It is a monumental shift that means transgender women and athletes with differences in sex development (DSD), who were reported as female at birth but have internal testes and have undergone male puberty, are now banned from the female category at all future Olympics.
Science intervenes!
Then there was the science. It is hardly news that males are stronger, faster and have better endurance than females. As the IOC policy document makes clear, that advantage is 10-12% in most running and swimming events, and greater than 100% in events that involve explosive power, including collision, lifting and punching sports.
Of course we still have morons among us:
“Mandatory genetic sex testing and rigid biological criteria as a condition for participation in the women’s category violates fundamental and universal human rights … including the right to equality, non-discrimination, dignity, privacy, and bodily autonomy,” said Professor Paula Gerber, an international human rights lawyer at Monash University.
If there is to be a women’s category then we require a definition of women who are elegible to be in that category. Using the actual definition of women – human female – seems a reasonable enough one to use.
“As several UN independent experts have noted, binary definitions of sex reinforce harmful stereotypes and erode progress toward substantive gender equality. Any testing of athletes needs to be individualised and evidence-based, not arbitrary or degrading.”
XX? You’re in. Not XX? You ain’t. Nowt arbitrary about that.
“The IOC’s move to mandate sex testing across the female category risks undermining both evidence-based policy and athlete wellbeing, while diverting attention from the real priorities in women’s sport,” said Dr Ada Cheung, a professor of endocrinology at the University of Melbourne.
Actual evidence is not evidence based policy?
Of the tens of thousands of athletes who have participated in Olympic events since 1999, just one has identified as a transgender woman – Laurel Hubbard of New Zealand. She did not place in her event.
Well, yeah, but Caster Semenya and that Moroccan boxer also need to be considered, no?
Then, one has to wonder why they were ever allowed to compete in that category in the first place. And when will the re-awarding of medals begin?
Rewarding medals has been taking places in some athletics events but its a bit more difficult in knockout events. How do you know the first person knocked out wouldn’t have gone on to win the event?
The only way to do it is rerun the event, but that’s a bit difficult for the Olympics or void the event, which is tough on those women he did win medals.
Ever read Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds?
The IOC has stated that no medals will be re-awarded and no results will be amended.
Defiant and inconsistent to the last.
https://www.businessupturn.com/sports/olympics/these-are-the-athletes-who-could-be-barred-from-the-olympics-by-the-new-ioc-transgender-and-dsd-ban/
The silver and bronze medalists behind Semenya in the 2016 Olympics should not be overlooked.
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That’s very unfair to Ronnie.
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Oh, I’m sooo nicking that!
Be my guest, Julia. ‘A picture can be worth a 1000 words…’
For some reason the claim made me think of the Labour Party. My latest theory is that there really are Martians and an old lady Martian had found a whole load of kits that she thought might have made the possibly mythical human beings but she couldn’t find the instructions. She built them up anyway, but none of her 8 eyes worked too well. In the end, she’d assembled 404 of them and she saw there was a black one that seemed to have a head missing, so she fashioned a round ball of weetteh dung and used that instead. she scattered them on the 3rd rock from the sun, safely far away from her planet but warm enough for them to survive. And tha’s how we got what is called “a government”…
You can solve the whole problem by abolishing women’s sports. Let everyone compete in the same events – remember Diversity Is Our Strength, especially coerced diversity.
Ditto loos, clubs, monasteries, … Oh, and properly mixed mosques and synagogues too. No exceptions.
Mixed Age Martial Arts
Include the terminally ill and you’ve got compulsive Saturday night viewing
I don’t understand what the Fems are complaining about. Only men will fail the test
I don’t know what Queers for Palestine are complaining about, either, but I’ve come to the belief that they are all some combination of easily-led, inattentive, bored, stupid, unimaginative, neurotic, mad, and attention-seeking.
This has to start at the top.
The IOC has to ban it, before lower order federations do.
The fact that so few elite athletes are Trans is just an indication that the rot has not spread far enough up the pyramid yet.
Lawn Bowls is tying itself up in knots over this. For a while Tranny men were allowed to play in the ladies tournaments ( and share dressing rooms ). They are being forced to reverse this by member revolt.
The dressing issue is the problem there.
Bowls should do what they do in Bridge, have Open and Women’s events.
Genetic testing for bridge tournaments?
How long before the Guardian, and others, say that not only did they always believe in protecting women and girls in sport but also that they never supported allowing trannies in either?
“… including the right to equality, non-discrimination, dignity, privacy, and bodily autonomy”
Now apply that to drug testing. The first two, sure, possibly. As for the rest of the ‘rights’ , please pee in this cup while we watch. Dignified it is not. How is genetic testing different?
