A cultural shift is also needed – one that can’t happen without young men first taking accountability for their attitudes towards women. They also need compassion – to be told that they do not need to wear the faulty armour of machismo; and that wealth does not define them. Above all, it is rising inequality that blocks their path to a good life – not women.
Except UK inequality is falling. So, erm….
Oh there’s a ‘cultural shift’ coming honey, one you definitely won’t appreciate…..
I’m sure she’d love to wear a paper bag over her head to show how much she appreciates being not quite a human being under the new regime favoured by the Labour Party and the Greens…
Not a word about the effect of the importation of millions of African and Asian men whose views on women and girls may not align with those of British men and boys.
Also not a word about the shift to the extreme left of girls and young women…who of course then vote to import ever increasing numbers of the very men who despise them.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2026/01/young-women-are-radicalising
Exactly this.
At which point you just know the “survey” is pure bovine excrement…
There’s always the “time and place” thing, but…..
This is “GenZ” , who are, at best, getting into their early 30’s, if that…
An actual male in that age category saying “no” to nookie initiated by the other half?
Pull the other one…. It’s got bells on….
Ah, but the Diversity can have rather different attitudes, considering a randy woman to be a slut.
The woman ( or 12 year old girl) doesn’t even have to be randy; just not be dressed as their own women and girls are.
No no no no no!
It’s all Andrew Tate’s fault and his Svengali-like powers to influence a generation of white working-class incels.
Surely you’ve watched “Adolescence”?
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/mar/13/adolescence-review-the-closest-thing-to-tv-perfection-in-decades
Which Diversity?
The one that’s Muslim and don’t do Surveys?
Or the one that does do Surveys, and …. welll… Rainbow…..
The quoted survey result is global so it isn’t just about migrant groups in western countries but also people back in their homeland. Similarly the stat that 31% of gen Z men believe “a woman should always obey her husband” and 33% that “women should let their husbands have the final word on important decisions” should be read in that light. I can’t be bothered to look up the country by country breakdowns in the original data but if you want to understand the stats then that’s where to go. Blaming attitudes in Pakistan or Brazil or Nigeria on manosphere influencers like Tate would be silly but obvs the grauniad editorial prefers that to tackling the thornier issue of “do different groups of people have fundamentally incompatible cultures”.
Oh, the global thing is also Bullcrap.
Because, y’know….. Anywhere outside of the Western Femisphere there *is* no such thing as “GenZ.”.
“nearly a third (31%) of gen Z men believe that a woman should always obey her husband, a fifth (21%) believe that she should never initiate sex, and 33% believe that women should let their husbands have the final word on important decisions.”
Who’d have thought that importing people of certain religions we would also get the values of those religions!?!?
Was this survey carried out in Burnley?
Worldwide, so the odds are against including anyone from Burnley (or Basingstoke or Biggleswade or …)
Hence the votes that equal rights have not gone far enough – in the UK Rights have been equal (except for a few instances where women have more rights) for decades.
Or London, Birmingham, Luton or Leicester?
No, it would have been more like 80% if it had.
Two of the greats ahead of me make the point that no doubt this author backs the Greens. She’ll need to ask AI to define the best known tune of ‘Bachman Turner Overdrive’ to get a preview of her future. I would guess Muslims made up a significant part of the respondents in the first part of the article but she fails to connect the dots, unsurprisingly.
Social media also plays a destructive role, offering the scapegoat of women’s rights rather than real solutions. The “manosphere” offers little beyond bigotry dressed up as self-respect and get-rich-quick fantasies that prey on male anxiety. You don’t have to look far to see the effect. When asked by Ipsos/King’s College, “When it comes to giving women equal rights with men, things have gone far enough in my country”, in the UK almost half of men agreed – just below the 29-country average. The poll also shows that Britain, along with other western countries, has seen the biggest rises since 2019 in support of the belief that on gender equality, things have “gone far enough”.
