A Mumsnet report drawing on a decade of users’ posts from the site paints a picture of a system where women fail to get the healthcare they need, with symptoms “brushed aside, treated as psychological, or simply not believed”; in a survey published with the report, 64% said they had been explicitly told pain or symptoms were “normal” or “in their head”.
Nursing is 91% female, madwifery no doubt more than that, doctoring is majority female and ob/gyn I would assume much more than that.
So who is it ignoring the birds with their uteri hanging out? ‘S Not us men, is it?
Perhaps patriarchy is better than being ruled by the boss girls?
I used to work with a woman who – rightly or wrongly – had a lot of time off due to the menopause.
All the men were sympathetic – women who had gone through it weren’t.
Fuck that. You are paid to do a job. No-one is paying Beckham to kick a ball around. His body means he would be fairly shit at it. Your body means you can’t work? Fuck off home.
Women should roughly go like this: leave school at 14 or 16. Go to work, work until you want to start sprogging. Raise kids. Go back to work when teenagers are a bit older, look after granddad. Yeah, there’s exceptions to that. And shouldn’t be denied opportunities. Women who love science and don’t want to have children. Career women who make really good money and pay a nanny. But that’s a small fraction of women. Maybe 10-15%. I work with women with degrees doing the same admin shit women used to do on O levels. They have sprogs and work and nearly all the money goes on running a car and childcare. Then grandad gets old and they expect the care system to deal with them. All because the state puts a thumb on the scales.
According to the GMC, Obstetrics and Gynaecology is the most female-dominated specialty in the country, followed closely by Paediatrics at 60.8%.
Adam Kay (This Is Going to Hurt) did Ob & Gyn (aka Brats and Twats) – an odd choice for a gay man, I thought.
More wimmin and effnics in the health sector, more misogyny and racial abuse in the health sector. Who’da thunk it……
I’ve wondered that for a while and d’you know, am starting to think that perhaps this is what “gentler, more caring” feminisation actually produces.
Wrongthink, I know, but am I wrong?
That said, according to my doctor daughter’s experience, the imported staff do tend to bring their, er, robust attitudes with them.
The feminization of our society has been a disaster. Feminism is a social cancer.
The thing is, there was always a “feminised” aspect to society, but without state interference, women did what women liked doing and were good at. They left school, got a basic job. Maybe did a short course in something. At the point of marriage/sprogging, they quit work.
Most of them hate their jobs. What they do is to turn workplaces into the equivalent of the WI. So, charity bake sales, competing on dressing up, bringing babies into the office. They show zero interest in figuring out how to use Excel better. And a lot of the jobs are unnecessary. A product of bloated government creating huge regulations for everything, so someone has to do it. Or a “3rd sector” of government throwing money at fake charities.
I believe that deep down, women want the old thing of staying home, baking, having kids, nattering with the woman next door, passing her the kids to look after to get a break, doing a bit of WI/charity work. Look at how huge Great British Bake Off is or Strictly Come Dancing. Women haven’t at all rejected female norms. They think they *should* have careers. They get sold a dream that is mostly bullshit.
“I’ve wondered that for a while and d’you know, am starting to think that perhaps this is what “gentler, more caring” feminisation actually produces.”
Women are mostly about process and manners. Men are more driven by results.
One for your field. I’ve noticed lots of women going into pop/rock music, and they’re all whining about being skint. They all got this idea of lots of money in music (because of the past) and go in, and the world’s changed since then. It’s saturated with songs. Anyone can click and listen to Kirsty MacColl, so why listen to Kate Nash, who is a second-rate Kirsty MacColl?
Men would be like “right this isn’t working out, what to do instead?”
So in medicine, female GPs will just shrug if they get stuck. They did their job. You came in, they went to the limit of their knowledge, end of story. And that’s just fine and fucking dandy for them because GPs get paid for turning up, not fixing people. That works for women. If we scrapped most medical licensing and people were paid on results, medicine would quickly become about like chefs and software: men and scary women like Angela Hartnett.
Much like all the uselessness in the public sector. It’s feminised around process and manners. If you tell someone “get off fucking Facebook and get me that document” you’ll be in trouble. You insulted someone. That they were being a lazy fucker doesn’t matter. What you’re supposed to do is follow a process. Which means, you fail, but you explain it. And maybe they go on some sort of disciplinary (maybe) although firing anyone in the public sector is like taking the ring to Mordor.
The private sector is more masculine. Don’t go crying to someone if you are told to “get off fucking Facebook and get me that document”. They’ll say “why were you on Facebook, go back to work”.
There’s a TV ad for some painkiller at the moment (Nurofen, maybe?) that has come up with a concocted “gender pain gap”.
Presumably to appeal to them wimmins that have been taught by relentless feminist propaganda that it’s the develish patriarchy that makes them perpetual victims (rather than the media, the feminine advertising industry and their own minds).
