Remind me: when did the British people vote to allow the mass immigration of millions of low-skilled foreign nationals, many of whom don’t work and never will? Immigrants who will cost the British taxpayer hundreds of billions – a national bill that breaks down into £20,000 for every single UK household, and could bankrupt the country.
Yes, £20,000 a British household. That is the real cost of the “Boriswave”, the mass immigration made legal and encouraged by successive Conservative governments, as exposed in a report launched yesterday by Reform UK.
The calculation might well be right, but that bill is pretty high, no?
We’re back in St Milt’s world – you can have free movement or a welfare state but only one of the two.
“According to the Office for National Statistics, Muslims have the highest unemployment
rate of any religious group in England and Wales”.
“Findings show that more than half (51 per cent) of Muslim women surveyed live on an absolute low income – over three times the UK-wide rate for women – and only 28 per cent are in paid work compared to the national figure of 72 per cent”.
It’s easy to understand why the bill is so high, you only need to think a bit.
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But who to blame? the workshy scroungers Fat Blair blames for the ‘necessity’ of importing these people, or Fat Blair for caving into both them and the pensioner lobby?
‘Who to blame?’ is a less important question than ‘what to do (and when)?’
As Mark Steyn noted recently: “no bomb has yet been devised that could do the damage to what we used to call Christendom that the last three generations of the western political class have inflicted. We do not need to be nuked; as I wrote all those years ago in America Alone, we are our own suicide bomb.”
”… and could bankrupt the country.”
Not “could”, has. £2 9trillion debt = total economic output, 55% of new borrowing used to service the debt, within a decade 100% will service the debt, welfare cost now exceeds Income Tax revenue.
Couid?
There’s a lot of blame to go round, probably starting with the Quakers and other do-gooders in the 1800s, accelerated by Labour via its welfare state from when it was first introduced to the present day, and the Conservatives who have also added to the pile of debt and spending with enthusiasm.
Then the wars which killed a lot of our own young men, and the advancing technology which ‘liberated’ so many of the survivors from work, and the feminists who took it further by demanding many of the jobs be given to women.
I don’t really blame pensioners – at least, I don’t blame those who have paid in, naiive at they were and are.
It’s not irrecoverable: all we need to do is ditch the dole for any able-bodied or non-British people, deport a few million of the noncontributory migrants, build big jails for the inevitable tantrums, and root out and destroy the fifth column.
Not impossible, but increasingly a tall order.
‘There’s a lot of blame to go around…’
There is. That’s one reason why I am increasingly reclusive, and have retreated to the study in my cottage. I just think the majority of people, even if only through not giving a shit (in which case why do they have votes?), have been complicit and I do not want to speak to them.
Mass suffrage has banjaxed us.
I think you’re right.
‘No taxation without representation’ was exactly the wrong way round.
“The study in your cottage”. Try living in North London. That’s why I’ve retreated to my man-cave under our daughter’s bunk bed in what is now our study.
When I say ‘the study in my cottage’, what I mean is the aluminium-lined cavern beneath a Puy somewhere in central France from which I plot my course to world domination via the Maccy Ds in Perigord.
I’m surrounded by girls in silvery catsuits, the frisky pests.
But I do have a pipe, and a roaring fire, and a gigantic organ (not that type of organ, but yes, I also have one of those) in a loft in my shed at the bottom of the garden under the Puy. I play endlessly at Widor’s Toccata, whilst shrouded in a blood-red cape and cackling insanely, just to terrify the local villagers.
When I say ‘local villagers’, I mean Filippina Oompah-Loompahs hiding under the bed.
When I say ‘bed’, I am referring to the slate- and mahogany-built billiard table which I had relined with hairs plucked from Starmer’s rent boys.
When I say ‘Starmer’s rent boys’, I mean Starmer’s rent boys.
You are Walerian Borowczyk and I claim my £5.
Damn!
When I say ‘Starmer’s rent boys’, I mean Starmer’s rent boys.
Who fucks his fit wife? Or does she go in for licking and scissoring, like Hillary?
“Mass suffrage has banjaxed us.”
I am increasingly reclusive…I just think the majority of people, even if only through not giving a shit…have been complicit and I do not want to speak to them.
I disagree: we all need to speak to people about the problems such as immigration, economic mismanagement, defence, welfare dependence, Net Zero etc. Not so much in-depth conversations, but relevant casual remarks, banter, quips etc made in everyday interactions, attaching relevant memes to emails to friends and relatives, displaying posters, etc. Every little helps.