I wouldn’t actually mind Gender equality but what you want is called in the old days ‘having your cake and eating it’- you want ‘women only space’ and ‘special assistance’ and yet then spout off about gender equality. Radical feminism
Has been an unmitigated disaster on every level. It has literally murdered millions under the guise of ‘choice’ and has enabled the near complete takeover of the country by a religion whose attitude to
Women is medieval. Little wonder men are actively repelled by it. And government measures to try and tackle it are justifiably going to heap that contempt even higher.
The future isn’t looking good longer term for the Hard Left and Guardianistas in general. I can see the ropes being mounted on the cranes or the tall buildings being prepped for them to be pushed off. The tragedy is that’s the likely fate of us all, not just them.
Just learned yesterday from reading the Smith 250th anniversary of ‘An Inquiry’ tributes that in his day equality meant equality before the law, the right to make a contract, that sort of thing.
With the abolition of trial by jury, special laws for hate and blasphemy for protected groups, low skilled workers not gaining entry level jobs because the law sets a price floor, that kind of inequality is rising. Imv of course
Feminazis always want “cultural shifts”, because for them all male behaviour is a culturally conditioned social construct. The unspoken – and essentially Marxist – assumption is that human nature does not exist or is indefinitely plastic (which is the same thing). Feminism involves the incoherent denial of human nature and evolutionary biology. Yet if human nature is indefinitely plastic, there can be no oppression, because oppression can exist only where human beings are prevented from achieving the potential of human nature…
Theo….arguing logic with feminists is like trying to convince New-Earth Creationists that their “Theories” don’t stand up to Proof…
It’s a matter of Faith and Doctrine, not actual facts…
And arguing logically with Spud is also like trying to argue with New-Earth Creationists, but a lot of people on here do…
“to be told that they do not need to wear the faulty armour of machismo; and that wealth does not define them.”
Ah yes, how true. We all know mild mannered introverts who live with their Mums and own SFA are fighting off women with a stick, and aggressive men who have lots of money are destined to be incels. I mean have you ever seen a professional footballer with an attractive young thing on his arm? I don’t think so!
“Tell me, Peter Crouch, what would you have been if you hadn’t become a famous footballer?”
“A virgin.”
Magic. Just accept women are right and men are wrong. there could never be a Chesterton’s fence reason for masculine behaviour.
Meanwhile, more magic women, strong confident empowered women, need protecting from evil males, evil ideas and evil reality. Simultaneously.
Schrodinger’s Female Paradox. A woman is simultaneously a strong independent being capable of matching or indeed outperforming any man, and a victim of the Patriarchy in need of special treatment at the very same time. The paradox collapses to one state or the other at a point when it become apparent which one offers the most advantage to the woman at that time. When the paradox collapses it dissolves the alternate reality entirely, and any women claiming (say) victimhood cannot be shamed by it being pointed out that she claimed independence before. To her the reality where she is a strong independent woman has vanished, and never existed. She will swear blind never to have said anything to that effect. The paradox resets to its state of flux once the immediate advantage of one state or the other has passed. Very occasionally a woman will attempt to swap from one state to the other in an instant because the benefit analysis has changed rapidly. This is very dangerous for her (Don’t cross the streams!) as it runs the risk of the incongruity being pointed out without plausible deniability and she may be forced to admit the existence of The Paradox. This in turn may lead to the worst outcome of all for a woman – losing the argument. There is only one solution in such cases – she must immediately burst out crying. This ends all debate and makes the man forget that he won the argument, and also that the Paradox exists.
Yep. And I say this decadence is caused by men making women TOO comfortable.
Brilliant, OJ!!
“There’s a limit to how much can be drawn from a worldwide survey that draws averages from vastly different cultures and economies. But that’s not going to stop us at the Guardian from jumping in as if it is real. We paid good money for this ‘survey’ to support our beliefs, so we are going to use it.”
Animal shelters report cat rescues are at an all time high.
The explanation for her writing is simple.
If the revolution has won and equality is established, then no further movement is needed – and her writing is also unneeded.
Thank you for your service, don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.
