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Policing could be driven back to the 1960s by false claims officers are biased against white people, the leader of Britain’s black officers has said.

Ch Insp Andy George, president of the National Black Police Association,

The non-existence of the National White Police Association rather makes the point for us, no?

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Ottokring
Ottokring
11 days ago

How far back could policing be driven back by real claims ?

Last edited 11 days ago by Ottokring
Martin Near The M25
Martin Near The M25
11 days ago

Does that mean we can have the Sweeney back?

Henry Crun
Henry Crun
11 days ago

The Sweeney was 1970s. We’ll be stuck with Z-Cars and Softly, Softly.

Ottokring
Ottokring
11 days ago
Reply to  Henry Crun

Fancy Smith

Mr Womby
Mr Womby
11 days ago
Reply to  Ottokring

Fancy Smith was, of course, played by Brian Blessed who also portrayed the chief villain in the very first episode of The Sweeney. (Regan’s alive?!)

Last edited 11 days ago by Mr Womby
JuliaM
11 days ago

Hysteria – wait to see what people DO, not what they SAY…

Deveril
Deveril
11 days ago

False claims?

Fucking liar.

Agammamon
Agammamon
11 days ago

Are the claims false though?

Jonathan
Jonathan
11 days ago

Sir Andy Cooke, who stood down in April as chief inspector of constabulary, told the Guardian he found no evidence of anti-white bias during his time scrutinising all forces in England and Wales.

I’m sure the police, local councils and national governments ignoring the Muslim rape gangs for decades is simply due them being busy doing something else. Nothing to see here!

Jimmers
Jimmers
11 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

‘Mazin what you don’t find when you don’t look for it.

Swannypol
Swannypol
11 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

He must go to the saame opticians as wee Nicola.
Positively Nelsonian “I see no ships” type stuff.

grist
grist
11 days ago

The racism against white, indigenous folk has been hammered into our society since the vile Blair, so making us a normal society is going to take a long time and it will be tough with all the race grifters hard at work to keep their exalted positions. Who admitted to being taken in by Buy Larger Mansions and expressed their regret at being gullible a-holes?

Addolff
Addolff
11 days ago

They obviously are biased against white people, as was demonstrated in the instructions to officers to treat races differently to ensure equality of outcomes, and in the evidence of a plod from 1970 who said they regularly let black kids off because they knew the grief they could get if they took them in.
Two tier policing is nothing new, it’s just more blatant than before.

Imagine the reaction of our ‘leaders’ (and the scale of rioting that would ensue) if the races in the Henry Nowak murder had been reversed.

Last edited 11 days ago by Addolff
Jonathan
Jonathan
11 days ago
Reply to  Addolff

Pols and the meeja would be queueing round the block to grovel to the rioters and looters…

Grikath
Grikath
11 days ago

And why, pray tell, would there even *be* a “Black Police Association”?

Theophrastus
Theophrastus
11 days ago
Reply to  Grikath

Indeed. Or even a Civil Service Islamic Society (patron: Gus O’Donnell)…

Deveril
Deveril
11 days ago
Reply to  Theophrastus

Surprised it’s not King Tampon.

Swannypol
Swannypol
11 days ago

We know the policy, as publically available, biasses towards non whites.
Which is by definition bias against whites.

Van_Patten
Van_Patten
11 days ago

Sir Andy Cooke, who stood down in April as chief inspector of constabulary, told the Guardian he found no evidence of anti-white bias during his time scrutinising all forces in England and Wales.

He said politicians such as Farage were trying to “exploit” the Nowak case “to boost their political fortunes” and worsen community tensions.

Cooke, who was appointed by the Conservatives and won praise from both main parties, said: “Throughout my five years at the inspectorate, I found no evidence at all to support any claim there was an anti-white bias in operational policing.

Person who received a knighthood for patting a police force driven by vicious DEI dogma and anti-whit racism on the back ‘sees no evidence of racism’ – rather along the lines of ‘Pope is Catholic’ in terms of revelation.

Every single person in the country who isn’t paid to deny it knows the police are hugely racist towards Whites and have been since Macpherson (so that’s three decades)

In the House of Commons Starmer and Kemi Badenoch, the Conservative leader, warned against divisive rhetoric, and the prime minister condemned Farage for exploiting the tragedy for political gain.

“This is a time for serious work, not rage,” Starmer said, a response to Farage’s call to respond to the case with “pure, cold rage”.

Farage used a question to claim the UK was “living under two-tier policing”, saying this had led to “the anger that you saw spilling out in Southampton last night”.

And yet, in the middle of a pandemic when you had advocated even harsher imprisonment of the entire populace under a form of modified house arrest, in response to a death in police custody of a felon high on drugs, with an arrest sheet longer than a Grateful Dead LP, left wing groups decided to go on a summer long rioting spree – that rage was ‘entirely justified’?

I know you are the most evil man ever to hold high office in the UK but even by your standards this plumbs almost Marianas Trench levels.

In the Portswood area of Southampton, where anti-police protesters clashed with officers on Tuesday night, politicians and residents criticised the violence.

Satvir Kaur, the MP for Southampton Test and the first female Sikh to become a UK government minister, said she needed a security guard when she visited the area because she had received death threats.

Community leaders said there had been an increase in hate aimed at Sikh people and some were changing their routines to avoid being targeted and there were extra police patrols around Sikh buildings.

Because of course even though the victim is White, above all , White lives don’t matter and are only significant in terms of the impact their deserved fate (as part of compensation for slavery/colonialism etc) has on ethnic minorities.

I do of course hope this leads to lasting change but I have my doubts – we have a fifth column numbering in the millions who are deeply racist against White people and who have a fierce and burning hatred of them. They aren’t going to be removed or dealt with easily.

Boon, Hampshire’s most senior officer, rejected claims of anti-white bias and said: “I don’t accept the term of two-tier policing, I don’t recognise it.”

I could say precisely the same about

  • White privilege
  • White supremacy
  • Unconscious bias
  • Institutional Racism
  • Islamophobia

Would my denial of all these fantasies make them disappear if enough people with a vested interest, of evil disposition want to believe in them??

andyf
andyf
11 days ago

Where I worked had groups for Black people, Asians, Gays, and Women in IT.

I was left feeling excluded and in a non group where promotion wasn’t going to happen even if I walked on water …. consistently. I envied the prospects of people in a hypothetical “BAGWIT” group that ticked all the boxes.

Van_Patten
Van_Patten
11 days ago
Reply to  andyf

The late Aussie author Hal Colebatch had a phenomenal book ‘Blair’s Britain’ (He’s passed sadly so he couldn’t do the sequel ‘Starmer’s Britain) but the point is, regarding th hard Left they recognize the importance of morale. You need to feel depressed, as though the world is against you and that you don’t have any prospects. That is precisely how they want you to feel and they work 24/7, 365 days a year to reinforce that.

It’s not exaggerating it to say that White, heterosexual men who succeed in the current climate have to be pretty much pitch perfect in everything they do (unless they have extensive inherited wealth) – if a White man is at the top you can pretty much guarantee he knows his stuff, certainly in the private sector. No DEI framework will get them the position by underhand means.

rhoda klapp
rhoda klapp
11 days ago
Reply to  Van_Patten

Starmer himself is the counter-example. And Blair.

Van_Patten
Van_Patten
11 days ago
Reply to  rhoda klapp

Public Sector operates by different (Inverse) logic. Any talent there will be suppressed ruthlessly and one has to be close to pure evil (As is made clear by the two people you describe – for me both worse than either Hitler or Stalin in the damage they have done to the UK) to prosper.

Interested
Interested
11 days ago

If a black murder victim was handcuffed, dragged across rough ground, casually dismissed (‘mate’) when he pleaded for help and said he’d been stabbed multiple times, and had died after a gap of around an hour when medical help had been withheld, police officers would be prosecuted and cities would burn.

A million newspaper columns would have been written, and in time, yet more legislation published.

I hadn’t appreciated the gap of an hour until someone mentioned it on here yesterday.

It is well-known that the ‘golden hour’ is vital in trauma care; soldiers have survived triple traumatic amputations, and multiple gunshot wounds, and more, with prompt treatment. Doubtless the same is true of pub fights, car accidents, industrial injuries etc

I can’t say whether Henry Nowak would have survived had an ambulance been called and had the officers given him the best care they could, but it is certainly a possibility.

The questions all white (and all right-thinking non-white) people need to be asking are: why is our own government doing this to us, where will it lead, and what happens then?

bloke in spain
bloke in spain
11 days ago
Reply to  Interested

The most likely reason the victim was saying he couldn’t breath was he had a “sucking” chest wound. The body expand the chest cavity when you breath in to draw air into the lungs. But if the cavity’s pierced air is drawn in through the piercing, reducing the amount drawn into the lungs. Although he may have been bleeding into a lung, it obviously hadn’t filled both lungs or he couldn’t talk.
Standard first response procedure would be to look for a puncture & if found, seal it with a dressing or pressing a hand over it. There won’t necessarily be much external bleeding because any bleeding will be drawn in, not out. By all accounts, the police had sufficient reason to initiate the procedure but chose to ignore it. I’d suggest that could justify a manslaughter charge against the police. Negligent homicide?
He could have survived for quite some time breathing on one lung. The damaged lung will fill with blood but that shouldn’t pass over to the other lung. You’d arrange the victim with damaged lung lower than the undamaged. He obviously already survived an hour.

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Bloke in North Dorset
Bloke in North Dorset
11 days ago
Reply to  bloke in spain

By all accounts, the police had sufficient reason to initiate the procedure but chose to ignore it. I’d suggest that could justify a manslaughter charge against the police. Negligent homicide?

In some countries citizens have an obligation to offer first aid unless you are putting yourself in danger.

Perhaps we need something similar because the family knew he had been stabbed but didn’t offer any aid and if anything went out of their way to ensure he didn’t get any. A manslaughter charge with up to life imprisonment in such circumstances might concentrate a few minds.

Van_Patten
Van_Patten
11 days ago

I think the Chief Constable and his deputy hanging from a rope via a pitchfork or shotgun wielding mob could have an equally salutary effect. He might swing saying ‘I don’t accept two tier policing, I don’t recognise it’!!!!

bloke in spain
bloke in spain
11 days ago

I presume police get training as a first responder. You’re supposed to do the responding. I did a short course to be a track marshall at motor race circuits because one might have to cope until the emergency services can get there. It covered things like this. Like check the victim hasn’t got bits of vehicle through them if you have to pull them out because of an immediate fire risk.

andyf
andyf
11 days ago
Reply to  bloke in spain

The first duty of police is to protect life.

philip
philip
11 days ago

article 223-6 of the Code Penal
Non assistance a personne en danger

Interested
Interested
11 days ago
Reply to  bloke in spain

Yep, I know what a sucking chest wound is and how to treat one. He had also been stabbed in the legs – clearly not arterial, or he’d have been dead very quickly, but there would also have been a lot of blood loss.

I have no idea re the prospects of a prosecution but if a crowd-funder gets set up I’m all in.

bloke in spain
bloke in spain
11 days ago
Reply to  Interested

As someone’s already said, the DPP can take over any private prosecution in the “public interest”. Wanna guess what would happen? The ever ready to oblige, Hermer?

Last edited 11 days ago by bloke in spain
Deveril
Deveril
11 days ago
Reply to  bloke in spain

Yeah he only authorises political prosecutions against people with names like Peter Lynch and Lucy Connolly.

Grikath
Grikath
11 days ago
Reply to  bloke in spain

Negligent homicide, aggravated by ignoring prescribed protocol.

It’s taken a hour, and you can *hear* the aberration in breathing with a wound you described.
In fact, any proper first aid/resuscitation course teaches you to watch out for exactly those signs…
They *should* have noticed there was *something* seriously wrong…

NiV
NiV
11 days ago
Reply to  bloke in spain

Comment from the sentencing remarks:

The knife passed through, several layers of clothing, as demonstrated by the multiple slits in his dark top where the material had been overlaid on itself in the struggle and the single slit in his shirt. It passed upwards through soft tissue, between the two uppermost ribs, catching a lung and cutting an important vein, behind the collar bone. This was to a depth of 8cm from the skin surface. The consequent bleeding flowed into his chest cavity.

The pathologist, Amanda Jeffrey, found 1200 ml, or over 2 pints, of blood there. She said that no emergency medical treatment would have permitted access to the bleeding vein. In simple terms, he would not have survived, however quickly he received first aid, CPR or expert medical treatment.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Digwa-Final-Sentencing-Remarks.pdf

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Bongo
Bongo
11 days ago
Reply to  NiV

We’ve no way of knowing as we’re not pathologists but let’s swap some of that around “no emergency medical treatment would have permitted access to the bleeding vein”. becomes “medical treatments might have permitted access to the bleeding vein, just not the sort of medical treatments available in an emergency.” And “In simple terms, he would not have survived, however quickly he received first aid, CPR or expert medical treatment.” becomes er hang on, even if you had had unlimited time, let’s say a full week, to provide ‘expert medical treatment’ in the best A&E system in the world, the lad wouldn’t have made it anyway. That doesn’t add up Dr Jeffrey. I wonder if she deliberately avoided putting a timescale on how long the lad would have needed to have lived.

Last edited 11 days ago by Bongo
PJF
PJF
11 days ago
Reply to  NiV

The “he would have died anyway” excuse wasn’t acceptable in the George Floyd case and it isn’t here.

Everyone knows, including you, NiV, that if it was an ethinic minority person being contemptuously neglected by police after being stabbed by a white man, this country would be in fucking flames with probably multiple dead white people. And all lefty cunts would be busy fanning.

NiV
NiV
10 days ago
Reply to  PJF

You all appear to be reading some sort of ulterior intention in the quote that wasn’t intended. BiS was speculating on the medical details of the wound. I had previously seen the judge’s comments giving such details, and passed them along.

Yes, agreed, the police should have checked and tried to save him much earlier. Nevertheless, the wound was of such a nature that you would have needed major surgery to expose and stitch up a sliced vein 8 cm deep hidden behind the collar bone. He couldn’t have been saved, but that’s no excuse for what the police did.

Deveril
Deveril
10 days ago
Reply to  NiV

In simple terms, he would not have survived, however quickly he received first aid, CPR or expert medical treatment.

The cops at the scene could not have known that.

Chris Miller
Chris Miller
10 days ago
Reply to  NiV

I’ve read other (claimed) medical opinion that a clot could form and limit the bleeding. But then dragging Nowak across the ground and turning him over to apply cuffs could have dislodged the clot. I don’t suppose we’ll ever know the truth, but it’s consistent with the events as reported.

Steve
Steve
11 days ago

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Deveril
Deveril
11 days ago
Reply to  Steve

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Gamecock
Gamecock
11 days ago

The parable of Nowak and the police. This is who you have become.

Rage is REQUIRED.

bloke in spain
bloke in spain
11 days ago
Reply to  Gamecock

Brits don’t do rage, Gamecock. Been bred out of them.

Bloke in South Dorset
Bloke in South Dorset
11 days ago
Reply to  bloke in spain

Yeah, but those coppers aren’t getting the good biscuits next time they come round.

dearieme
dearieme
11 days ago

I’m far too old for it to matter but if nowadays I saw a copper in trouble I’d just walk on by. Terribly sad that it should have come to this but there we are. They’ve brought it on themselves.

Bloke in South Dorset
Bloke in South Dorset
11 days ago
Reply to  dearieme

I seem to be a lot slower than I used to be at getting out of their way when I’m driving and they come up behind with the flashing lights.

Of course that’s just because I’m cautiously looking for a safe place to pull over, nothing to do with me no longer believing they’re probably on their way to do good.

Bloke in North Dorset
Bloke in North Dorset
11 days ago

Policing could be driven back to the 1960s 

I agree, we don’t need to go all the way back to the 1960s, the 1970s as depicted on Life on Mars will do.

Steve
Steve
11 days ago

Nowak’s father, Mark, had condemned the “inhumane and degrading” treatment of his son by police.

But he added: “We do not want his death to be used to create further division, hatred or tension. We want his story to help make our streets safer for everyone.”

We spoke about how the cops lean on the families of white murder victims of Diversity to get them to say how great Diversity is, but it’s still pathetic to hear.

If my son was murdered, I would want blood, and I’d take it.

Interested
Interested
11 days ago
Reply to  Steve

I want the streets not to be safe for foreign murderers, if I’m honest.

Van_Patten
Van_Patten
11 days ago
Reply to  Steve

I envisage you as Charles Bronson from ‘Death Wish’ for sure!!

Interested
Interested
11 days ago
Reply to  Van_Patten

Could not be further from the truth.

Steve
Steve
11 days ago
Reply to  Van_Patten

Or at least Murdock from The A Team

Interested
Interested
11 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Faceman.

Steve
Steve
11 days ago
Reply to  Interested

I love it when a plan comes together

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Ottokring
Ottokring
11 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Cylon lives matter

PJF
PJF
11 days ago
Reply to  Ottokring

Fracking toasters.

Van_Patten
Van_Patten
11 days ago

Observing the entire last five decades one can’t help but marvel at just how right Enoch Powell got the situation. Like a latter day Nostradamus.

Steve
Steve
11 days ago
Reply to  Van_Patten

Look at how they dragged his corpse, long after his death, as a menace against anyone else who felt like being honest about immigration.

Enoch Powell proved that the most dangerous and unforgivable sin in the British establishment is telling the truth. Nobody gets that angry over lies.

PJF
PJF
11 days ago

Black police officer fears backlash over tomorrow’s anti-white police incident.

Steve
Steve
11 days ago
Reply to  PJF

Sir Andy Cooke, who stood down in April as chief inspector of constabulary, told the Guardian he found no evidence of anti-white bias during his time scrutinising all forces in England and Wales.

