The Dubai airline has ordered a total of 270 new 777X planes from Boeing at $440m (£330m) apiece, with the first jet built in 2019. But repeated delays stemming from design modifications has meant Emirates is still waiting for the planes seven years later.
Sir Tim Clark, the president of Emirates, said the initial batch of 10 of the jets required such a patchwork of changes to update them that they were not fit for purpose.
“We’re not taking that batch and that’s it,” he told The Telegraph at the Farnborough International Airshow. “As far as we’re concerned, what they do with them is up to them.”
Sir Tim said he understood that Boeing had been trying to find a home for the aircraft, before adding: “Heinz would be interested – baked bean cans.”
Except planes are made of aluminium and carbon fibre, baked bean cans of steel…..coke cans possibly, but not beans
Well yeah, but as a commenter said, he’s just negotiating out loud. That said, those early production aircraft will never perform as well as later examples. Heavier, bodged together, and apparently one’s already been parted out.
Something similar but nowhere near as bad happened with the A380.
Did you know that Coke cans rot?
I tend to buy mixers in bulk. Stacks of 12 packs. One of the Coke packs got damaged in transit & a can leaked. Unfortunately it was in pack on the top, so Coke leaked down right through the stack. The inside of a drinks can has a plastic coating to protect it but it seems the outside hasn’t. Or maybe it’s very thin on the bottom edge & wears during handling. Whichever, the acid in the drink burnt through the aluminium of dozens of the cans & they all started blowing. Lost a great deal of the stack.
Maybe that’s why beans are in steel.
Steel lined with tin and a coating – various reasons, but I seem to remember that one of them is because the beans are canned first and then cooked, and aluminium cans would need to be a lot thicker to stand the heat.
I believe the in-tin cooking is primarily to kill bacteria.
I saw it once on a childrens telly programme.
Steel cans can be a problem too. I had trouble with cans of Gillette shaving foam where the cans were made from flat sheet and the seam maybe welded, plus the bottom also welded. In a high temperature, high humidity bathroom environment (Hong Kong) the seams rusted especially at the junction of side allowing the foam to blow out at the junction of the side seam and the bottom.
It’s not the cans, it’s the coke. Coca-cola is a damned fine rust remover as well as gut-rot. Use it to free up seized bolts, etc. It will make short work of thin tin.
With some strong acetic acid and steel wool it forms a mighty fine Railroad Black.
Usually used in modelling, but you can do it in bulk, suspend the stuff in a turpentine-based stain, and go to town on fences and stuff…
Phosphoric acid. Long ago, at a teenage party, a friend put some cans of Coke in the freezer, then forgot about them. Clearing up after we found the cans, now rather bloated. The water content, now ice, had separated from the rest of the still liquid ingredients, Opened the can and a high pressure jet of concentrated Coke spayed his shirt, which started to disolve.
The sides are felse-joined with just the *teensiest* amount of kit to make it airtight. Same for top and bottom, but with a different kind of fold.
But yeah… because of the rolling, the microscopically thin pre-applied brand coating used to be rolled away with that, giving the rust problem.
Nowadays they use shrink-wrap branding covers, so there’s less of a problem in that department, *except* on the top and bottom..
All of it really…. Coke is a really nice mix of acids, famous as rust remover, but you can also use it for decorative etching…
So yes.. it eats through unprotected aluminium… *Usually* it dries out before ethe acids can do much damage, but if it stays wet…. welllll….
And the cans are *extremely* thin… Thin enough as a very crude sun filter. ( way too dark, but full sunlight *does* sorta shine through, if you use a blackout cloth to make it dark enough…)
The lip + bolt weigh as much as the entire rest of a half litre can… There’s a reason wind can pick up alu cans easier than even dry leafs…
Phosphoric acid. Emulates the hydrochloric acid of the original cocaine
I don’t suppose Dubai will need any new airliners if the USA provokes the destruction of all the Gulf desalination plants.
As for Boeing – presumably the Business Schools already teach it as an Awful Warning.
But in this blessed land we need only worry about the Manchester Mussolini, who’s pretty small change, really.
but also remember the Guardian originally came from Manchester
That’s a whole different time. Back when Manchester was an industrial powerhouse and industrial power was pushing against aristocratic power. The cities of the UK are now mostly inhabited by the modern equivalent. The spongers who tax everyone else. The useful people working in Manchester mostly live in Cheshire.
