Under the scheme, they will target families who are not signed up with a GP or who struggle with travel costs, childcare, language barriers or other issues stopping them seeing a doctor.
Children will be identified by the NHS using GP records, health visitor notes and local databases, sources said.
So we’re going to find the kiddies not on GP registers by looking at GP registers?
Yes, sounds like this government…..
The quote states they will also use health visitor notes (whatever they are) and local database. Sounds like they will cross reference the GP records against other database to see if they can find people who are not registered. Not that it will help in getting them appointments.
Presumably you can be registered with a GP but have children that aren’t?
Reading between the lines, it seems the issue is parents that are foreign, not parents keeping their children out of the clutches of Skynet.
I think if furriners have come here to get our free stuff but are too thick to sign up for it, it’s their problem.
Make that: foreign, without proper license for residence in the UK…
Funny how it’s “impossible” to find and deport them, but they *can* find their children…
It’s hard to hide children. They’re noisy, instantly play with other children, need frequent medical attention and need enrolling with schools to get their free education provided by the state.
Once all of that is running it becomes even more impossible to deport them so not surprisingly their parents become a lot easier to find.
Children also frequently have receding hairlines and beards but no passports.
Amazonian tribesmen with blow darts would probably be more effective.
Let’s start the year with a nice conspiracy theory.
This looks like they know which children aren’t attending and there’s some obfuscation on the reasons why they’re not attending to give them cover to go after anti vaxxers.
The clue is the picture which shows white people.
As long as it’s something bad, the picture always shows white people.
>Twelve pilot areas will launch in January across five regions of England – London, the Midlands, the north-east and Yorkshire, the north-west and the south-west
Places known for having large insular antivax communities who don’t engage with the host society unless they want something
I don’t suppose those GPs who are waiting for the unregistered folks to turn up could fit in the time to see their actual patients. Just for a minute or two.
All the GPs at my NHS surgery work part-time, mostly 4-day weeks but one works 3 days a week. The only person who works a five-day week is the junior nursing assistant. They do, however, have a big poster recording how many patients missed an appoitment so as to blame patients for the long delay in getting an appointment.
Do you ever turn up and there’s a doctor stood idle? No.
It’s like how aircraft sell 105% of their seats. They oversell because 5-10% of people don’t check-in. So you slightly overbook appointments based on an average of cancellations. Or at least, you should be doing that if you’re managing it effectively.
Don’t allow them in without the vaccines. YOU don’t have to chase them down.
‘At least’ is bullshit. It is the max needed for some diseases.
The crisis is for door-to-door jabbers. Don’t let kids in school without vaccine documentation, and the families will handle it – the way it’s done in much of the world. There is no need to chase them down. Bizarre to even suggest government do such.
I am rather surprised anyone is mandating* vaccines anymore, and you’d have thought every parent would be very cautious to allow the state to inject their children with chemicals.
G, you seem to support the WHO despite calling one of their major claims “bullshit”?
I see they are now offering a Chicken Pox jab on the NHS. Not on its’ own though, oh no, they are going to add it to the MMR jab.
I would love to know how many MP’s, health care providers, scientific experts have chosen for their children to have these vaccines singularly?
*If you want your kids to have it, go right ahead. Just don’t force others to do the same.
This is, quite simply, insane. Funny-farm-resident-sticks-a-bicome-on-his-head-and-announces-he-is-off-to-Austerlitz levels of insane.
Can’t afford transport costs? OK. So what are the transport costs of getting a nurse to the patient? Is that more, or less, than putting a child on a bus or taxi? What’s the value of a child’s time, compared to a nurse’s time wasted on travel? And note how we are told how the NHS is starved, STARVED of resources and we have to import people from across the globe because we don’t have enough nurses.
“Health visitors will be sent door-to-door to deliver vaccines to children in England amid alarm that one in five start primary school with no protection against deadly diseases, the Guardian can reveal.”
OK, so the kids can get to a primary school every day. We know which school they’re going to be going to, yes? We know they have no problem with transportation to that place. So, tell the parents there’s a clinic, on a Saturday at the school, a few months before school starts. Send a nurse out and jab all the kids that need it. Mass email, pennies per message. The nurse does one trip, does a load of kids. Job done. That will cover nearly everyone.
>what are the transport costs of getting a nurse to the patient? Is that more, or less, than putting a child on a bus or taxi?
Probably less if that nurse is doing the same thing all day. You can give him a car from
the motor pool instead of giving dozens of families taxi money.
>What’s the value of a child’s time, compared to a nurse’s time wasted on travel?
This is the thing though: you’re assuming the children are all going to arrive to wherever the stationary nurse at exactly the correct time to be serviced, but they almost certainly won’t, which kills your utilisation. Instead the children (whose time is valueless and who are already in a self-selected group of “bad planners”) just need to stay at home (where they already are) and waste their own time, while the healthcare worker goes door-to-door and never has to wait for a child to show up.