I’m sure he wasn’t looking, and that we can’t trust the word of “sirs” anyway due to how dishonest most recipients of British honours are.

But nice try investigating and exonerating yourself, coppers.

Western Bloke
Western Bloke
11 days ago
Reply to  Steve

These traitors have no idea how late in the day it is. They still think they can hawk this line.

There was a time when a lot of people still thought about racism in terms of skinheads, when people had a high level of trust in the police. But that’s gone. Mark Nowak isn’t a shock to people. It’s awful, but it’s just reinforcing what they already thought at this point. Can you imagine someone telling you this in the 80s or 90s? You’d think they were making it up. Now, you’re not that surprised.

bloke in spain
bloke in spain
11 days ago
Reply to  Western Bloke

In terms of skinheads or in terms of what people were told about skinheads? The music skinheads favoured was ska. Ska’s straight out of Jamaica. Skinheads were a reaction to the early takeover of parts on cities by immigrants & their “in your face” hostility to outsiders. Skinheads were quite willing to associate with blacks. Often sought to. But they wanted to do it on their terms not as subsurvients The “Pakibashing” was turf war as asian immigrant youth took over parts of cities & where whites weren’t welcomed. A reaction to “Whitebashing”.

John B
John B
11 days ago

What exactly was policing like in the 1960s? Was this loon alive in the 1960s… I was?

In the 1960s the proportion of the population non-white was about 0.75% and nearly all in big cities, particularly London.

That means hardly any of the population or po.ice came into contact with anyone non-white.

Steve
Steve
11 days ago
Reply to  John B

He means no more special treatment for blacks, no more fast tracking incompetent DEI activists up the promotion ladder, no more turning a blind eye or going softly softly on the antics of black gangs, etc.

60’s coppers would give you a clout for being a naughty boy, and a kicking if you resisted arrest. They weren’t pretending to be law enforcement like today’s yellow jacketed feebs.

bloke in spain
bloke in spain
11 days ago
Reply to  John B

He’s probably referring to things like the black owner of the Mangrove in Notting Hill being harassed by the police on drug charges. There was a film made of it. But if you were looking to score dope in ’69, you went to All Saints Road, had yourself a mango ice cream or a rum & lime & did the biz. If he wasn’t selling he certainly knew was & would point you in the right direction. That was before Notting Hill became the haunt of Tory cabinet ministers.

bloke in spain
bloke in spain
11 days ago
Reply to  bloke in spain

Actually, come to think of it, Landsdown Road, the other side of Ladbroke Grove, hosted Labour cabinet ministers. I parked blocking the driveway of a house one night & in the morning found a strongly worded note on the windscreen in the morning, on HoC stationary.

Steve
Steve
11 days ago

Meanwhile, Pakistan still has a functioning criminal justice system:

Pakistanis who gang-raped French tourist in front of her three children after her car ran out of fuel will be executed, court rules
Daily Mail

By Sabrina Penty, Foreign News Reporter
2026-06-03 14:15 BST Updated: 2026-06-03 16:55 BST

Two Pakistani men who gang-raped a French tourist in front of her three children six years ago will be sentenced to death, a court has ruled.

Abid Malhi and Shafqat Ali were convicted of gang rape, kidnapping, robbery and terrorism offences back in March 2021 over the attack on the Sialkot-Lahore Motorway and were handed the death penalty.

Pakistan doesn’t fuck around, why should we?

Gamecock
Gamecock
11 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Because you have liberal white women.

Bloke in South Dorset
Bloke in South Dorset
11 days ago

Policing could be driven back to the 1960s”

This seems likely to misfire.

Remember the Labour attack ad with Cameron perched on the bonnet of an Audi Quattro – “Don’t let him take Britain back to the 1980s”.

Most people looked at that and thought “fuck it; back to the ‘80s would be an improvement”. I suspect this will get a similar reaction.

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Van_Patten
Van_Patten
11 days ago

I think the rot was starting in the 80s but really we want to head back to the late 19th century and heed the warning of those real Conservatives who warned against allowing socialism. How prescient they seem today!!

Gamecock
Gamecock
11 days ago

Policing could be driven back to the 1960s

Great!

Vastly better than today.

dearieme
dearieme
11 days ago

Come to think of it, you could argue that in Britain antisemitism is just a subset of racism against whites. So the Grauniad ought to be able to find a form of words in its support.
I wonder what they will prove to be.

Gamecock
Gamecock
11 days ago
Reply to  dearieme

Nothing was leared.

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