How about applying those principles to taxation? Sorry, I can’t tell you what my income is, I have a right to privacy. Sorry, you can’t burst into my house and demand I answer questions, I have a right to privacy. Sorry, you can’t tax me more than my neighbour, that would be unequal.
Sounds good to me.
“While we Watch” is necessary on account of alleged manipulation of the sample process, never more so than in this infamous example – the Irishwoman who allegedly peed neat Scotch.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/four-year-ban-for-michelle/26176630.html
Of course it’s necessary John. Cue the obligatory joke, the good news is your sample came back clean, the bad news is your moose is pregnant.
New line to take just dropped:
1) It’s not happening.
2) If it were to happen it wouldn’t be a big deal.
3) OK maybe it is happening – but that’s a good thing.
4) Of course it’s happening, it’s a good thing, get over it haters.4) It never happened, you daft conspiracy theorist.
That reminds me of this…
Sinfest?!! Now there’s a comic I …avoid… to use for memes….
Remember I said that Algerian boxer tranny was a tranny and some people didn’t believe me:
.Was there one moment where the mood began to shift? For most sources it came amid the furore surrounding the Olympic women’s boxing tournament in Paris, and the questions over whether Khelif had a DSD, and thus an unfair advantage.
It should be stressed that many in the IOC had huge sympathy for the Algerian gold medallist who was raised as a girl. However, by late 2024, when the Guardian asked its executive director, Christophe Dubi, about the issues arising from the women’s boxing tournament, he admitted the situation “would be addressed”.
Atohdaso.
So let me get this straight. Is the Algerian a dickless bloke? And the absence of visible tackle (never mind what was actually there looked like) caused the “mis-assignment” at birth?
Unlike the potato-faced actress in the risible “The last of us” the multiple Gold medal winning lady runner from South Africa really is a dad.
Wiki rather coyly says that the first child was conceived via artificial insemination which begs the question of how No.2 came about.
The athlete is on record as referring to the first child as a miracle which, were she an actual woman, would indeed be the case.
Well, interestingly, Imame still claims to be a lady, apparently, and Google search straight up lies to you that there’s no doubt about the 5′ 10″ North African man’s true and honest womanhood.
But I submit for your judgement:
* “Boxer Imane Khelif admitted to having the SRY gene, located on the Y chromosome, which is found in biological males, and undergoing hormone treatments to lower testosterone levels ahead of the 2024 Olympics in an interview with the French sports publication L’Equipe. Khelif has denied being transgender”
* Hasn’t completed in boxing since they introduced mandatory sex tests at which Imame could get a female doctor to easily prove her ladyness.
* The evidence of your own lying eyes
The wut?
Gamecock remembers the good ol’ days, when the Soviets and East Germans would sneak males into women’s sport. Which led to chromosome testing.
Can we on the Right stop using their terminology? Female impersonators. Transgender is a phony word.
The wut?
It’s all word salad for which society is left holding the bag. It’s all fabricated bullshit, and should be called such whenever mentioned in public.
Ah, a “social construct”. Just like the legal system.
Many “social constructs” are not mere fabrications or fantasies…
Since she sees privacy as so important (so important that she demands female boxers be beaten up by someone with male body development), then we should invite her to join the campaign against Digital ID.
Can we just go back to the good old days when the Olympics was like Chariots of Fire?
No big hoo-ha about it. The athletes all smoke like chimneys, and drink proper cocktails*. No branding, little to nothing by way of livery. No bollocky cbeebies-type sports. No gladiatorial ra-ra. Bit of a knees-up at the end, perhaps. Every one shakes hands politely and then goes home to work in department stores or selling tyres.
Instead, I mean, of the 1936-derived-Francoist/Samaranch son et lumiere-The-World’s-Got Talent-Who-Wants-to-be-a-Millionaire Saturday Night extravaganza.
In short, have a bloody running race. Do your best, chum, and remember Kipling’s ‘If’.
But the lady ice-dancers can still wear tea-bag skirts if they really want to.
*i.e. nothing with fruit in it.
Actually, an Old-Fashioned has fruit in it.
Come to think of it, so can a martini.
Damn!
Which reminds me of the abominations that are “fruit beers”. Give me traditional English ale any day…
The first beer I learned to enjoy was Greene King IPA. Decades ago. And it had that thing that Nigel has talked about that, as with wine, you never knew until the first sip whether it would be a good or a bad glass.
Then in 2020 GK announced it was going to pay what it was pleased to call ‘slave reparations’, since which time I have not touched a drop of the muck.
Fuckers.
I’ve never been a fan of GK’s beers: Abbot is too malty and the IPA is thin. There are better Suffolk brewers – eg Adnams or Green Jack.
Interestingly, the slavery reparations lark emerged (in 2020) after GK became Chinese-owned (in 2019).
Thank you, I did not know that (about the Chicoms).
