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Then, the need for an urgent update to the Titles Deprivation Act of 1917 seems to be required.

And then Mandelson needs to be stripped of his title.

Yeah, well, it was all updated.

House of Lords (Expulsion and Suspension) Act 2015

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Bloke in South Dorse
Bloke in South Dorse
1 month ago

House of Lords (Expulsion and Suspension) Act 2015

That only removes (for life) his right to sit in the House of Lords; it doesn’t actually remove the title.

It’s a life peerage, so it was created under statute (the Life Peerages Act 1958), so it can only be removed by statute. And they didn’t put any provisions for removal in either the 1958 Act or any subsequent legislation, so it would need a personal Act of Parliament just to remove him, or a general one setting up a general process for removal.

Even for hereditary peerages, such as Andrew’s, which are granted under Royal Prerogative, the consensus amongst lawyers who study these things is that the monarch cannot remove it once granted (unlike knighthoods): “a peerage can only be removed by an act of parliament”*.

What HM actually did to Andrew was to remove him from the Roll of the Peerage, which means he shall not “be addressed or referred to by any title attaching to his Peerage in any … official document”**. However it did not extinguish the peerage itself, so presumably wouldn’t stop him using it in private life if he decided to be awkward. It also probably wouldn’t stop his oldest son from inheriting, but since he only has daughters (at least so far; he might want a young new wife…), that isn’t an issue.

*https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/peerages-can-they-be-removed/#heading-2
** https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10370/

dearieme
dearieme
1 month ago

 “it would need a personal Act of Parliament”

Such as der Sturmer got for his pension? Easy-peasy then.

jgh
jgh
1 month ago

Wot Bloke says. I was about to post exactly the same.

He can voluntarily abdicate under the 1963 “Get Tony Benn In The Commons” Act, but he can’t be stripped.

Edit: Ah, no. The 1963 Act only applies to persons who *succeed* to a peerage, not life peers. Cannot be stripped, cannot abdicate. Horrifyingly, Lord Spud is correct, the 1917 Act needs to be amended. Add Mandleson to the schdule of persons who have ‘adhered to His Majesty’s enemies’.

Last edited 1 month ago by jgh
Norman
Norman
1 month ago

According to the DT Mandelson could lose £31k-a-year EU pension over Epstein emails
Deep, deep schadenfreude. In a crowded field it couldn’t happen to a nicer manipulative, supercilious, sanctimonious, hypocritical, money-grubbing cunt, now could it?

Last edited 1 month ago by Norman
Steve
Steve
1 month ago
Reply to  Norman

The thing is, Mandy was good at his job, and his reported financial irregularities are small potatoes compared to the wealth Tony and Cherie have acquired.

Also it was his job to know and schmooze people like Jeffrey Epstein (that doesn’t explain his continued relationship with Mr Epstein post-conviction, Epstein must have been a very persuasive guy). Astonishing in retrospect how simple Epstein’s spycraft was, who knew people enjoy being given money?

Sounds like they’ve decided it’s not enough to cancel him, he must also be robbed and humiliated like poor Andrew was. I wonder why, what are they afraid might come out of this Epstein story next? Because “proximity to shagging” and “buying the friendship of society Brits” doesn’t sound shocking enough to give Andy and Mandy the Dreyfus treatment?

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Norman
Norman
1 month ago
Reply to  Steve

his reported financial irregularities are small potatoes compared to the wealth Tony and Cherie have acquired.

Exquisite, isn’t it?

I wonder why, what are they afraid might come out of this Epstein story next?

Really big stuff. It’s gone quiet about Gates. Interesting.

Steve
Steve
1 month ago

Oh, Mandy
Well, you came, and you gave without taking (more than the odd loan).
But they sent you away.
Oh, Mandy
When you kissed Reinaldo, he was shaken
And in need of ten thou

The Original Jim
The Original Jim
1 month ago

I hope they (all his former ‘friends’ and ‘colleagues’) really pile on Mandy, because I want him to get to the point where he’s got nothing to lose and starts naming names and detailing what they were up to.

There was an interesting little story on Guido about how the Blair govt was using pseudonym burner email addresses to get around FOI, and one of those burner addresses has turned up on an Epstein email. It would be very interesting if PM started telling everyone how that little scam worked, and who was involved.

John
John
1 month ago

After seeing the report, and before any action was taken, Lord Ahmed resigned from the House of Lords.[3] He continues to hold the title of a life peer.

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