I like disruptive factoids. Stuff that goes against the common beliefs, and can be shown. Manufacturing output rose under Mrs Thatch. Coaches are greener than trains. Around 1/3rd of weather station data is from stations that are closed.
Not “climate change is bollocks” that makes people think WB is mad and to be ignored. Stuff that is undisputed but barely known that changes how you see things.
I don’t argue, I don’t want to “win”. I don’t even expect them to immediately get it. I’m planting seeds in their minds. A few other things, from other places and they might tip over.
A very tall order, as pointed out yesterday you’d have to navigate the thickets of laws drawn up by the long marchers, and cleanse the civile service of them to reverse anything.
It is. We need somehow to rid ourselves of interfering lawyers and teat-sucking bureaucrats without also causing vast carnage.
Not impossible task, as the Third Man’s Richie Benaud put it, but pretty fucking close to it.
This is why, if I’m honest, I am pretty pessimistic about our chances of getting out of this hole without the aforementioned carnage.
Why the ‘not causing cast Carnage’s though?
Being picky about the amount of carnage is what got you here.
The foreigners do not care how much carnage they cause to get their way – which is why they get their way.
As the days go on I have to wonder if Chancellor Sutter was the bad guy of the movie.
Carnage is never a good thing, not least because you can find yourself – individually, or collectively – on the wrong side of it. But it’s also unpleasant, and messy, and it creates second order problems and longstanding feuds etc. Better to do things without carnage if you possibly can.
But a simple majority in Parliament can pass or abolish any laws it likes.
Nonce judges, fake charities and treasonous civil servants are a bigger problem, but not an insurmountable one, since the government pays their wages.
But they will need to be tackled head on. New expectations of judges need to be issued, and those who continue to play fuck-fuck games from the bench need to be arrested and dragged out of their courtrooms by the scruff of the neck to await their own trials.
The only way out is through.
We won’t do it, though. The only way out is going to be through complete societal collapse.
“Where do you see yourself in 5 years time?”
Sadly yes, except the Terminator character will have a big religious beard and be wearing sandals.
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£3650 extra for every child now the two child cap has been lifted……… They want us gone don’t they.
Sure, if you’re depressed enough. But why expect the worst?
Experience.
Fuck experience. The future is not set.
Yes, the future is not set…
I know. But it won’t. Given that one of the laws it would need to pass is a significant reduction in the numbers, pay and perks of parliamentarians and the entire civil service, there’s no chance, politically – certainly not in the required timeframe ie ideally this week, at worst this decade.
Trust me, Steve, I am anything but a pessimist – I’ve done absurd things with high risk of failure, repeatedly, because I thought I could succeed, and I did succeed.
But it’s not about me or you. Most people in the country think everything’s ticketty boo.
See eg from yesterday’s Telegraph:
The Romans didn’t notice their empire had fallen until 400 years after the fact. At the time everybody thought everything was tickety boo, public officials were still being paid, taxes were still collected, leaders changed just like they always did, harvests were still being brought in. Doom-mongers had been predicting decline for centuries, so more doom-mongers were dismissed just the same.
Worrying, but unsurprising. You meet people who think we have all sorts of spare money kicking around for all sorts of stupid, wasteful shit.
They’ll say things like “we should be able to afford to”. That’s maybe, but we just don’t have the money. And it would be a worse use of money than just not taxing people.
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I’m really supportive of women that want to be the scientist, the executive, the novellist.
The problem is how many women want a bollocks job and handouts. “free childcare”. No, it isn’t free. Someone pays for it. And the incentive of someone else paying for it is bad. If it wasn’t there, you’d do the best economic thing which is probably raising your kids.
And you know what’s really mind-blowing? How much a lot of women get after the childcare, the expenses, the increase in takeaways. It’s the square root of fuck all per hour. Women don’t behave like men, who buy cheapo clothes and drive a banger to the office. Oh no. It’s bitchy girly salon behaviour, so they want a nice wardrobe, an iPhone and a shiny car to show off to all the other girls.
The conclusion I reached is that the value of going to work to most mothers is being in the salon with the girls. The net money is shit, they don’t care much about their jobs. But if they were home, there’s no one to talk to. It’s a network effect problem.
I think there should be free child care for children – from the grandparents.
I look forward to doing my share.
Nearly half of British voters think that we are as rich, or richer, than Switzerland.
Link doesn’t link to any actual data, but it doesn’t matter what opinion polls say about the relative wealth of nations. It matters how angry and poor British people are feeling.
Right now, they’re feeling very angry and very poor. Especially working people and pensioners, who are more likely to vote than, say, students who haven’t encountered their first tax bill yet.
