Britain badly needs a grownup party of the centre right. It won’t come from Badenoch – it may come from a new generation of one-nationers
The thing is, one nation Tories are no longer the centre right. That’s the centre left these days. Which explains why Polly likes ’em but not much else.
What the commentariat and many politicians consider to be ‘centrist’ – or centre left or centre right – is often not what the majority of the electorate want. Unless centrism is defined by what the majority want, ‘centrist’ means no more than the way that the liberal elite describe their group’s consensus.
By the way, here’s a classic example of centrist opportunism…
Did that come from Viz? Hard to tell these days…
No, genuine. LD cynicism knows no bounds…
I’ve said before: I had people in my area voting LibDem as we promised that we would let them vote to leave the EU.
LD cynicism knows no bounds….So they’ll be pro-Israel in a constituency with Jewish voters and pro-Palestine in a constituency with muslim voters.
She ends any pretence of a broad church, more a one-pew confessional. An immigration “removals force”, modeled on Trump’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE), would seize 150,000 people a year, including those with decades of indefinite right to remain. Even supporters would be shocked to see people who have been legally residing for years in their neighbourhood or workplace – the corner-shop owner or GP nurse – dragged away by force.
And why would I be shocked? The point being is the largesse allowed to such people has enabled countless others to get in here. Now I happen to think Badenoch is full of it and wouldn’t actually carry this out – as with the entirety of the 2010 to 2024 administrations they talk tough but when push comes to shove are fairly milquetoast Centre Leftists who crave approval of the Guardianista/ BBC set. However, a combination of ‘carrot and stick’ would work here. If you have someone (for example) a Ugandan Asian who has a cornershop and has been here since the 1970s help him get legitimate right to remain – at whatever cost that is. Jesus, there’s enough people in the IND for that. Of course the reason they won’t is, as with so many initiatives, a combination of Islamist supporters and ultra leftists in the civil service collude to undermine the policy by prioritising Septuagenarians who have been here decades over the ISIS headhackers we actually want to leave. Without Civil service reform then there’s no prospect of even Reform tackling the malaise. I would certainly look to proscribe Green Party membership for example for any civil servant on the grounds of the Leadership’s anti-semitism – ditto for the various Islamists. These people need to be rooted out. Is Badenoch up for that? I think there’s more chance of Richard Murphy producing something coherent.
Badenoch needs to root the Blairites and closet LibDems out of her own party first.
There’s one particular Ugandan Asian that I would like to see the back of – ‘bye Yasmin. She’s clearly not happy here since she claims the whole country is racist, so it would be for her own good.
Mr. W, it is amazing that for a country so obviously riddled with racism, so many brown people want to leave their own countries full of brown people and risk their lives crossing deserts and oceans to come and live amongst so many “middle aged white men” **(racists)
**Neville G.
Yeah, no, sorry, I wouldn’t be “shocked”. I’d wonder why the fuck they hadn’t applied for citizenship. It’s a total dog’s breakfast. This idea of “indefinite right to remain” leading to citizenship.
But most of this isn’t about the civil service. The main sins of civil servants are greed and sloth. Doing as little work for as much money. I’ve worked with all of them and none of them are politically active. The only reason they vote Labour is because Labour will give them bigger pay rises. The Tories just say this so they can carry on being milquetoast while selling being hardcore to voters “well, we would reform things, but the civil service won’t let us” *shrug*. Go hang out with the local Conservative Party. I joined once, so I could find the Rebel Alliance inside that could destroy the likes of May and I discovered there isn’t one. They all love Ruth Davidson, gay marriage and big government. I know one councillor who is of the Hayek/Friedman perspective.
Edit: I do know someone who is quite active, a bit lefty, and she’s wonderful. Because she cares, works really hard. She believes in government, but puts in a ton of effort and makes her little bit of government work very well. A tiny percentage of people in government are civil minded like that though. Most treat it like a holiday camp.
As VP says. If you’ve been here decades, why the fuck haven’t you applied for citizenship?
The vast majority of people in the UK have not applied for citizenship
Yes but she still doesn’t like ’em enough to vote for ’em.
People like Polly should be in a right wing politician’s Phantom Zone: who gives a fuck about Polly Toynbee. She is never, ever going to vote for you. And to get her vote, you’d piss off so many of the easy votes, it would have a negative effect. Which is pretty much what happened with the Tories. Foreign aid, eco, high taxes. Not going to sell to the average private sector working bloke. He might even get so pissed off, he helps out another party.
And please, don’t trust Kemi. She became a Conservative MP in 2017. If she was principled towards being a proper conservative, she’d have joined UKIP. The party was already obviously overrun by wets, hostile to the right. Cameron had already called kippers racists and loonies. The party wanted to be in the EU. This isn’t like Peter Bone, who was there, as the party had changed, and was fighting against it.
And the party is still overrun with wets because anyone a bit to the right is joining reform, offering help. If Kemi was elected, even if she was serious about shifting things to the right, she has loads of wet MPs like Nick Timothy and Jesse Norman who are not going to approve of a full-on shift to a Major-level, let alone Thatcher-level government.
The only thing to do is to destroy the Conservative Party at this point. It’s already happening. 16 Conservative councillors today jumped to Reform.
WB, you might be right about Jesse Norman, but some credit to him as he was the ONLY person at the meeting which imposed lock down who asked if a cost benefit analysis had been done.
