Donald Trump has already set the tone by saying the US will seize Greenland “one way or the other”, and no part of the triumvirate around him is trying to hide their imperial intentions any more. Not the nepotists and grifters amassing ever greater private fortunes. Not the white supremacist ideologues drawing inspiration from Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer! to post “One Homeland. One People. One Heritage”, via official US government social media accounts. Not the techno-nihilists salivating to mine every bit of Greenland’s mineral resources and rule their own neofeudal city states on its coast.
Oh, right. The solution then?
So what can Europe do, as this mad historic fantasy comes closer to reality? How do you maintain a space of democracy and the rule of law in a world that is rapidly reverting to imperialism, oligarchy and the rule of power alone? Only by building a protective moat of federalism around it.
Everybody in Europe gives up power to the technocrats in Brussels. Goodbye democracy and all that. Monet’s dream comes true. Adolf’s, Willie’s, in fact.
We had to destroy democracy in Europe in order to save democracy in Europe.
The complete removal of all U.S. tech and payment systems etc should be accompanied by a new calendar. Let next year become Year Zero.
Let Greenland be occupied by a UN peacekeeping force. That would do the trick.
Protective moat of federalism.
That’s a new one!
Why aren’t they considering a big wall?
Why aren’t they considering a big beautiful wall?
These EU-Fanatics are insane:
…the hand of history will be forced. Europe would need to both expand and restructure to become a defence and intelligence union that absorbs Nato’s non-EU members. Such a situation would demand the seizure of US military bases from Germany to Spain…
Comrades, there WILL be a pan-European Empire! You WILL join and if you refuse, then, with the greatest reluctance, force will be used.
And if the US doesn’t attack Denmark, Europe’s best chance of surviving as a free and open continent in an imperial world is still to force the rupture with the US, force the consequences, and force the federalism anyway.
Let’s split with our only ally and fuck the consequences!
…begin a concerted push to fund public media as a form of informational defence – and maybe even expand the Erasmus programme into a general purpose European civil service corps.
State funding for the Guardian, with X and the Daily Mail shut down! Only the official truth from now on Comrades! Students to seize power from so-called ‘elected’ officials across the Continent. Forward to a glorious future!
” Such a situation would demand the seizure of US military bases from Germany to Spain…”
ROFL!!! And how, exactly does he envision that happening?
Of course, our dear Graunadian would be the first to loudly applaud such affirmative action, firmly encouraging the Glorious Troops from the safety of the Graun HQ nuclear shelter complex…
Can’t have an Important and August Intellect like him take any risk. He’s needed for the Glorious New World after as Guiding Light and Chronicler!!
The utter delusion of it all……
Yes, and not only delusion but also hypocrisy! How does “seizing US bases” fit with “democracy and the rule of law”? And how does it differ from “imperialism, oligarchy and the rule of power alone?”
the seizure of US military bases
“The EU, how many divisions does it have in the field?”
I propose we hit it hard and we hit it fast with a major – and I do mean major – carbon tax
That’s just overturning the Rules Based Order; we must send a strongly worded letter first!
Let’s split with our only ally and fuck the consequences!
But what President Trump is revealing is that the EU isn’t an ally, it’s an undeclared enemy that poses, not very convincingly, as a friend.
There doesn’t seem to be a formal alliance (i.e. there is no alliance) between the USA and the EU. One is a country /state and the other isn’t.
There is a grand alliance between most European states and the USA. It’s called NATO. You have consistently called for the end of that alliance and in that you are as barking mad as this Grauniad twat.
Forced federalism is imperialism.
1. Europe isn’t capable of sustained military action at any but the smallest scales. They’re delusional if they think they could prevent a forced entry and survive past 30 days.
2. They are delusional – they think Europe is ‘free and open’.
Is there really that much difference between this level of delusion and the North Korean state news? At least the latter didn’t ever really make a show of being a US ally.
These people just don’t get Trump’s methods of operation. First, he winds them up with an extravagant but not implausible threat. Cue: hysteria. And then, softening only slightly, he offers discussions… with a view to cutting a deal eventually. One way or another, he’ll get Greenland…but conquest is undoubtedly his least favourite option.
He’s already halfway there…
Serious discussion about a NATO presence there as an alternative.
If he’d have shot for that one from the beginning, there’d have been a lot of Waffling and ReeEEEee!!!-ing, but ultimately “no”…
And that’s actually a practical solution…
And would force the “European Partners” to Put Up or Shut Up….
And fullfill that “security” thing…
And allows for the Greenies to be told to STFU..
Exactly!
TBH I think he’s just pissed off that, despite his asking repeatedly, Europe has done absolutely nothing to provide for its own defence. This is his way of forcing the issue.
