Cooper scoffs at this. “The idea that Reform or the Conservatives would want to make decisions just based on what the US do or say – or what any other country does or says – doesn’t feel like sensible foreign policy. It’s not based on values. It’s based on dogma. Look, our partnerships are really important, our alliances, the global multilateral cooperation is really important. But also important, as part of that, is that we’re following the UK principles and interests.”
Whatever else, the US is the global hegemon. Thus our foreign policy doesn;thave to be the same as – obviously – but clearly it’s going to be based upon what the global hegemon does or says.
It’s crystal clear that the current labour party is making decisions based on what China wants. I suppose it makes a change from making decisions based on what the USSR wants.
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She has a point, in that all countries have separate priorities and interests.
I didn’t realise that she was pro-Brexit and just assumed she was pro-EU
She’s a perfect little apparatchick. Talks obvious shite and tries to make it sound like a philosophy and a policy. Ensuring protection of religious fanatics from any crticism is a UK principle in the interests of its own citizens? Yeah, right…
She doesn’t tell us how many murderous global terrorists have been killed.
She and Guardian support Iran. Normal People wonder how they could be for Iran. She tells us: ‘make decisions just based on what the US’ does. It’s TDS. She makes decisions based on what Trump does. Commies around the world take the opposite position of Trump, putting them on the wrong side of most everything.
“She and Guardian support Iran. Normal People wonder how they could be for Iran. She tells us: ‘make decisions just based on what the US’ does. It’s TDS. She makes decisions based on what Trump does. Commies around the world take the opposite position of Trump, putting them on the wrong side of most everything.”
Some of us just think that while Iran are a bunch of cunts, this is a foolish endeavour. Should we have followed Johnson into Vietnam? Was Blair following Bush into Iraq a good idea? And what did we get as a result of that, compared to all the countries in Europe that stayed out? Oh yeah, Obama telling us that we’d be at the back of the queue. Some special relationship.
We’re now in a situation where the Straits of Hormuz are blocked and the only ships getting through are going to be Chinese ones. Trump did his idiotic thing of saying the military has been destroyed and ships can go through, but also wants the rest of the world to escort them through because yeah, big rocket launchers have been destroyed but drones haven’t. Divers who can attach explosives to ships haven’t. You’re past the land war and into guerrilla warfare in the enemy’s territory, like Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. And they will fight dirtier than the NATO forces will. The people insuring shipping understand the risks better than the president of the United States.
The wars that work are the ones which are about getting the enemy out of foreign territory because the natives are friendly like WW2, the Falklands and the Gulf War.
You completely miss the point, WB.
Here’s a clue: the press didn’t cry about how many gooks were being killed in Vietnam. Cooper cries about the effect on the enemy. Giving aid and comfort to Iran.
I don’t like defending Yvette Cooper, who I view as not particularly competent, but where does she say that? She talks about our interests.
What do you think is going to happen in this war? There is a narrative that the Iranians hate the ayatollahs and are going to rise up and have them dangling from nooses and a grateful nation thanks Trump for his help with a planeload of Persian beauties.
Which would be nice, but I think it’s bollocks. If they hated them that much, they’d have risen up in huge numbers and dealt with them. What you’re going to have is lots of bits of Iran blown up, and after a fairly small number of dead American servicemen, the USA will decide this was a bad idea and quit. And then what?
I have little issue with blowing up a load of kids, if there’s a greater outcome of it, however awful it is. I’m sure we killed plenty in Dresden. But we were prepared to go all the way, sending millions of troops to liberate Europe and destroy the German high command. Is the USA up for fighting a country of 93 million people? If not, they’ll be left in place, and all the fathers of those kids will be more than willing to step up and commit acts of terror.
If you have a wasp nest, you either gas it or you leave it the fuck alone. You don’t go hitting it with a stick.
WB
Divers who can attach explosives to ships…
You what? Iran has trained divers to swim across the gulf to harbours in Arabia or attach limpet mines to ships under way?
I rather liked Trump’s suggestion that China should forcibly open the straits of Hormuz, on account of them getting lots of ol from the gulf and USA getting none. Top trolling!
The Straits of Hormuz are not shut. Iranian and Chinese shipping, and select other shipping involved with Iranian and Chinese trade, is passing fine. Rest of the world, not so much. Defeated Iran currently controls the Straits, not victorious America. The last thing needed for that to change is Chinese warships in Iranian waters protecting the regime it supports.
If ever there was a time for Trump to be the statesman in the room by shutting his stupid fucking mouth, now – dangerous and complicated war – would be it.