So for her to continue writing (and get paid and/or grants for it), the revolution cannot yet have won.
nearly a third (31%) of gen Z men believe that a woman should always obey her husband
Wives should obey their husbands, because they promised God they would. What is the problem here?
The Opinion of the Wife.
Many hilarious shorts about that…. With the Wife actively participating….
Better humor than your average “comedian….
But I hear (from a family member who has a side gig in the wedding business) that about half of the vows these days mention only “love and honour”, the “obey” bit being absent.
I didn’t want Mrs Ltw to do the obey bit either. On the other hand, I haven’t had to operate the washing machine for ten years. So the spirit is working.
But yes, when the full bins need to go out…
This is true. And yet, when ‘Erindoors tells me to take the rubbish out, I take the rubbish out.
The “Obey” word is optional in the CoE marriage service – I told the Vicar I didn’t want it in mine because I don’t believe that I am infallible *and* I don’t like ordering people around.
A lot of second-class secular marriages don’t have the “obey” pledge.
So the problem here is that you are extrapolating from your own experience to cover billions of women who did not make that promise.
I don’t believe that I am infallible *and* I don’t like ordering people around.
Then you’re exactly the sort of person who should be in charge.
Nobody should be a tyrant at home. I think Mr Bennett had the right idea. On the other hand, even mild mannered and infinitely tolerant Mr Bennett had to be the paterfamilias. That’s why we don’t have two Prime Ministers, two King Charles, or The Popes. The reciprocal obligation to wifely obedience is for the husband to be worth obeying, to live up to his solemn responsibilities to the wife.
But ultimately, sometimes, SOMEBODY has to decide where we’re going for dinner.
We just need that signed by all three popes.
Oddly Sparta had two kings who co-ruled, one each from the two royal dynasties (the Agiads and the Eurypontids) with decisions made jointly and equally. Yet one could hardly accuse the Spartans of running an egalitarian society. The Roman consuls and Carthaginian judges (sufetes, like the Hebrew shofetim in the Book of Judges) were also a kind of diarchy. Nicaragua also instituted a diarchy in 2025 – male and female co-presidents, conveniently the leftie dictator and his wife. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-presidents_of_Nicaragua
“But ultimately, sometimes, SOMEBODY has to decide where we’re going for dinner.”
That made me laugh. The missus is usually good at picking where to go for our regular Saturday nights out, I’m not fussy so I usually agree, although I retain veto powers.
Booking, talking to the staff, getting drinks from the bar – my job. It’s not that she can’t do it, but she likes having someone to take care of it, and I’m happy to indulge her.
“The reciprocal obligation to wifely obedience is for the husband to be worth obeying, to live up to his solemn responsibilities to the wife.”
That. Well said.
Gen Z men are the first to learn early in life that women are just overpriced, finicky sex toys. To wit, all this feminazi chatter just means they will die alone.
Yes, its a little mentioned effect of the communication revolution – for the first time ever in the sphere of male/female interaction young men can now easily access the uncensored knowledge of their older peers. In the analogue days a teenager had to discover all the intricacies of the female psyche by learning them the hard way. Now he goes on the internet and someone who has been there done that tells him what to expect, what to look out for and what not to put up with. No wonder woman are p*ssed off. The code of omerta about their shortcomings as a gender has been completely destroyed.
“They also need compassion – to be told that they do not need to wear the faulty armour of machismo; and that wealth does not define them.”
Look at actors, footballers, movie stars and see what their pre-fame girlfriend and post-fame girlfriend looks like. There’s the occasional Wayne Rooney and Hugh Jackman, but most men upgrade.
Women complain, with justification, that they bear the lioness’s share of household work, including child-rearing.
We conclude that all those macho males became toxic as a result of the parenting they received from women.
“… and that wealth does not define them.”
And no woman considering a mate is at all interested in his wealth status.
The writer couldn’t pull a rich bloke
How the Sisterhood hates Melania.
Another reading of “equal rights have gone far enough” is “job done”.
When you’ve stepped through the Taylor Series and n(33)=1.61690982947 and n(34)=1.61690982948, have you gone far enough?