Indeed, but the point I was trying to suggest was that back then the Guardian was a respectable newspaper (even though it couldn’t spell). Left wing, sure, but not crazily so. Moving south was its downfall. Can we expect the same of Our Andy?
There’s no happy ending possible for Andeh (7th loser to take the job in a decade).
He can’t do anything to prevent ongoing rapid national decline, living standards falling noticeably, people feeling economically defeated every time they go to the supermarket or receive an electricity bill.
The New Labour toolkit of just lying about everything doesn’t really work anymore. When you’re selling “hope” and delivering poverty and immigration, it’s not a viable route to success.
Insects are drawn to the desirable blue light, and then electrocute themselves on the grille. D’ye see? They’re still cleaning bits of Starmer’s chitin off the bars, but Andeh is sure he’ll do better.
The endless, completely unfounded confidence of the midwit.
Liverpool Lenin. Burnham’s a fucking Scouse git.
Boeing is another formerly great company brought low by elite Indian human capital, saars.
Jumpshit doesn’t know how to be buildings the aeroplanes, but he is CHEAPings. *head wobbles, 166 passengers plummet to their deaths*
You’ll be pleased to know the British government has exempted Jeet immigrants from National Insurance, so British employers have a bigger incentive to sack British workers and hire shit fingered impostors instead.
Yeah, but they had McDonnell Douglas bullshit management destroy them first.
off topic – Rachel Reeves has been sacked but at least she can now put on her CV that she was Chancellor for seven years.
It only feels like 7…
I think the joke is that she can’t do sums.
Imagine if we lived in a shithole of a country where the political establishment and media encouraged violence against the political opposition, and when one of their followers took the hint, the police pretended not to understand the motive.
The 777 has been flying successfully for three decades now. The story doesn’t say who ordered the design changes. If it was Dubai, that’s on them.
The 777X is a new plane that was supposed to be in service in 2020.
It’s not the customers who turned it into a disaster. Boeing went down the MBA CEO route, with predictable results.
“What are we paying all these highly competent white men for?” asked the MBA, “brown scab labour from the Third World will allow us to pocket higher profits!”. So they went down the usual offshoring and H1B cheap labour visa route, and now Boeing can no longer build planes on time, within budget, to acceptable First World standards.
See also: the cancer that is killing the tech industry. If Indians were good at this stuff, they’d be successfully doing it in India. There’s a good reason why India is a Third World country where nothing works properly. Invite the Third World into your business, get Third World outcomes. Every damn time.
The 777 as a generic type has been flying a long time. But this case concerns early build 777-9 airframes and it is a Boeing problem, not Emirates. From Aerospace Global News:
The manufacturer has over 30 early-built 777-9 airframes, some dating back to 2019, which could incur billions in change incorporation costs to meet the final certified standard.
The change incorporation process brings previously built aeroplanes up to date with changes that have occurred since they were originally built, based on lessons learned from the certification process, productivity improvements or process improvements at Boeing. Previously built aircraft must be brought up to the same standard before they can be delivered.
So, these 30 aircraft are unsafe prototypes that failed certification, with fixes sellotaped on top.
Hmm, how many buyers would choose one over a new one? And if they do (because of a deep deep discount), what will their defence lawyer say at the inquests?
They should park them alongiside the famously unsafe Starliner. A class A mishap, according to NASA.
Boeing cannot make aeroplanes or spacecraft anymore.
So, these 30 aircraft are unsafe prototypes that failed certification, with fixes sellotaped on top.
Well, you could put it that way, but they’re actually production examples built on the assumption that there would be very few design changes as a result of certification testing and flying. Boeing had a nasty shock about that, and had to make some significant chages to the design, with the result that it’s going to take a bit more than duct tape to bring these early examples up to par and they’ll never be as good as later examples built to the final spec.
They were built that way to be available to ship to launch customers on time, but they fucked up.
The 777X is a derivative in the same way the 737 Max is a derivative, done at a similar time, under the same management, with similar short-cutting. Whoops.
Mad Millbrain is going to need transport as foreign sec isn’t he? Maybe Boeing can do him (and us) a favour here.
