passport & maybe my ES driving license. But all of those were issued on the basis of my UK identity documentation. For a Spaniard, they’ve had ID docs going back decades. They’re created with registration of birth.
It’s quite possible to have lived in the UK with no ID documentation whatsoever. Sure you have health numbers, NI numbers, tax numbers, DL numbers etc etc. But it has been possible to live entirely without any of them. So on what basis do you issue digital IDs? And remember, everyone will be entitled to one as a “right”. It’s going to be a glorious opportunity for creating false IDs. I’d find the temptation virtually impossible ignore. Pop over UK side, tog myself out in Oxfam, abjure baths for a week or two, chuck a brick through a shop window & wait to be arrested. Magistrates court, suspended sentence, since I’ve been “living on the streets” my appointed social worker will sort me out a digital ID so I can “mend my ways & rejoin society”. With no birth certificate or any other form of ID documentation. It’s my “right” innit? So I walk away with a government provided moody identity. Very useful that.
I’ve actually given serious thought to this. I reckon flying in occasionally on my UK passport I could acquire a passport – Not hard to find a “professional” who has “known” you with some judicious greasing of palms. Never had problems before. Apply for a provisional, take the driving test produces a DL. A bit of social engineering opens some bank accounts. End up with a wallet full of useful plastic. I could turn that in half a million clear in a year, no trouble. More with more time. Problem with ID cards. They make it all so easy.
BiS, is your family name “Kray”? Asking for a friend.
Incidentally, anyone who’s had experience with moody IDs will tell you how easy it is. Social engineering. The responsible people don’t look at you, they look at the card. If the card’s OK you must be. It’s probably better to be the same sex & species. But even then…
Norman. Life is a learning experience. For some of us, anyway.
“No id then no work and no benefits. Employing someone without verifying their id and hence their right to work becomes a criminal offence too.”
It is the national government’s prime directive to ensure that no one is present in the country who should not be employable. The government is failing. Miserably. Intentionally. So they wish to burden the citizenry with new bullshit. Using their failure against the people. It is Orwellian.
Oooh, so Evil Scum ™ like Sir Twotier want another go at ID cards because {insert pretext here}.
Must be a Good Thing ™ – Sign me up for Two !
Anyone who’s applied for a job, or employed anyone, in the last decade or two will know how much ID you have to collect to establish ‘right to work’. But this isn’t the case for the illegals being employed cash in hand as casuals on building sites, car washes or nail bars – how will demanding an ID card change any of that? (I recognise it might make things a bit easier for employers.)
The responsible people don’t look at you, they look at the card. If the card’s OK you must be. It’s probably better to be the same sex & species. But even then…
Back at university a friend accidently used his girlfriend’s cheque guarantee card when paying by cheque in the local Co-op. They took it without batting an eyelid.
Anyone who thinks the state won’t pay benefits to anyone without a digital ID card might be interested in this bridge I have for sale.
@M
Digital notary tech which is a crypto technique can be used to stop IT folks being able to change historical data (e.g. to delete people), or to be more accurate show it has been tampered with. Back in 2002 I heard of a product that used a non classified in the Times to provide indelible tamper detection. Now blockchains make it easy.
Fun fact – in Bill, the Galactic Hero by Harry Harrison which was first published in 1965, one of the minor characters digital record had been accidentally deleted following a computer tape breaking making them a non-person.
ID cards will not be used to deny immigrants welfare, housing, employment or access to the NHS, they’ll be used to deny all that to UK natives. Its the whole point of them.
Jim’s correct. They won’t be denied because they have “rights”. Rights that you don’t have.
@Andyf – “No id then no work and no benefits.”
So you haven’t started a new job, rented or bought housing, or opened a bank account recently?
Some form of ID is already required for many aspects of living here. ID cards do nothing except encourage the bureaucrats to add ever more demands.
@Gamecock – “It is the national government’s prime directive to ensure that no one is present in the country who should not be employable.”
So all newborns are to be instantly deported, to only be allowed back once they have finished education. And taking a time off when you’re sick gets you deported also. And you also get deported if you deceide to retire.