Fuckers. I did like that IPA.
(Adnams is ok. Don’t know Green Jack).
Another reason to hate commies. Fuckers.
Green Jack brewery is based in Lowestoft. Trawlerboys (which pops up in Spoons occasionally) and Big Dog are very good. https://www.green-jack.com/
I no longer boycott products of firms that have policies I disapprove of, because, if I like the product, it hurts me more than the firm, and such firms are legion.
You may be right, I do not know.
But it’s worked for Alinsky’s legions.
(btw, was there ever a more explicitly wicked book than Rules for Radicals? I have not yet Mein K, so maybe I’ve got some catching up to do).
The bit of Rules for Radicals that I’ve most often seen quoted is a pretty precise description of the tactics of Thomas Jefferson.
Can you expand on that ….?
Alinsky’s organised boycotts worked. Individual or virally fashionable boycotts (eg French wine after the sinking of that Greenpeace ship) generally don’t have much effect – though Tesla’s sales are down, possibly because of Musk’s pronouncements (or cheaper Chicom alternatives?), X has improved with the departure of many lefty loons.
I have never read Alinsky’s RforR; but some radical righties admire Alinsky’s disruptive talents while rejecting his social justice politics.
If the layman’s definition of “fruit” is things you’d be prepared to put into a fruit crumble then olives aren’t fruit. Neither are tomatoes.
Agreed, but lemon duzh I think meet the definition and shum martinis have lemon peel, unlesh I am very much mishtaken.
Hic!
I miss the days when it was all amateurs. International meetup of pros doesn’t do anything for me.
What pisses Gamecock off is “botanicals” in gin. London dry only.
And, no, juniper berries are NOT botanicals.
Botanicals are substances derived from plants—including herbs, roots, flowers, fruits, and bark. So juniper berries are botanicals…
Juniper berries are required content. Botanicals are additives. Usage, not origin.
Some botanical gins are disgusting, and we’ve tried a few! Others work quite well and it also depends on the tonic. Current one we like is a Japanese one – Roku Sakura Bloom.
All gins are “botanical gins” – by legal definition. Specifically, juniper berries (or cones) are the one mandatory botanical that every gin must include.
I thought junipers (the ones we grow in the Chilterns) had berries (only on the females), but it turns out they’re really cones! Thanks, Theo – every day’s a school day.
No. All gins, “by legal definition,” are neutral spirits and juniper berries. Calling the juniper berries “botanicals” is silly; they are required contents – regardless of origin. “Botanicals” are additions to gin, WHICH IS neutral spirits and juniper berries.
Big thumb up for Roku.
It’s current year, so the Olympics should include modern sports young people are interested in. Such as TikTok dances, and competitive fruity vaping.
Wot, not gooning?
“*i.e. nothing with fruit in it.”
Or umbrellas.
“XX? You’re in. Not XX? You ain’t. Nowt arbitrary about that.”
[Dr Frank N. Evil Mode]
Splices SRY gene from Y chromosome onto X chromosome, producing XX human with big balls.
“Mwahahahahaha! I shall name my creation ’46,XX ovotesticular DSD’! She shall conquer the world!”
[/Dr Frank N. Evil Mode]
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/immunology-and-microbiology/sry-gene
Just, why?
Because if you make the criteria for fame and fortune dependent solely on the posession of XX chromosomes, you will find people showing up with XX chromosomes who are definitely blokes but who are eligible for your women’s competition and they will break your system. You’ll get people getting organ transplants and bone marrow grafts and stuff to fool the genetic tests. (The obsessive and frequently dangerous lengths top athletes go to for advantages indicates they’re all nuts. Who cares who’s fastest?) The XX system doesn’t work. No such simple system as that works.
Also, there are lots of different genes that give advantages in sports. (Tall and short people, for example.) There are lots of different non-genetic circumstances in people’s lives that give some an advantage over others, too. Should we have a special Olympic category for fat old men over 50 who take no exercise? People who practice a lot have a natural advantage over the rest of us – which is cheating! How about smokers and non-smokers? Manual labourers and office workers? City and country? How about the world’s fastest marathon run while dressed as a toilet roll, with segregated races for quilted and non-quilted? We need to have separate categories, so we all have a chance of winning. Why do only women get their own special race?
The problem arises from the inconsistency between wanting to see who is best, and wanting everyone to have an equal chance of winning.
Having a third category of female impersonators would solve the problem once and for all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jmnspyj-eY
From 8.20…
Jennifer Eccles had terrible freckles
And the boys all call her names
But she changed with medinical compound
And now he joins in all their games
Can they not go in the para-olympics? They have many nuanced categories. Or how about no sex classes, only one open class and everyone else (not able bodied men) who want a special consideration go in the para-olympics?