The answer was no, by the way……
So, then what? Did he rebel against the party? Tirelessly appear in the media arguing against it?
Nobody trusts Kemi. It’s amazing how crap she is at politics.
But aren’t you amused by the Tories’ new schtick of desperately trying to convince you they’re more populist than Reform? I am loving this:
As for Reform, their policy was “scribbled in a pub on the back of a fag packet”.
The Conservatives would abolish the Immigration Tribunal, “thereby getting rid of every single activist judge”.
All this produced tepid applause.
The problem is bigger than Kemi. We had 14 years of NOT being what the right wanted. The right wanted less immigration, lower taxes. It’s like girlboss Star Wars.
Am I going to trust these fuckers enough to give them 5 years? Fuck no. This isn’t like Star Wars, where a trailer might look good. If it turns out it’s shit, I’ve only spent a tenner. I’ll be stuck with these cunts for 5 years if they’re lying.
My biggest issue isn’t Kemi. It’s that most of the parliamentary party are the sort of people who don’t really care if Britain is great, prosperous and all that.
And we’ve got Reform who might have a bit of infighting, but I broadly think are going to try and do what they say they will and have so much momentum it isn’t a wasted vote. 16 councillors defected from the Conservatives yesterday. Why would I even care about the Tories?
“Even supporters would be shocked to see people who have been legally residing for years in their neighbourhood or workplace – the corner-shop owner or GP nurse – dragged away by force.”
I’d certainly be shocked, in the real meaning of the term, to see that happen. But I’d nor be outraged or think wrong.
I’d presume “indefinite right to remain” is what it says on the tin. A right to remain that can be revoked at any time. It’s what I have here. I have residence but not citizenship. If I wanted to permanently live in Spain I would go through the process of obtaining citizenship. That I haven’t is entirely my choice. And there’s always the possibility the dagos might want want to boot me out. A risk I take. If they do so, I can hardly complain.
OK. Why haven’t I applied for citizenship? Because I don’t feel any particular affinity for Spain. It’s just somewhere I’m currently living. Pretty well by accident. I wanted somewhere warmer than northern France, which means south & this is where I ran out of European south. I could just as easily be living in Sicily or southern Greece. Currently I’m in the process of buying a house in Brasil.
I’d suggest those in the UK with “indefinite right to remain” are much like me. They can’t have much affinity for the UK or they’d have gained citizenship. It’s just a convenient place for them to work & live. Why the hell would you feel sympathy for them if they’re turfed out.? Their choice.
Yes but NB it’s called indefinite leave to remain . It’s not a right, even in its description
Thanks for the correction, Steve. Although the <strike>law</strike> “legal system” seems to have turned it into a “right”.
Friend of mine, a swarthy foreigner from Bharat, got British citizenship last year. It was a nice little ceremony. Previously was on indefinite leave to remain. Every single person on ILR knows they’re here at the sufferance of the British government.
I know TPTB think brown migration to white countries is a fundamental human right, but is not.
I know TPTB think brown migration to white countries is a fundamental human right…
Bargaining
For a pin-prick of light, meet Cody Butler, a possible signpost. A 20-year-old student, he has just formed the One Nation Conservative Network. Not one of those camp young fogeys with a kitsch obsession with the Iron Lady, he’s well versed in Tory history, seeking a return to Macmillanism, marking Thatcher as the point when it all went wrong. He’s the right age to help shape a credible revival a decade ahead. What would it take?
Sounds like a typical NWO/ WEF plant and no doubt was probably sired as a potential ‘young leader’ by those various organizations prioritising the needs of an international bureacracy over that of the people of the country. While Thatcher was not perfect by any means, had she not come to power the UK, which already in a number of ways has moved left of North Korea ,would be indistinguishable from it (other than being more heterogenous and seeing White people imprisoned on the basis of their Skin colour)
No point in a new leader without a turn to Heseltinian conservatism to fight off Farage, and Tommy Robinson thuggery. Oppositions do influence governments: no sooner had Starmer raised spirits with his moral indignation for “the battle for the country’s soul” than his home secretary clamped down on migrants with leave to remain in a Badenoch-lite style. A better brand of conservatism would do the country good; the alternative is terrifying. But it may be too late and the party too far gone, about to be eaten alive by Farage.
As the Great ‘Western bloke’ points out – and indeed Toynbee points out in her paragraph she has a visceral hatred of Conservatism. Therefore, why are they genuflecting to her and people like her. They need to be mercilessly harassed. Driven from their public sector sinecures with pensions curtailed. Possibly named and shamed for Hard Left beliefs. Vacant properties in their areas need to be purchased and the most vicious ISIS headhackers put into them and left to do as they please. These people chose treason and it has real world consequences. The Conservatives are chasing unicorns which may explain why they are absolutely f$%ed.
I don’t see why everyone is obsessed with being ‘grownup’ What does it mean? From context it appears that it means ‘approved by Davos’
Sunak and Hunt were supposedly grownups, but then TTK and Rachael From Complaints were even grownupper. Of course, the ultimate grownups were Sleepy Joe and the diversity hire. Hardly a ringing endorsement.
They did what a lot of grown ups do.
Sit on their arses and watch Strictly instead of doing something useful.
… one nation Tories are no longer the centre right. That’s the centre left these days.
That reminds me of this from the Blessed Elon: