The analysis also found that during this period where stroke incidents were on the rise, people from black African and Caribbean backgrounds were more than twice as likely to experience a stroke compared with their white counterparts.
More specifically, stroke incidence was 131% higher in black African and 100% higher in black Caribbean populations in comparison with their white counterparts.
People from black backgrounds are up to 47% more likely to have high blood pressure, and are also up to twice as likely to have diabetes than their white counterparts, even after adjusting for other risk factors including socioeconomic background.
Onviously, we could just cheiek “Waaacism”. And no doubt some will be doing so. It’s even possible that the lesser treatment mentionde could be due to that. But actual incidence of these diseases could also be read as something genetic. You know, that terrible, evil, idea that different groups of humans could, in fact, be different and therefore have different outcomes.
Which opens a whole can of worms, doesn’t it?
William Briggs has a story about noticing differences and where equality collides with reality: https://www.wmbriggs.com/post/60619/
Great piece, that.
I’m not sure that I agree (and he hints at this, anyway) that blacks are on average inherently more aggressive than whites – we can be extremely aggressive when it suits us.
I think it’s obvious that black British and American people are on average less likely or able to follow western societal rules (not just laws) and to rub along with the generality of society without flaring up at the slightest perceived disrespect.
If this is true it may be inherent, or it may be because (as he does say) they are pandered to in the developed world in ways which allow them to behave in that way, or it may be a mixture of both (and maybe there actually is an historical component, too).
It’s unclear to me; we used to kill each other in duels over disrespect, and you don’t have to venture far into a lilywhite British council estate pub to get yourself punched in the face for spilling a pint or looking at someone’s bird.
What I can say is that if you go to eg Eritrea you will find a country where people broadly follow the rules, but it’s because they have a highly authoritarian government which enforces those rules in an occasionally brutal manner.
(They still have a murder rate of about 7/100,000, vs the highest in Europe, Latvia, at around 4.5/100,000.)
Of course, Eritreans are different from Nigerians are different from Zulus and so on.
But they are not much different to Somalis, and Somalia is far more dangerous.
From this I extrapolate that I definitely don’t agree that there is nothing that can be done to curb any inherent tendencies: jail at the first sign of violence, for a very long time, would minimise the transmission of whatever genes might exist for violence to the next generation.
But then we’re back to the problem of white wankers.
“we can be extremely aggressive when it suits us”
But how often does it suit you?
Me personally? Rarely these days. But it has been known.
Why do you ask?
When someone threatens my wife or children – that’s not often if I’m around (for avoidance of doubt that’s not because I resemble Tyson Fury – far from it – but because the little shits who pick on women and children don’t want to see *any* man)
I’m not sure that I agree (and he hints at this, anyway) that blacks are on average inherently more aggressive than whites – we can be extremely aggressive when it suits us.
Blacks are certainly more tribal. You won’t be fighting just one.
As an Ulster Scot in southern US, I can say we are clearly more aggressive than Yankees.
More tribal as well?
I seem to recall the term “clannish” used to describe insular behavior, generally of white people. Clan, tribe, it seems all of a piece.
I may have my history wrong, but weren’t the various clans always warring/at each other’s throats, until the Romans came in and civilized/colonized the joint?
You’ve got your history wrong – the Romans built the Antonine Wall between the Clyde and the Forth, but a century or so later retreated to Hadrian’s Wall from Carlisle to Newcastle. So the Romans had zilch impact on the clans in the Highlands.
Perhaps. But certainly less tribal than blacks, hence the perception of not being tribal.
Mellowing with age, I see male Yankees as being okay. The big problem today is Californians and other west coasters with a fascist mindset, i.e., unlimited government power.
“Conservatives” leaving California because of things the government has done still believe government should have unlimited power. It is a toxic mindset. Not welcome here.
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Everyone needs to recognise that humanity consists of several sub-species of homo sapiens – with differences. We are all human, and we can inter-breed; but the differences are significant. And, generally, multiracial societies don’t work…
They can work if they share one overarching common culture. The most successful overarching common culture is white bourgeois, therefore to be successful, non-whites must become coconuts, or bananas. The apartment block in which I live, and indeed my larger social circle, is testament to this. All are middle-class professional.
Up to point, Lord Copper…
According to diabetesUK, suffering from diabetes significantly increases the risk of having a stroke. The Grauniad admits the black population are “up to rwice as likely to have diabetes” so any *honest* statistician would state that and try to show what the effect of diabetes, being overweight but not being (or not yet being diagnosed as) diabetic, and other observable confounding factors before jumping to a conclusion that it is due to racial discrimination.
Diabetes is racist.
I saw an advert for ‘The Diabetes Lottery’ this morning. Not sure they’ll get many people wanting to buy tickets to win Type 1 or Type 2 though………….
Yes, no mention of adjusting for prevalence of obesity, in a study of strokes and diabetes, sounds like someone is deliberately trying to ignore the actual cause.
Is there any data that might indicate a correlation between body weight and the incidence of strokes?
No, I didn’t think there would be. Not published anyway.
There is enough data on the correlation between being *overweight* and heart attacks for the NHS to campaign for people with a high BMI to go on a diet. [Of course this includes rugby forwards without an ounce of surplus fat because BMI is dimensionally unsound, but the motive is understandable].
Does this mean the next time I’m unfortunate enough to grace the inside of a NHS hospital I will see a dramatic reduction in the number of obese staff members?
No, only the proles have to obey.
If one were a racist, one would note that common antihypertensive drugs effective on Caucasians, do not work on subSaharan African origin people with high blood pressure for whom a defferent pharmacological route is appropriate.
But why is that? Are the drugs themselves racist? Or are there physiological differences causing the disparity?
There was a kerfuffle a while back when it was found that the blood oxygen sensors you stick on the end of your finger misread for black people because their increased melanin interferes with the light beam. Therefore blood oxygen sensors are racist. That these simple, cheap, effective sensors merely require an offset table when used with the dusky to compensate for this effect was, of course, entirely ignored.
I winder how well these things read through acrylic fingernails? Or are they both racist and sexist? Can you even get them on, given the length of some of these things? And I note that long, ugly, false fingernails correlate well with huge arses.
They need the extra long nails to reach those big butts when they get itchy.
Of course there are physiological differences. That is how scientists define race: physiological differences. The Basques have have almost no B or AB in the O, A, B, AB blood categories, (this statistician would accept that the small minority may be due to inter-marriage with other races). East Asians have a different eye shape from western Europeans….
And, as famously noted by American sailors in Japan post-war, Japanese pussies go sideways.
I’m going to have to stop being ironic, John.
But actual incidence of these diseases could also be read as something genetic.
Also, it could be cultural. Diet, perceived attractive body shape, attitude toward seeking medical care – all can be determined, or at least influenced, by one’s cultural ideas.
Anyone who accuses the NHS of racism hasn’t used it in the last 30 years. The chances of meeting a white doctor, nurse, cleaner or porter is remote to non existent…
So it turns out to be unhealthy for a dark-skinned person to live at English latitudes.
I wonder what the reason might possibly be?
Various, but one is vitamin D deficiency as sunlight helps with production of vitamin D – dark skins absorb less sunlight.
Sending them back would be a kindness then.
South Indians, IIRC, have the highest incidence of diabetes. How are they on strokes?
Gavaskar was very good with his strokes to cover.
They don’t make them like him any more that’s for sure!!
Isn’t it also the case that these statistics skew the overall reported numbers?
For instance, after having her “annual check up” my wife was told by the nurse that, according to her age, weight, BP etc, she was likely to have a greater chance of stroke “in the next five years”. This vague statement can only be based on computer generated algorithms, which presumably have included those black statistics and therefore distort the reality.
I’d really like to see what the outcome would be if her whiteness was included in the reckoning, or if only white people were taken into account in the workings out…
Sort of – but look up Framingham Risk Tables. Here in NZ advice is to check people with Maori ancestry from age 35 rather than 45, due to higher risk and (again) disparities in health outcomes.
I think you’ll find that the clotting agents within blood are racist.
Well, I dare say blacks don’t get Tay-Sachs disease much. Somefink otta be dun abaht it.
Or indeed cystic fibrosis:
While CF can affect people of all races and ethnicities, its incidence varies widely:
Tim = off topic is there an Issue with the Murphy post – looking to fisk it and it seems to have gone awry – no title??
Higher rates of hypertension caused by obesity has entered the chat.
Why the diff between Black African and Black Caribbean. Lots of generalisation and putting different people into categories (west and east africans together, hmm ok), but surely that 31% difference is statistically significant, which means . . . it’s not diet, or culture or genes, it’s really sneaky racism.
Maybe Black Caribbean aligns with their West African stock far more than with East Africans. More research needed.
Carribeans descendants of those liberated from slave traders and given land, decent soil, modern agriculture, and British citizenship, rather than those still living in West African shitholes with bad soil and crap agriculture.
Caribbes listen to rap music.
They have a proportion of white blood in them. Not necessarily received voluntarily , I’ll grant, but received none the less.
Gamecock has latent Type 2 diabetes. I say “latent” because I haven’t had a symptom in 20 years. My older brother’s isn’t latent at all. He takes medication. He pricks his finger daily to test.
I keep my weight under control, I exercise a lot, I eat only low glycemic index carbohydrates.
From my perspective, T2 diabetes is controllable. While a very limited sample, it aligns with The Science. That is, I do what they say you should do, and it works.
I said all that to say this: Type 2 diabetes is generally self-inflicted, from failure to watch what you eat and get off you arse and go for a walk. Genetics is irrelevant, because it is ubiquitous. While I have no doubt that I have it because my father had it, my brother and I have completely different outcomes, because of personally controlled factors.
Therefore, I see the higher incidence in blacks as being behavioral, not genetic. Add to that a bit of psychology. Commie Democrats have been breeding personality disorder in blacks for generations. Blacks are convinced that all their problems are caused by wipepo. To where they believe they are powerless to affect their outcomes.
I have a ex-pat friend in Spain who cured – or suppressed? – his Type 2 by losing a massive amount of weight and changing his diet.
Yes, suppressed is a better word. I have no doubt I could get the symptoms back in two weeks if I stopped exercising and went back to consuming sugar and processed carbs.
In fact, that’s how I found out. I broke my leg in a motorcycle accident. Within a week, the extreme thirst and frequent, urgent urination started. It was six plus weeks before exercise resumed, but I changed my diet immediately. When things got back to normal, ~10 weeks, I kept the low glycemic index diet. It’s really not a burden at all.
All this gets me to hypothesize that most EVERYBODY has Type 2 diabetes, they just don’t know it, because their diet/exercise regimen is good enough to keep it from expressing. I had it, didn’t know it. Had I not broken my leg, I may have never known.
“Less timely follow-up leaves patients at elevated risk for longer and may be influenced by mistrust in healthcare services linked to historical and ongoing experiences of discrimination,” Pantoja-Ruiz added.
It could be “ray-cism”. Or it could be low IQ and a lifelong love of KFC and other dumb health choices innit.
Either way, I don’t care.
Maeva May, the director of policy at the Stroke Association, said: “These findings reveal that stroke is rising again and that black African and black Caribbean communities are bearing a disproportionate burden.
“This rise is shaped by higher rates of undetected and under-treated risk factors for stroke, including high blood pressure – which is the cause of around half of all strokes – and diabetes. This is further exacerbated by the broader social and economic circumstances, such as poor housing, which shape health long before a stroke occurs.
I’m sure their housing and economic circumstances back in Africa are fine.
Or it could be low IQ and a lifelong love of KFC and other dumb health choices innit.
Col Harland Sanders was quite white. Even wore white suits.
and that black African and black Caribbean communities are bearing a disproportionate burden
Commie bitch. It’s ‘communities’ that suffer, not people. That is to say she couldn’t care less about black individuals. Her commie job is to organize communities.
Col Harland Sanders was quite white. Even wore white suits.
Probably sang “Zip-ah-dee-dooh-dah” on his porch.
Her commie job is to organize communities.
No, it’s more money for them lanyards. What else is a “director of policy” for the “Stroke Association” going to do with her time? “Strokes are bad” probably got agreed within the first quarter.
No, it’s more money for them lanyards.
The only bad housing that could cause diabetes is the one in Hansel and Gretel.