But the true reach of fossil fuel tentacles is undoubtedly deeper as the lobbyists data
In a report about how fossil fuel companies send people to COPs etc.
“Tentacles” is just one of those words not to use, not unless you’re talking about how to cook Octopus.
If executed, these expansion projects will produce enough oil – 2.623m km² at 1cm thickness – to coat the entire landmass of seven European countries (France, Spain, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Finland and Norway) combined.
Nice to see the G staying on point although they neglect to tell us how long this amusing scenario reminiscent of Jeux sans Frontieres would take to achieve.
I guess they’d prefer to have the same landmass covered with solar panels (even in Scandinavia) and wind farms. Or even migrants.
Oh wait.
It might improve Germany
Or an Olympic swimming pool the size of Wales?
They need to tell us how many giraffes that oil weighs as much as.
Or enough synthetic fibres to take a Wales out of wool farming and take an African country out of charcoal. Calculation done in my garden shed on the back of a razzle.
What is that in cubic elephants?
Do we get to choose which ones?
Might one enquire which supervillain is proposing to cover France, Spain, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Finland and Norway in a thin coat of oil?
See my explanation!
If all lobbying was removed, we’d probably be more into fossil fuels.
The general public likes cars in the face of government endlessly telling them to ride a bike or use a train.
I notice that bikes and trains came before cars. This indicates that there’s a reason people moved on from them to cars, and why trying to enforce cycling is a retrograde step that is both impractical and strongly resisted.
Cars and coaches are cheaper, more reliable and more flexible. That’s not even about who runs them. That’s a fundamental thing, that is about decentrialisation, about how pneumatic tyres are more forgiving, and that for most journeys, the right size is less than 50 people.
You could improve cycling, but you have to do three things. Firstly, you have to treat crime like the Japanese do. You steal a bike 3 times, you go to jail. So people know they will have a bike to return to. Secondly, you need mothers to work less. The most common cyclists in the Netherlands are MILFs not MAMILs. Women will ride their children to school, and use a bike for things like going to the shops. If women are doing the work/childcare thing, they don’t have time to ride kids to school, then go to work, and they don’t want to be riding home from work in the dark. And thirdly, you need to ensure there are safe footpaths and cyclepaths for schools and shops. In many areas, the last thing exists, but because you don’t have stay at home mums, they don’t ride to school with their children when young.
The funny thing is that it’s the same people that want cycling and also don’t want theft punished, and want mothers to be in jobs.
Ah but “tentacles” is just a cunning little anti-semitic allusion, isn’t it? Implies that these fossil fuel companies are all in the control of the giant squid that is zee Chews.
Not necessarily, it could be the Japs
The Japs do be having a reputation to uphold in the tentacle department, yes… 😉
A restaurant called “The Fisherman’s Wife” opened in town a few years ago. I can’t help sniggering when going past it. 🙂
Smell feline, does it? Makes noises like Angela Rayner?
Man behind posh woman on escalator…
Man to woman: ‘Can I smell your cunt?’
Woman: ‘No, you cannot, you disgusting little man!’
Man: ‘Then it must be your feet…’
There used to be a Chinese in Ley Street, Ilford called “Kitty Feast”……..
it is just the normal leftist fallacy of intentions over outcomes.
People who think like them have good intentions and therefore cannot, by definition, “lobby”. They “promote” or “inform”.
People who don’t think like them have bad intentions and therefore lobby.
It’s the same with “investments” vs. “subsidies”
Again, they are using 1984 as an instruction manual. It was all foreseen by Orwell
Yes. The question when someone uses the word “investment” is “Where is the income stream?”
If they can’t answer that, or it’s not realistic, then the word was used improperly.
Oh, and I saw a repeat of QI the other night and it seems octopusses/pi don’t have tentacles, they have arms.
They can’t be tentacles ‘cos there’s only 8 of them.
Coat time.
When Tony Bliar says ‘What the UK does is irrelevant’ and Bill Gates says “This is a chance to refocus on the metric that should count even more than emissions and temperature change: improving lives”, you know the wheels have come off the man made global warming gravy train.
Also, “Gates said that past investments fighting climate change have been misplaced, and too much good money has been put into expensive and questionable efforts”.
So, he recognises billions of dollars / pounds / Euro have been wasted then, the same thing some of us have been saying for years.
It’s only a matter of time………
When climate change has fallen out of fashion will there still be gigantic boondoggle foreign trips requiring private jets and imported prostitutes? Do I even need to ask?
No you don’t!!!
If, as Ottmar Edenhofer, IPCC Co-Chair Working Group Ill 2008-2015
said on 14 November 2010: “One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth”, then yes. The process will simply be rebranded.
If we’re no longer going to try to mitigate the effects of climate change, but instead adapt to them, then an awful lot of poor, innocent darlings (who are nonetheless only alive today because of the discoveries, inventions and output of the Wicked West) are going to need lots of our money for that. Hence boondoggle continues.
And it’s ultimately what our host has been saying. Pigou taxes. Correct the price.
The biggest environmental successes in 20 years have been Amazon, sat navs and remote work. And in each case, being green isn’t the primary goal. Liftshare makes use of internet tech to use cars more efficiently and mostly pays for itself by employers getting a bit of PR supporting it.
Among the problems with Pigou taxes are:
1. Those who suffered the original externality don’t directly get compensated for it, because2. whatever compensation they may receive is vastly diluted by the fact that3. government takes that tax and pisses it away on something else. It’s just a revenue stream. So4. Those who suffered the original externality still suffer it and are no better off.
Pigou subsidy can work, but only if the demos agrees to it and it doesn’t get hijacked by grifters. The whole Net Zero scam is basically Pigou subsidy funded by Pigou taxation, but put to an entirely counterproductive end.
We’re not trying to compensate anyone. We’re just trying to get the costs of the action or good into the price of the action or good. That’s it. Only.It works if we just burn the money collected.
So it’s made more expensive but the externality is still there for others to suffer, uncompensated.
Something that’s more expensive happens less. Which is what we’re after. The “right” amount of that thing.
You burning coal in the grate is good for you – toasty living room. It’s bad for Flipper and that last ice floe – to which people attach a value. So, how much coal should you burn? If you don’t pay for the damage, too much. If you do, that amount which maximises human utility over time – your and the people who like Flipper.
Tim, see Normans’ reply to Rhoda above, specifically the quote from Edenhofer.
You aren’t being taxed to deal with the effects of climate change, you are being taxed because you’ve got more money than someone else and certain people (The Greens, Labour, UN, EU, Spud for instance) don’t like it.
“It’s bad for Flipper and that last ice floe”. Evidence please……….
“Arctic (sea ice) minimum this year was up 36% since 2012”
and
“Of the 12 regions of Antarctica analyzed for temperature trends from 2003-2021, 6 cooled and 6 warmed”.
Dolphin population decline = “due to unsustainable fishing”, not the oceans boiling.
Addolff, a better example for coal-burning might be the Great Smog of London in 1952, but that externality was fixed by a combination of legislation – the Clean Air Act 1956 – and better fuel technologies – anthracite, town gas, natural gas, electric heating – that people preferred anyway because they were cleaner and easier to deal with than coal.
“The whole Net Zero scam is basically Pigou subsidy funded by Pigou taxation”
No, it isn’t. The point of the Pigou thing is that the market decides the solutions and that is not what we do. The government pours money into railways, into building windmills. It also does bizarre taxation like trains pay lower tax on diesel than coaches or cars.
And this is all in the face of the fact that per passenger mile, coaches are greener than trains (according to department of transport numbers).
‘Tentacles’ is an antisemitic dog whistle.
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Chaps who agree with me are usually right!
Even if it’s aimed at (((les rosbifs)))?
These are Deutsche tentacles
Or Amerique
More than 5,000 fossil fuel lobbyists were given access to the UN climate summits over the past four years, a period marked by a rise in catastrophic extreme weather
No it isn’t.
allowed to participate in the annual climate negotiations where states are meant to come in good faith
Lol!
The findings have led to renewed calls for fossil fuel companies and other big polluters to be banned from the annual climate negotiations
Burn the heretics! The Science has spoken!
Not only are Indigenous peoples on the frontlines of their extractive sites suffering human rights violations
I don’t think they mean white (lower case W) people, Pippin.
We need to take down the ‘for sale’ sign on Mother Earth and bar entry to Cop for oil and gas lobbyists,” said Brenna Yellowthunder, lead coordinator for the Indigenous Environmental Network, a member of KBPO
Brenna “Two Chins” Yellowthunder is one of those professional indigenes they have in the colonies. After years of being expensively educated at college, her only apparent skills are being an Injun and complaining about the white man’s magic fire that charges your iPhone. What would she do if she won though? Probably cry in her teepee about no longer receiving insulin or Tiktok.
Why the Yanks, Cnucks, Aussies etc. ascribe magical, race-based wisdom to unimpressive people whose illiterate, stone age ancestors couldn’t quite figure out the wheel, or how to fight off a handful of Spaniards, is a story for another time. How does being the descendant of losers give you magic climate-fixing knowledge?
Apparently Brenna is from the Ho-Chunk tribe (because look at her), but her alma mater has a web page boasting about her educated uselessness:
Brenna (Two Bears) Yellowthunder ’17 made a lasting impact at Whitman College with a passion for art history and social justice. As the founder of the Indigenous Peoples Education and Culture Club (IPECC), Yellowthunder organized student events and activism and developed a commitment to community organizing. Today, Yellowthunder uplifts Native voices as Lead Coordinator for the Indigenous Environmental Network, providing logistical support to a grassroots network of Indigenous activists focused on environmental, energy, climate and economic justice issues.
This is someone who would die of starvation as soon as the white men who create the excess wealth she feeds on listen to her eco-demands and stop their polluting economic activities. These Soros type activists are like clouds of flies and COP is a taxpayer funded picnic. This all feels very fin de siecle though, the historical, economic and demographic forces that gave rise to a profitable niche of racially charged climate grifting, have shrugged. Their grift only works on a very specific type of white people, and they’re rapidly running out of such people.
Atlas, Fatigued.
Reading about this creature reminds me of the scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark in which, confronted by a sword-wielding dervish displaying his skills before using them, Harrison Ford simply sighs, pulls out a pistol and shoots the fucker.
We need rather more of this attitude.
The church of the poisoned mind.
“Why the Yanks, Cnucks, Aussies etc. ascribe magical, race-based wisdom to unimpressive people whose illiterate, stone age ancestors couldn’t quite figure out the wheel, or how to fight off a handful of Spaniards, is a story for another time. How does being the descendant of losers give you magic climate-fixing knowledge?”
The thing is a lot of them wouldn’t have been (at a personal level) losers. There would have been some hot babes and some smart guys and the wipipo wanted to smash gonads with them. And these people probably thought all the “tribe traditions” were a pile of old nonsense, and where the white women at. Roll forward 300 years, and their descendants have been banging white people, diluted into them, and are like 1/128th Sioux.
But this whole idea of fixed, historic tribes is so utterly ridiculous. And no, I’m not defending mass migration. But people have always boned across tribes. It’s why Cornwall is a lot less blonde than Northumbria (53% vs 17%). They weren’t shagging Vikings.
I consider myself English, but my grandfather was from Ulster. His ancestry is probably Irish and Scottish. I know the family spent a long time in Rutland, so probably heavy on the Saxon.
As Boganboy may attest, in 40,000 years the only thing the abbo’s invented was the stick.
Name one COP attendee who didn’t use fossil fuel to get there.
COP is absolutely, completely dependent on fossil fuel for attendees. Attendees are absolutely, completely dependent on fossil fuel for their food there.
Decadence writ large. They battle that which enables them to battle. Win, and they are stuck in Belem again.
Rode in on a Boeing,
I’ll be walkin’ out if I go
“Tentacles is just one of those words not to use”
And certainly not one to enter into a search engine!