There’s no actual need to cull MPs (other than via election I mean) to get a grip on immigration and spending. Civil service cuts are in the post regardless of which party wins the next election, because currently Britain is doing the Wily E Coyote dance in mid air, and gravity always wins.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/majority-britons-would-support-london-bid-host-olympic-and-paralympic-games-2040
A clear majority of Britons agree with positive statements regarding London hosting the Olympic and Paralympic Games in 2040. 69% believe it “would be good for London,” 68% think it “would give people in the UK something to celebrate,” and 67% feel it “would bring people together.” Only a quarter (26%) believe that it “would be a waste of money”.
We aren’t in enough pain yet. Not even close if people think we can spend the annual road budget on horse ballet.
And it won’t come from people looking at mountain of debt and wanting cuts. It will happen when shit gets real. When the government has pulled every trick, robbed peter to pay paul, and there is nowhere to go, and they’ll have to go begging to the IMF.
It’s a tragic cycle, that you only get people wanting Mrs Thatch when everything is utterly fucked. And once she cleans it up, they go right back to wanting government to do more stupid shit.
Brisbane is, alas, hosting the 2032 Olympics.
I’ve naturally always thought we couldn’t afford them. But of course I prefer to lounge in front of my computer screen anyway.
That’s universal suffrage for you.
A population which is angry and poor, yet believes the nation as a whole is as rich as Switzerland, will vote for anyone promising free stuff, paid for by “the rich”.
the Quakers and other do-gooders in the 1800s,
You need to go back a little bit further. It’s actually those C17th & 18th philosophers everyone’s so keen on & the rights of the individual. Why should an individual be able to claim rights? Who are they saddling with the obligations?
The Quakers arose in the 1640s – I think that’s far enough.
Other do-gooders appeared in the 1800s. (Doubtless there were some in the 1700s as well, but it wasn’t intended as an exhaustive list.)
Natural rights, as Bentham said, are “nonsense on stilts”. As are “human rights”, because rights do not exist outside of a legal system. Human rights are merely the expression of moral preferences and principles using a legal metaphor.
Well, we just print more money and tax it back from the working population. Can’t understand why you don’t see it.
The numbers suggest lifetime costs of £200-250k for each Boriswave immigrant. Sounds perfectly reasonable when you factor in welfare, the cost of public services and crime. Not to mention the land swallowed up to house them, the benefits paid to natives when workers are imported or the loss of smart, entrepreneurial natives who take themselves elsewhere..
“The numbers suggest lifetime costs of £200-250k for each Boriswave immigrant.”
Bearing in mind that for those not working, we’ll have to provide healthcare and every other service throughout their lives and in many cases pay them in benefits for the privilege of providing them services and that for someone aged 25, that could be 60 years worth – including the very expensive last few years. IIRC I saw an estimate of lifetime cost to the Treasury of c £800,000
Pendantry: I know you know this, but the cost is not to the Treasury.
It’s that invisible debt thing. All of these care workers that are plugging holes (sorting out the Servant Problem so women can do wanky pointless jobs) are going to get older, sicker, need pensions. At which point, the only solution is hiring more cheap care workers to look after them.
It’s a gigantic Ponzi type problem.
The answer is: stop talking to most birds about uni and careers, go to work, have sprogs and look after Grandad.
Go to work? My morning commute, once easy, is increasingly stressful because there’s the same number of Tubes every year, but more and more people fighting to get on them. Due to the huge amount of housebuilding going on further up the line from my station.
“The answer is: stop talking to most birds about uni and careers, go to work, have sprogs and look after Grandad.”
The better solution is close down all the universities (starting with Oxford and Cambridge, and sow the ground with salt when they used to stand) and then women will leave school, get random jobs, meet a bloke, get married and have kids. And look after Grandad eventually.
Wherever these people gather the environment increasingly resembles the world’s least prosperous places. I see no reason to believe that for some unaccountable reason they are actually so tacitly prosperous that their inhabitants, even simply in aggregate, are a net benefit to this country in any shape or form.
Compare and contrast with most other groups of immigrants.
Yebbut we tax the billionaires to pay for it.
I suppose it depends on the immigrants. I used to do occasional visits to a plastics factory where I had helped maintain their plant for years, I had switched from independent contracting to a full time job so I wasn’t really available anymore. But they had always been a good client so if they had a problem I would drop in after work for a bit of moonlighting. The workers were mostly Eastern European I think, or possibly Greek. I never asked.
The supervisor had reasonable English, his offsider wasn’t great but we could get by. The rest, I was reliant on those two as translators.