Anyway, in the ad there’s some woman moaning that Men (the bastards) dismissed her as an overly dramatic woman.
Which she enunciates as “…Overly. Dramatic. Woman.”
Dramatically.
It’s hilarious.
I thought women had a higher pain threshold?
Only when it suits them…..
Nonsense propaganda. Women have a higher frequency of perceived *and reported* pain. Not at all the same as suffering without complaining about actual pain.
A few decades ago I lived in a (very expensive – but I was a well-paid bachelor in a smallish flat so I could *just* afford it) housing estate that had two doctors, one male, one female. Naturally residents gravitated the the doctor of their own sex but on one occasion I had to go to surgery on the male doctor’s day off and the female doctor talked to me as if I was in pain and insisted on giving me a sick note that I didn’t ask for along with my prescription. Now I live in a small town with several GPs, the old (now retired) senior partner would talk sensibly, several female GPs when told I don’t take paracetamol “because it doesn’t do anything for me” responded by suggesting something stronger instead of accepting that I can manage without for minor pain associated with some medical problem.
Different individuals have different pain thresholds but the idea that women, in general, have higher pain thresholds than men, in general, is ludicrous; you now have women boxers and women rugby players: but how many relative to the number of male boxers and rugby and ice-hockey players?
I can say that I have never observed a woman absorb without complaining something that would cause me to complain but that is only anecdata: but I can report that doctors accustomed to female patients expected me to “suffer” from hurts that I barely/merely noticed.
If it’s a *gender* pain gap, they’re saying it’s not biology, it’s identity, so it’s simple, just change gender.
Fucking sort yourselves out, girls. You’re in the majority. Get on with it.
My daughter has discovered that crash test dummies and seat belt designs are modelled on men, and women probably need something different. Great. All those STEM girls and female entrepreneurs? How about setting up a design and test agency to produce female-friendly data and new designs? I’m sure our “feminist” government would shower you in money and mandate your stuff.
What? You want the boys to do it for you instead?
Schrödinger.
Yes. I’ve often heard the statement, ‘If X was a problem that affected men it would have been sorted out by now’, which is basically an admission that it is only men that sort problems out.
Women come with built-in airbags.
It’s the airbags that are the real problem. Seat belts can be adjusted for height, but an explosion going off in your face that can be adjusted for body weight is quite difficult to do.
Tim reported a story on here a few years ago about a couple of women complaining that health and safety clothing was designed for men and didn’t fit women very well.
It would never happen the other way round because a couple of men would have set up a business selling H&S stuff for men rather than whingeing and expecting someone else to fix it.
It is a constant complaint among women that their clothes don’t have pockets. Often the clothes resemble men’s clothes but with a different cut and with the pockets deliberately stitched up to make them unusable. I’m pretty sure that men just wouldn’t buy them rather than complaining and then buying them anyway. This of course perpetuates the problem.
I really love pockets and often wear those workwear trousers that you can get at places like B&Q, really comfortable and practical. Those workwear trousers are now available for women, so why are they not massive best sellers? B&Q are missing a trick, they only need to persuade some random pop tart to wear them and they wouldn’t be able to keep up with the demand.
Given who typically responds to surveys like this, 64% may be quite low.
In some situations, pain or symptoms are, actually, normal.
Be interesting to see if a survey of men turned out any differently.
As always, World Ends Tomorrow, Women & Minorities Hardest Hit.
I was thinking that being a Mumsnet survey, of course the women who responded would be the complainers.
the site paints a picture of a system where women fail to get the healthcare they need, with symptoms “brushed aside, treated as psychological, or simply not believed”
Author has never been married.
Also, note commie word ‘system.’ It’s not fellow female caretakers doing this to them, it’s The System™.
Stoicism is not a feminine trait, clearly.
The last hours of my Mum’s life, every single one of the medical and admin staff were women. The only man I saw was at the town hall when I registered the death certificate.
[American] Medical schools became majority female in 2019. Women became a majority of the college-educated workforce nationwide in 2019. Women became a majority of college instructors in 2023. Women are not yet a majority of the managers in America but they might be soon, as they are now 46 percent. So the timing fits. Wokeness arose around the same time that many important institutions tipped demographically from majority male to majority female.
Helen Andres, The Great Feminization
Worth reading the whole thing. Its thesis is that we call ‘woke’ is actually feminisation.
is that “Are NHS” in wonderful action?
Or should we conclude its not the organisation that doesnt care about the patients, but something else, some differnet metric. I mean they were all seen, so the box is ticked.
Illuminating article on the BBC of all places here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c152y8j4gljo
Men are noticeable by their absence.
Who could possibly have guessed that an almost 100% female dominated workspace could descend into a catfight of passive aggressive emotional manipulation and bullying?