Hasn’t the theory been floated that India is “infected” with the Catholic “it’s God’s will” culture but even worse? It doesn’t matter how much effort I put into building this aeroplane, if it’s destined to crash it’s destined to crash, there’s nothing I can do about it, it’s kismet innit. It doesn’t matter how hard I work, if God’s will that I starve, I starve, if God’s will somebody will feed me somebody will feed me. It’s not my place to question the way of the world or, even worse, try and go against it.
the Catholic “it’s God’s will” culture
Proceeds to describe a mentality even medieval Catholics wouldn’t recognise. You could just ask one, you know.
Catholics built the universities, spread literacy and invented modern science, mate. It’s not the Blessed Virgin Mary’s fault that Indians worship elephant monsters and shit in their holy river. India is the land evolution forgot.
That’s a South American affliction.. You won’t find the attitude in “normal” RC’s , unless they’re so far down the horseshoe they meet the Strict Calvinist …..”communities’… in the middle…
The “Ultra-Orthodox” bunch.
Or as a great-uncle of mine, who was a proper monk, used to say:
“If the Good Lord hadn’t intended for us to *use* technology and Medicine, and all that, it wouldn’t be there to begin with.
It isn’t what a thing *is* , it’s what you do with it, and with what Intent.
And that’s actually…. here, here, and here in that Book you so despise, melad…”
We hardly ever agreed, but damn, the old man could put together a good argument, and taught me The Way.
( he was also quite aware of the ….penchant… for Young Boys in certain sets of priests…
His Answer: “They may be “Men of the Cloth”, but that Cloth won’t save them… ” )
Of course….. He was seen as a bit of a Freethinker… And regularly spent time in Penance, which never seemed to help…. 😉
Grikath
I like your great-uncle!!!
It is indeed a S. American affliction. (And Oh Boy, do I know it!). Used to keep the flock faithful in bulk. But I think it was pretty common in Europe for centuries. I notice it in Spanish workmen. They rarely test the results of their work Why so little of what they do, does.
What your uncle preached is a fairly late, sophisticated version of Catholicism. As for the Book, you can find almost anything in it if you twist the interpretation of the words hard enough. That’s been done for centuries as well
You great-uncle’s attitude is the sort that got my local Quakers “unfriended” by Head Office in the 19th century. 🙂
Some questions:
Why, after finding the body of a woman who was hit 21 times with a hammer, did the police lie and say Ann Widdecombe died “peacefully” ? (That’s what her family was initially told and said in a statement she had died “of a massive stroke”)
Why are they still pretending not to know the motive, when the suspect had a room full of newspaper clippings about Nigel Farage and Reform?
Why does a 28 year old WHITE BRITISH WHITE BRITISH BRITISH WHITE have no Internet footprint? Who scrubbed his internet history? Was that what the police have been doing these past several days?
Why is it that when Jo Cox MP was murdered, the Uniparty immediately dropped everything and rushed to her constituency – yet when Ann Widdecombe was murdered, they tried to bury the news with a ridiculous story about anti-Muslim “terrorism” that turned out to be complete bullshit?
So many questions.
21 strikes with a hammer. That’s a “massive stroke”, all right.
So my first question may be mistaken. This is what was circulating online, but I’ve been told this may be an AI error
I’ll amend my first question to “why did the police go out of their way to suggest this wasn’t terrorism, right before the suspect was arrested by counter terrorism police?”
The cops haven’t been honest about this, and they’re still not being honest – pretending the motive is some sort of mystery…
Another question: why is the BBC suggesting it might be OK to celebrate the unprovoked murder of 78 year old Ann Widdecombe with a hammer? Did they ask the same question when Jo Cox MP was murdered?
https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/m002yw7h
The suspected murder of Ann Widdecombe – and the reaction to it – prompts a debate about what we should and shouldn’t say about someone when they die. The former politician was celebrated by some, but pilloried by others for her lifestyle and political views. So is it ever OK to speak ill of the dead and, if so, when and in what way? Plus, we explore the origins of the phrase itself, and speak to an obituary writer about which details to include, and which to leave out.
Is it possible to hate the BBC enough?
I shall certainly speak ill of the BBC if and when it croaks.