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There is hardly a serious economist to be found who does not think that, in the face of mounting budgetary pressures, he should raise taxes.

Why not, ermm, cut spending in order to balance the books?

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FrankH
FrankH
1 month ago

Cut spending? Isn’t that what the little people are supposed to do when they get into debt? Governments’ purpose is to spend money, not to economise.

Geoffers
Geoffers
1 month ago

“Serious Economist” being defined how, exactly?

Deveril
Deveril
1 month ago
Reply to  Geoffers

No sensible person would ask that question
As all right-thinking people agree
Et cet.
Cont’d…
…
Neo-liberal
Far-right
Far-right extremists
Sexist
Racist
Misogynist
Homophobe
Transphobe
Fascist

Because that’s how Hitler got started.

Theophrastus
Theophrastus
1 month ago
Reply to  Deveril

…

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Gamecock
Gamecock
1 month ago
Reply to  Geoffers

“No true Scotsman” fallacy.

Michael van der Riet
Michael van der Riet
1 month ago
Reply to  Gamecock

One nail hit on head… again.

andyf
andyf
1 month ago

My numbers show that we now have a quarter of a million more public sector employees from just before the general election, so right there is another £12.5 billion each year plus a huge bill down the line for those unfunded central government pensions.

Bloke in North Dorset
Bloke in North Dorset
1 month ago
Reply to  andyf

Well, according to at least one* Labour MP the private sector can only survive because of government spending, so we should be grateful for all extra public employees.

*Looking at the rest of them and the wider party and left in general I don’t think he’s in a minority, far from it.

The Original Jim
The Original Jim
1 month ago

Well to some extent that Labour MP was right – there’s a lot of the ‘private sector’ that couldn’t exist without the State using their goods or services. Businesses that would not exist in their current form if the State didn’t send a lot of business their way. Now of course they were utterly wrong in the sense that if the State sector did not exist there would still be a private sector, as people have needs that must be met, and someone is going to do that. But what private sector exists today is often significantly the result of State directed spending. Its got to be, when the State spends nearly 50% of the economy. That is going to artificially direct large sections of the private sector in ways that it otherwise would not go.

Bloke in South Dorset
Bloke in South Dorset
1 month ago

True. But, as you say, that’s affecting what the private sector does, not its existence or size; if government weren’t distorting it, it would do something else.

You get that difference, but I don’t think they do, because they never consider second-order effects.

Chris Miller
Chris Miller
1 month ago

Guardian Media Group for one. Tom would miss it if it wasn’t there.

Michael van der Riet
Michael van der Riet
1 month ago

Thank god for light-hearted economists whose resting face is a smile.

Ottokring
Ottokring
1 month ago

I had bet the cat a fiver that this was Willy Hutton, because that is just the sory of moronic comment he would make. The cat says she is going to spend it on a new bag of litter.

Plantagenet Palliser was a 19thC version of Jim Hacker. He was there to fill a gap and not rock any boats. And like Hacker, any bright ideas he might have had were stymied by bureaucracy and vested interests.

Frank
Frank
1 month ago

The article is behind a paywall so I haven’t read it but the headline does say it’s a choice between tax rises or welfare cuts.

Bloke in North Dorset
Bloke in North Dorset
1 month ago

It gets worse:

One way of eschewing tax increases would be to bow to the siren voices urging vast reductions in the welfare bill. Yet that would be a sledgehammer that would hurt many genuine hard cases, not just those the right tells us are “playing the system”.

Anybody seriously thinks that the 1,000 per day being granted PIP, for example, is not full of people “playing the system” isn’t worth listening to and he reminds me of the 364 economists who signed that anti Thatcher letter.

And this ….

It would also be a good way of splitting the entire Labour party (sic).

What’s not to like – Labour Party delenda est.

Marius
Marius
1 month ago

Someone, perhaps here, pointed out that 95% of motability cars require no modifications.

Martin Near The M25
Martin Near The M25
1 month ago

Normies won’t riot if you tax them more, the underclass will if you cut their gibs.

Gurzel Wummudge
Gurzel Wummudge
1 month ago

Maybe we should swap the bureaucrats who eagerly dish out all manner of bennies with the ones that stop, slow or restrict planning…

Norman
Norman
1 month ago

Unfortunately they’re the same people.

Norman
Norman
1 month ago

In other news, in a referendum, Iceland has just rejected full EU membership 52% to 48%.

Funny, I seem to recognise those numbers. I wonder what will happen next? Will I recognise that, too?

Bloke in Wales
Bloke in Wales
1 month ago
Reply to  Norman

In other news, in a referendum, Iceland has just rejected full EU membership 52% to 48%.

Not even rejected membership, rejected holding talks to negotiate membership. Middle fingers don’t get much more emphatic than that.

Michael van der Riet
Michael van der Riet
1 month ago
Reply to  Bloke in Wales

I’m curious to know what makes Icelanders resistant to EU membership. Perhaps its the packaging and labeling bullshit which might be enough on its own. Iceland’s main product is a banking sector which after some monstrous screw-ups, is now operating in the Goldilocks zone between under-and over-regulation. Lagarde may have expressed intentions to strangle them in the approved ECB way. There’s a lot of volcano tourism, I believe, but it’s not as if EU competitors are going to export their own volcanoes to Iceland.

Bloke in South Dorset
Bloke in South Dorset
1 month ago

“I’m curious to know what makes Icelanders resistant to EU membership”

Is it still fishing rights?

The Original Jim
The Original Jim
1 month ago

Got to be a big part of it for sure. Fishing accounts for 10% of their GDP. And nearly half their exports. There’s no way the EU would be allowing that to stay the case after an accession, even if they granted some sort of temporary derogation. At some point they would have to give up their fishing rights to other EU members.

Norman
Norman
1 month ago

Yes, by the look of it.

God, we’re plagued by progressive women.

Ted S., Catskill Mtns, NY, USA
Ted S., Catskill Mtns, NY, USA
1 month ago

AIUI, they’re in the EFTA customs union and the Schengen area (the latter, after all, started as a Nordic free-movement area), so they get those benefits without being subject to a bunch of EU directives on areas like fishing.

Germany’s Tagesschau program in its explainer on the referendum somehow managed to find the one fisherman in favor of restarting talks.

john77
john77
1 month ago

EFTA was sensible – sigh!

Deveril
Deveril
1 month ago
Reply to  Bloke in Wales

That’s even better! Good for them. Nice to see a people with balls and independent spirit.

Deveril
Deveril
1 month ago
Reply to  Norman

Best of luck to them. Let’s hope they learned a few lessons from here.

Mind you, they’ve got immigration problems which possibly make even ours look trivial.

Bloke in South Dorset
Bloke in South Dorset
1 month ago
Reply to  Deveril

20% – bloody hell

Deveril
Deveril
1 month ago

Yes. Surprising, isn’t it.

The proggies are like the face crawlers in Alien. They find a host and consume it from the inside out.

Marius
Marius
1 month ago

Non-Europeans are 9% of the population but seem to be mainly Filipino and Thai, not sure why. Muslims make up less than 1% of the population.

Norman
Norman
1 month ago
Reply to  Norman

I wonder what will happen next? Will I recognise that, too?

On Sunday, Kristrun Frostadottir, Iceland’s prime minster, said that the country ‌would continue to strengthen its relationship with ‌the ‌European ⁠Economic Area.

The Social Democratic Alliance leader, who favoured a Yes vote, stressed that she did not “see this as a setback”.

“I see this as a victory for democracy,” she told a press conference, pointing to a voter turnout of over 80 per cent. “I want to make it absolutely clear, this government is not going forward with the accession talks this term,” she stressed.

That’s a yes, then.

bloke in spain
bloke in spain
1 month ago
Reply to  Norman

Looks like the Ireland solution, then…

Line Noise
Line Noise
1 month ago
Reply to  bloke in spain

Here’s hoping Icelanders are wise to that game, and understand the Prague solution

Theophrastus
Theophrastus
1 month ago
Reply to  Norman

Federasts never give up.

john77
john77
1 month ago
Reply to  Theophrastus

In other people it’s called “Obsessive Compulsive Disorder”

Line Noise
Line Noise
1 month ago
Reply to  Norman

I’ve seen this movie….

Agammamon
Agammamon
1 month ago

No True Scotsman.

If you think that spending can be cut then you are clearly not a *serious* economist.

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