But damn, these guys worked hard. Night after night. And when I wandered in at 9pm (what security?), I always got a smile and a wave, from whoever was on.
Speaking personally (obviously), I have no problem with people like that being here. I do think they should generally be on work permits, and right to remain and citizenship should be massively harder to come by.
The left has long dreamt that the future will be a brown progressive paradise ruled by old white hippies. So long as there are any old white hippies around they are not giving up on the dream.
Which is insane – the old white hippies *are already being replaced* by the brown progressives.
They might have thought they were going to re-create the Raj at home.
St, fukin, Milt. What a diminutive wanker.
Good lunch, was it?
Hic!
From the ONS:
It’s interesting how this dissatisfaction with immigrant numbers is regarded as a fairly recent thing. It actually has a very long history. To at least the 50s Windrush days & certainly the 70s & the Kenyan Asians & Vietnamese boat people. You could argue it goes back to pre-war Irish immigrants & in London & a couple of other cities Jewish immigration. And it been a widespread dissatisfaction. Possibly wider than it is now. But it’s been a dissatisfaction amongst those who are the producers & service workers in the economy. Those who experience a direct connection with their personal productivity & their earnings. They’ve always been the people acquainted with the reality that nothing comes for nothing. And they’ve always been told to shut up by the people whose income comes at the end of the month whatever they’ve done. And it’s those people who’ve dominated the conversation for the past 70 years.
My general view is that unless people are quite clearly in the top 10% of earners, they can fuck off.
I have no issue with film director Alfonso Cuaron coming to live in London. Or a Michelin star chef from Mumbai or a Pakistani heart surgeon. These are exceptional people, high earners with rare skills that they can bring.
Under them are not exceptional people. Raymond Blanc’s team are locals, not Frenchmen. Sous-Chefs in Lyon and Oxfordshire are interchangeable. Anaesthetists are interchangeable. Script editors are interchangeable. And anyone who wants to claim they must have this exceptional talented script editor? Well, show us that you’re paying them an exceptional talented wage.
So set the salary at say, £100K. Now people will say “but what about nurses”. Well, we can train them. It’s a skill, but not some crazy rare one. British people are capable of being trained in it, so do that. Chef Patel can hire blokes in London to make his tandoori chicken.
Think about movie making. Those Indiana Jones films were made in London. You brought over the leads, but the rest of the supporting characters, they got locals. Pat Roach played 2 Germans and an Indian bloke. Same with Star Wars. Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher and all that, but Dave Prowse was in Darth Vader’s suit and Chewbacca was a hospital porter from Croydon.
You voted on it when you kept voting for the two parties that had unlimited immigration and welfare for these immigrants as core parts of their platforms.
You voted for it when those parties filled up with immigrants because you voted for the immigrants.
You voted for it when the rape gangs were discovered, the government covered it up, and you did nothing.
Now you are disarmed and passive – so no one has to care what you vote for anymore.
And the alternative was?
Of course their were alternatives. Question for the commentariat. Who amongst you knew or even bothered to find out what the policies of the National Front or the BNP were?
There is always the ‘American Option’.
There is always the ‘American Option’.
Watch your country get invaded by 50 million fast-breeding Third Worlders whilst fantasising that, one day, real soon, patriots will put all those guns to use in watering the tree of liberty?
Vroom! Vroom!
Finally elect a president who wants to do something about the invasion, and then sit on your hands whilst nonce judges rule that your president isn’t actually allowed to govern and GOP cucks in Congress point blank refuse to pass any legislation which might benefit Americans because they’d rather throw the mid-terms to the opposition?
I’m not sure any of that will help us.
Whataboutery is not a defense.
Neither is pointing out that you’re being a twat, but there you are.
There’s an old joke that in Britain a hundred miles is considered a great distance while in American a hundred years is considered a long time.
Looks like a hundred years is a long time in the UK nowadays too.
Fuck off with the victim-blaming.
you kept voting for the two parties that had unlimited immigration and welfare for these immigrants as core parts of their platforms.
The Conservatives were elected to government four general elections in a row promising to significantly reduce immigration.
Now you are disarmed and passive
Speak for yourself.
so no one has to care what you vote for anymore.
Of course they do, which is why the entire political establishment is pissing itself with fear of Reform.
Who kept re-electing them? They got the government THEY VOTED FOR!
No one is scared of Reform. Farage will do 80% of what is already being done. They’re scared of RESTORE.
Also, you are not victims. BRITS CHOSE THIS.