Compare the British and US models of getting children to school: Americans schools run their own buses instead of having the children make their own arrangements, yet it doesn’t seem to be outrageously inefficient. The reason it works is that the uplift points are all concentrated in roughly the same area, so the bus routes can be planned to be reasonably efficient and sensible.
So if we assume, for sake of argument, that the people whose idea it was are NOT complete idiots, then what does this tell us? It tells us that the unvaccinated children are all roughly in the same area, for example central Bradford or Tower Hamlets.
If your arguments make sense, why don’t we just have doctors visiting people instead of GP clinics?
“Compare the British and US models of getting children to school: Americans schools run their own buses instead of having the children make their own arrangements, yet it doesn’t seem to be outrageously inefficient. The reason it works is that the uplift points are all concentrated in roughly the same area, so the bus routes can be planned to be reasonably efficient and sensible.”
We don’t know if it’s more efficient or not. Lots of things are inefficient but remain because We’ve Always Done It This Way, or we have some romantic attachment to them. 75% of the trains that run lose money and have done for 40 years. Some are worse for the environment than cars.
Why do we drive kids to school, and Americans do it less, and yet, they are more car-centric than we are? I don’t know. Makes no sense to me.
“So if we assume, for sake of argument, that the people whose idea it was are NOT complete idiots, then what does this tell us?”
That’s a bold assumption when you consider forcing kids to stay in school to 18, throwing billions at worthless degrees, training half of doctors as women, HS2, funding rural buses and importing huge numbers of barely literate people from Shitholistan. These weren’t bad luck but clearly bad ideas even before we started.
The fact that they aren’t using school databases, which tells you who is going to school, tells you this is moronic. The Department of Health is simply using the data that it has to hand and never mind the quality of it. What’s Wes Streeting’s experience of operational management before July 2024? How good do you think he is going to be at making good decisions?
>why don’t we just have doctors visiting people instead of GP clinics?
– adults who need a GP tend to need a GP immediately, not at a time that’s convenient to the NHS; children who’ve already missed their scheduled vaccination can much more easily wait to all be seen on the same day
– Back in the day, GPs did actually do their job and visit people when it made sense to; they even made a daytime TV show based on that premise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors_(2000_TV_series)
Alternatively, just get pharmacists to do it. The NHS app has this for flu jabs. Pick a pharmacist near you, book a time, turn up. I do shit on the efficiency of the NHS, but this works.
Why not do that here? How far is anyone from a pharmacy in London?
When I was that age, we had vaccinations *AT* *SCHOOL* itself. I remember comparing whose six-pin booster thingy had come out in welts and whose hadn’t.
Ah yes. I had the BCG and I had the polio sugar cube.
I had the six-pointed needle thingy but mine didn’t react as expected so I had to have a chest x-ray. I didn’t have any other treatment though.
Incidentally, this is how you spot a Singaporean: they all have the same BCG scar on their left shoulder.
Mass e-mail? It’s fascinates how the curtain twitching classes think the world works. The people I know. They have e-mail addresses because one gets generated in the process of initiating a phone. How many of them use them? Virtually none. Most of them can’t remember the e-mail address they created or the password accesses it. It will be available on their phone via the G-mail app but they never check it. If they did it will be full of spam. Most people do not use e-mail. It’s not the way they communicate. They use Whatsapp etc. A lot of them don’t even know how to send an e-mail.
Maybe you know people with different lifestyles or Spain is different, but I have done government projects where an option of going email instead of post was available and the take up was huge. Roughly 80%. You still have to provide other means of communication as service users include infirm people or those who just don’t like email, apps etc.
Whatsapp isn’t a choice because you can’t do mass communication with it. These systems were sending out notifications to 50,000 people at a time, at which point, it’s worth paying a bloke to automate it.
How about targeting receptionists and practice managers who do their utmost to stop you seeing a doctor? And as for language barriers…. well that would be the doctor.
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The receptionist at my GP’s surgery is excellent – the group of people answering telephones are abysmal or understaffed (possibly both) – I have on occasions waited more than an hour for someone to answer the phone after my call has entered the system.
Obviously I walk round to the surgery and speak to the receptionist whenever that is an option, but sometimes it isn’t.
“Health visitors will be trained in how to spot boiler or heat pump, petrol or EV.”
The government can fuck off.
It’s up to the parents and individuals if they have a vaccine or not.
Nothing to do with the state.
Don’t need to bother with banning children from education facilities or anything.
If they end up getting ill, that’s their fault.
By the same token, the state shouldn’t stop the schools deciding on their own whether to ban your children or not?
“In the UK, vaccinations for children are not mandatory. Parents have the right to decide whether to vaccinate their children. Consequently, schools cannot legally require vaccination as a condition for attendance”.
Tell the state to fuck off.
The government views the people as a ‘herd.’
There’s a reason the drunk is looking for his car keys under the streetlight.
I doubt the legality of using GP notes for purposes such as this.