I don’t think Trump does much beyond getting an idea in his head and doing it. Like if you’re down the pub and say “you know what we should do about Iran” when half pissed. But most people think twice in the sober light of day.
One week he’s insulting Starmer and being all Billy Big Balls about winning, then he’s telling the press he expects us to send ships to help. It’s all clearly being winged, no strategy. And that’s a really bad idea when you’re on the offensive. Iran’s going to put up with a lot more than the American public.
No, I don’t think Trump is some dumb bloke living out his rants and making it up as he goes along. I think his mouthing off inappropriately makes him seem that way.
It really pissed me off when he wrote frivolously about bombing things for fun just a day after six young men and women under his command met a terrible death whilst carrying out their duties. That’s all.
But what does that tell you about the thought processes that someone does that? To me, it’s that he’s not taking it seriously. Like if you rant in the pub about something the night before, you don’t think about it the next day. That’s fine because it’s an action without consequences.
To be a statesman is to feel the weight of decisions. Not to be crushed by them, but the idea of bombing things for the fun of it should feel inappropriate to you. Even saying it should feel inappropriate to you.
“more than 1,800 people have been killed across the region, including 175 schoolgirls and staff in Minab, south Iran, which a New York Times investigation suggests was a US precision strike.”
175 “school girls” , yes… lodging at a Revolutionary Guard base building.
That wasn’t a school building, that was an indoctrination centre where the female children of Proper Guardianistas were “prepared” to breed the next generation of World Conquerors according to that particularly nasty flavour of religious intolerance.
With no doubt more….useful… facilities underneath.
It’s not as if Hamas came up with the Idea of using “Civilians” as a shield against retaliation…. the IRG taught them much, if not all, of what they used….
War is nasty business… and there *will* be unintended casualties…
The US *could* have chosen to do a B52 sweep with some old ordnance about to expire..
Y’know…. WWII/Vietnam style bomber sweeps.
Which would also have killed those “school girls”…. And their Minders…
What the hell do the Guardianistas think the girls got taught there…. Crochet? Feminist Theory? Social Acceptance according to the Rainbow Warriors?
Took some looking up, because Google, in all its Wisdom *definitely* doesn’t like Looking Into This, but…
This is what those “schoolgirls” were trained for….
Thank you, Grikath!!
Whose fault was it for building a military base right next to a school? Against the Geneva wossname that is.
Sounds a load of Balls to me.
*applause*
She has always scared me as she possesses a cold-hearted determination towards personal empowerment and utter disregard of the people and country she was elected to serve.
In other words a pound-shop Hilary Clinton and, like the Hildabeast, a far far worse person than her unfortunate buffoon of a husband.
Cooper scoffs at this.
Quite possibly but with cold humourless eyes.
I tend to think that sort of lefty is less dangerous than the ideological sort.
Cooper or Ed Miliband? Of course the answer is ‘neither, please’, but which is least bad?
I tend to agree, the wild-eyed lunatics can cause more damage. But the cold calculating ones are more likely to ascend to power.
And am I the only one who thought she looked quite cute 30 years ago, in an insane pixie sort of way?
Everyone over 50 looks quite cute 30 years ago. Just look at photos of yourself if you fall into that age group.
The frustration is that we never realise how good looking we are at the time.
I use to think that, but then realised its a bit of a fallacy argument. Yes of course we all looked better 30 years ago than we do today, because we’re 30 years older now. Its no good thinking ‘OMG 25 year old me looked really good, compared to all the 55 year old people I know now!’. What is really needed as a comparison is all the other 25 year olds of the time. If you looked good compared to them, then great. If not (and statistically thats pretty likely) then no, you weren’t great looking then either.
I find my contemporaries look like they are supposed to look like. At 76, I have an 85 YO GF. She looks like she is supposed to look like, and I find her beautiful. She excels in many ways. That she looks like an 85 YO doesn’t detract from that. I don’t look so hot anymore, either.
I’m not interested in what 25 year olds look like. That’s not where I am. I’m in the “quarter past old” group.
Ain’t that the truth. When I see photos of a younger me I think “quite fair of face”
Same here. Unfortunately nobody else did at the time.
She was always an evil pixie, in the way of Nurse Ratched.
Didn’t she work for Bill Clinton in the early ‘90s, when she was twentyish?
How special was that special relationship?
““The idea that Reform or the Conservatives would want to make decisions just based on what the US do or say – or what any other country does or says – doesn’t feel like sensible foreign policy.”
Right, right…. but OK if UK foreign policy is decided in Brussels if we are part of the – or in bed with – the Fourth Reich it would be “sensible”?