If you want to say you did not choose this, that it was forced upon you then, well, you don’t have a democracy, do you? And if you don’t have a democracy then why do you tolerate the continued existence of this government?
BRITS CHOSE THIS.
Repetition doesn’t make things true. They literally chose the opposite. There is not now, and never has been, a democratic mandate given by the British people to open our borders to mass immigration.
well, you don’t have a democracy, do you?
You should be a detective, Scotland Yard needs your skills. No, Virginia, we don’t have a democracy. There are no functioning democracies left in the Western world. Only dysfunctional ones with very high degrees of state capture by bad actors.
And if you don’t have a democracy then why do you tolerate the continued existence of this government?
“Tell me, Winston, why do you tolerate the existence of the Party?”
No one is scared of Reform. Farage will do 80% of what is already being done. They’re scared of RESTORE.
Are you American or something? Restore won’t win any seats. It’s a vanity project for Rupert Lowe which probably won’t exist in 12 months time.
Our political establishment isn’t desperately trying to stop Restore, they’d be delighted if patriotic, populist and conservative votes are harmlessly split three ways. Restore are so unthreatening to TPTB, the media doesn’t even bother monstering them.
I’m not saying this to slag off Restore, even though they’re a bit soft and moderate for my liking. But a party that can’t win elections isn’t much use to us. Best they can realistically do is hold Farage’s feet to the fire over immigration and the rape jihad (Lowe has done excellent work keeping the pressure on the government over that) in case he starts getting too comfortable. Our only electable options are Reform or Status Quo. If that changes, we’ll see.
Hope that helps x
I do think Agammamon has a very good point. Governments of both parties have been ignoring the wishes of the public on this issue for more than 40 years. But they’ve still been voted in. Apparently, it wasn’t important enough.
It’s why I mentioned those two parties in my comment above. They were both predicting this future. But few people listened. Maybe if they’d got more electoral support the public’s wishes wouldn’t have been ignored.
He doesn’t have a good point. He has a terrible, awful, no good, useless point that does nothing to put heart, courage and confidence in people. The counsel of despair is how you end up standing on the ledge of a bridge.
It’s not the fault of voters that every Western democracy has been captured by evil men working for strange and inhuman agendas, coordinated at Davos. Might as well blame children for the activities of the Child Snatcher.
It’s not the fault of voters that weirdos like Nick Griffin are unelectable.
It’s not your fault.
It’s not your fault.
It’s not your fault.
To be accurate, they were told by the Conservatives that they would fix it. And considering what the Conservatives were like in the 1980s and into the 1990s, that wasn’t a stupid thing to believe. They made mistakes, messed things up, but they weren’t utter liars.
The people voted for them to do it then watched over and over again, as they failed to deliver. And you can see the gradual rise of UKIP and Reform as more and more people realised it was bollocks.
It’s why the whole debate about Kemi is irrelevant. The brand is as trash as Rover cars.
Compared to Cameron, May, Sunak & Starmer you’re calling Griffin a weirdo?
It is absolutely the fault of the people. They let it happen. They can stop it.
Its just a matter of going.
You’re the one black-pilling everyone by telling them its not their fault and there’s nothing they can do about it.
A man lies to you once, sure. A man lies to you 4 times and you still choose to take his words at face value – that’s on you.
Please don’t – as a Yank, who sat by and did absolutely fuck all about Biden allowing in twenty million entirely unvetted foreign men, about Biden enriching himself and his family via huge fraud, about hundreds of billions of other fraud being committed by various denizens of the third world, about lawfare, about peaceful J6 protestors being jailed for nothing, about the burning of cities under BLM, about the trans and DEI bollocks which emanated in the US and swept its schools and universities – lecture us about our inaction.
I mean, you’re all tough hombres with guns and everything, and you did, and do, nothing about the huge problems in the US, so it doesn’t sound like it’s because we are ‘disarmed and passive’.
Trump is excellent in many ways, but let’s see what happens after he goes. I expect gulag for you.
Whataboutery is not a defense.
Neither is pointing out that you’re being a twat, but there you are.
Again.
We voted for Trump mate. We’re voting for people across the country who are working to change these things. We’re literally working to change things right now.
And sure, after it might be gulag for me. It was *definitely* going to be gulag for me if we did nothing.
You are subjects, not citizens.
Helpful.
OTOH, we can cross the street anywhere we like.
Oh fuck off you silly old cunt.
a lifetime of state education, healtchare, and pension is about £500k
non working adds another £500k+ in benefits
So the total lifetime cost of a parasite is around a million quid.
Divide that by the ones actually paying for it, the non state funded workers. No wonder we are skint.