Wot Theophrastus said. This goes back to Selena Zito’s article in The Atlantic just before the 2016 election, when she said that the press take Trump literally but not seriously, while his supporters take him seriously but not literally. His critics seize on an outsize claim which is designed to give them a fit of the vapours and then cry about him being a tyrant, a fascist, interested in only his own power and so on. When in fact the statement was only an opening salvo in the discussions to come.
Will the US send troops into Greenland to take control? Of course not. Will they come up with an agreement that brings the US and Greenland into a strong alliance? You betcha.
They’re already in a strong alliance – it’s called NATO.
NATO has not been a strong alliance since . . . well since the other nations cut their defense spending.
None of them actually will come to the defense of a other member should one be attacked – they expected the US to do that.
The population of Greenland is ~56,000. The total annual income of the population is ~ $3 billion. It’s a democracy so let them vote.
Were the US to offer everyone 5 years of income for them to democratically vote to cede from Denmark and become a US territory they would almost certain to get a majority even if the money had to be paid out over a few years to avoid disrupting the local economy.
The cost to the US would be about the same as one aircraft carrier.
So total of $15billion and no-one in Greenland has to work for 5 years and can go on holidays if they want. What kind of holidays would they take, presumably hot countries like Spain would suddenly decline their tourist visa.
But the amount is less than 1 day’s national income of these USA.
There was a referendum in the UK in 2016 which sort of swung on what we in the UK could do better with just 3 days of national income.
Imagine you were a Falkland Islander – what financial offer from Milei would swing a referendum for you?
I think 5 years income would be about right as you sort of suggest.
Milei doesn’t need to offer money, just claim some spurious ‘international law’ grounds and the cunt Starmer’ll give him the Falklands next day.
Surely Melei’d expect to be paid to take it. Just as Mauritius is being paid to take Chagos.
Were the US to offer everyone 5 years of income for them to democratically vote to cede from Denmark
That’s called “electoral bribery” and is a *very* severe election offense, and can see you imprisoned and an unlimited fine.
Or a manifesto.
There’s that pesky ‘international law’ getting on the way again.
The International Police will be on the case immediately!
Does this mean you are against it?
Gamecock should like to think that, once we have Greenland, we can go for Iceland and Svalbard.
He’s quite mental. It’s fortune nearly all far-lefties are noodly-armed batty boys, or they’d be real trouble:
As a graduate student, I read Derrida and Habermas
This is why the Freikorps used to string people like him up.
Are there no zoos?
I read Derrida and Habermas
I tried both once: they oscillate between vagueness and meaninglessness. Mere continental verbiage…
Ah, but they sound so clever… and by association, so are you if you read them.
‘Apes don’t read philosophy.’
‘Yes they do, Otto, they just don’t understand it!’
If we don’t fight Trump in Greenland, he’s going to come for French Guyana you guys…
The “technate” would run south from Greenland, through Canada, Mexico, Cuba and Venezuela, stretching all the way to French Guiana (a full French department standing in the way of the “Donroe doctrine”).
It’s a “full French department”
Excellent idea. Can’t wait, personally.
Imagine gaining all those lands but losing California (I assume they would want to secede). Would you take that trade.
Personally, I would have something more kinetic in mind for California
38 years later and we realize Lex Luthor (and Max Zorin) were actually the good guys!
Gamecock was feeling down over the passing of Scott Adams.
But this got him to laugh out loud:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2026/01/14/denmark-sends-military-reinforcements-to-greenland-ahead-of-white-house-talks/
The Human Shield Battalion.
BWTM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2026/01/macron-threatens-us-unprecedented-consequences-if-it-moves/
“Rise of the Impotent.”
Future history:
If US drops out of NATO, how far west can Putin get? To France? Will he go SW to the Adriatic, or west to Berlin?
Is Orange Hitler’s plan to split the world with Russia? EUROPE.IS.NOT.WORTH.SAVING.
The US isn’t going to drop out of NATO. The alliance is in America’s interest. Europe is pretty much where America wants it strategically; basically functional but a bit weak and very fractious; aligned with and reliant on America. A bit like Canada but less parasitic.
You’d be best avoiding foreign fantasies and start shitting yourself about the upcoming midterms. Lose those (likely) and Trumpy Trump might find himself occupying a smaller slice of cold – a prison cell.
‘without precedent’
Considering we’ve nuked people that’s pretty big.
Or does he mean without *French* precedent – so they won’t surrender immediately?
Neofuedal city-states? There are about enough people in Greenland for *one* citystate
The EU complaining about ‘nepotists and grifters’ is pretty rich…
The gift that keeps on giving:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2026/01/16/greenland-russia-accuses-nato-of-militarising-the-arctic/
Now that’s funny, I don’t care who you are.