On the subject of forced marriage – the annual report from the people trying to deal with it is out or summat – we get this:
Dame Jasvinder warned some perpetrators hid behind accusations of racism.
She said: “They (perpetrators) will try and put you on the back foot. ‘This is our culture. This is our religion. You’re being racist’ or whatever, to put you on the back foot, to make you look the other way.
“And I do feel that it still does exist in terms of professionals having the confidence (to report such safeguarding concerns). Cultural acceptance does not mean accepting the unacceptable.”
And, you know, which culture?
The Home Office said forced marriage was “not a problem specific to one country, religion or culture; there is no archetypal victim or perpetrator, and no two cases are the same”.
And isn’t that a nice piece of blindness?
The Home Office said forced marriage was “not a problem specific to one country, religion or culture…
If you flip it, it becomes easier: there is one religion (including a couple of variants) and one culture (again including variants), practised by people historically living in one region (and then also migrating to another) for which forced marriage is not a problem
To be fair, arranged marriages aren’t unique to the Islamic culture. And it depends what you mean by “forced”. The pressures to conform with custom can be considerable.
yeah… There’s the Hindustanis as well…..
For the UK that’s two very prominent cultures who most definitely do not practice this kind of thing in the Modern Age….
Of course, the non-goatshaggers are *posh* and very much not Caste-driven and that’s different….
It’s certainly part of Hasidic Jewish culture & not exactly unknown in Orthodox community. And I’ve been on the receiving end of it with Cypriots. It was definitely a wish with the family I got hitched to one of the daughters. The pressure was considerable. Nice family & Andrula was certainly a prize but…
Japs, too. Still do it, but much less than formerly. Probably Chinks also.
The Japanese culture is not arranged marriage, but matchmaking. Basically, outsourcing the search component of dating. What we used to have as things like “church socials” and “meddling aunts” until modern generations declared that previous generations helping to guide younger generations into adulthood was an unacceptable interference in people’s personal freedoms.
Young Cypriot women can be gorgeous… Unfortunately they turn into their Mum by the age of 20…
It was advice I was given. If considering marrying a woman look at her mother. In 20 years that’s who’ll you’ll be living with. I first met my ex-wife’s mother at the wedding in Marseilles. Help! And it didn’t take her 20 years, either 🙁
The Habsburgs did a lot of it. The Spanish Infanta Margarita Theresa was married at 12 to her 23 year old uncle Leopold I of Austria.
Do the Spanish still go in for arranged marriages? Either those in Spain or the Latin American ones? I thought it used to be pretty common amongst the land-owning classes.
Dear Senor Cortes
In answer to your recent letter ( 13- Ozomahtli ), we should like to assure you that dragging victims to the tops of pyramids and cutting out their beating hearts in honour of the Feathered Serpent god is in no way unique to one specific nationality or ethnic group.
Yours sincerely
Jemima Mbongwe
Diversity and Inclusion Officer
Tenochtitlan City Council
Chapeau!
How can you fix it if you can’t even say it? Somebody needs to be a lot more specific.
Just add it to the list of things we can’t do or say because foreigners living among us might kick off.
You can’t fix Islam because it isn’t broken. It’s working as intended, designed and proclaimed.
theres are several UK embedded cultures / religions / whatever where forced child marriage is absolutley not a thing. Could we focus in on the problem by identifying and excluding those instead?
“We are the government. We have proved you are very stupid, gullible people with Covid and climate change. We aren’t going to bother pretending we’re not lying anymore”…
And, you know, which culture?
Yes – pretty much the whole of the third-world.
Allow other cultures in, you get other culture behavior.
You’re being racist
The dear lady thinks that’s not valid when it comes to her cause. Her’s is more important.
there is no archetypal victim or perpetrator, and no two cases are the same”.
There are thousands of cases which are the same, not two.
The Home Office said “We lie for a living, you know.”
Lady, you have no jurisdiction in the foreign colonies in your country.
BTW, they do things there way worse than ‘forced marriage.’
i am pretty sure not even the Welsh are doing arranged marriages in the 21st century. so I doubt that there is no ‘archetype’.
Forget about the scaremongering which counts “referrals”. How many cases of forced marriage have been confirmed in the UK?