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It is hoped a legal opinion, stating that slavery was illegal under English law at the time it was practised, would expose Britain to future litigation and make it responsible for reparations.

Which is why we didn’t have slavery in England. Not so much because it was illegal but because there was no law making it legal. But, obviously, English law only covered England…..

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Throwback
Throwback
1 month ago

If a particular legal opinion is required, especially on this subject, there will always be a lawyer to supply it

Ottokring
Ottokring
1 month ago

Where do these people make this stuff up ?

The Normans banned slavery ( thralldom ) in England, there was still plenty going on in Ireland – not sure about Scotland.

And that’s it. It remained a common law but was never put into statute.

The colonies were not like French colonies and considered part of the metropolis. They had a governor and largely made their own rules. Hence why some American provinces didn’t have slavery and some did. It wasn’t until the 19th Century Imperial expansion into Africa and India that ‘proper’ law was introduced into the colonies.

Ottokring
Ottokring
1 month ago
Reply to  Ottokring

ps The colonies pre 1783 were about trade and primary production to feed Britain ( both in raw materials and food ), not political union or any nonsense like that.

Bloke in South Dorset
Bloke in South Dorset
1 month ago
Reply to  Ottokring

Not sure they were even that high-minded. Weren’t they mostly just about making money?

M
M
1 month ago

Some were, some weren’t – there were utopians, etc..

Theophrastus
Theophrastus
1 month ago

Making money honestly is high-minded…

Ottokring
Ottokring
1 month ago

A lot of it was to do with Charles II’s interest in beaver and melons.

Jonathan
Jonathan
1 month ago
Reply to  Ottokring

Fnarr, fnarr…

grist
grist
1 month ago

I’m working on drawing up an invoice for all the good things that being a colony of Britain brought to a country. It will also include a fee for all the ships and lives lost by Britain when we tried to end the transatlantic slave trade. I will agree that payment of said invoice can wait until Jamaica has successfully obtained reparations from their lovely cousins in Africa who sold their ancestors to the slave traders, provided that the reparations are ordered by the UN to be paid by next Tuesday. There! Problem solved and everyone’s happy that justice has been done…

Norman
Norman
1 month ago

And they want us to raise statues of darkies.

We could, of course, start with statues of all of those darkies – and there were many – who served with the West Africa Squadron to end the Atlantic trade.

Western Bloke
Western Bloke
1 month ago

Are these people aware that the monarchy is a load of irrelevant cosplay now and the King can do sod all?

Norman
Norman
1 month ago
Reply to  Western Bloke

Cargo cults die hard.

Western Bloke
Western Bloke
1 month ago
Reply to  Norman

I reckon Meghan’s issue is that she’d watched too many Hallmark romances about American women meeting the Prince of Elbonia and going off to have a charmed life.

Agammamon
Agammamon
1 month ago
Reply to  Western Bloke

Thing is – she could have had that charmed life. Freed from material want, hanging out with the ‘elite’ of UK society who would pretend she was important, and mild adoration from the populous.

Instead she thought being a princess meant she was *important*.

Tractor Gent
Tractor Gent
1 month ago
Reply to  Western Bloke

Er, in 3 feet of mud?

Norman
Norman
1 month ago

This piece by Robert Tombs is probably the most concise, readable and devastating takedown of the whole scam I’ve yet encountered.

Marius
Marius
1 month ago
Reply to  Norman

It’s good, but not as good as “fuck off”.

Penseivat
Penseivat
1 month ago
Reply to  Marius

I seem to recall that David ‘Mastermind’ Lammy referred to his ancestors having experience of slavery. What he didn’t say was from which side they experienced it. Lammy is from the Bantu tribe, an offshoot of the Zulus, and were amongst the most prolific slavers in Africa. As one of my ancestors died during his time in the Royal Navy on anti slaving operations, I’d quite happily accept reparations from Lammy, cash or cheque, I don’t mind. I’d even accept a postal order.

dearieme
dearieme
1 month ago
Reply to  Penseivat

The Zulus are a particular mob of Bantu – who are defined by their language group and spread from West Africa to conquer much of the sub-Sahara.

jgh
jgh
1 month ago

Why would it expose Britain to future litigation? Britain didn’t own slaves or take part in slave trading. The *PEOPLE* who owned slaves or took part in slave trading would be exposed to future litigation – just as they were in the past when they tried doing it in England. “Inimicable with the free air of England” and all that.

Bloke in South Dorset
Bloke in South Dorset
1 month ago

There was a period, between the banning of the slave trade and the end of the Napoleonic War, when British sailors were forced by the press gangs into the Royal Navy and could be sent to the West African Squadron.

Effectively enslaving our own citizens to stamp out slavery amongst foreigners.

Boganboy
Boganboy
1 month ago

So you’re arguing that blacks of Africa and the West Indies should pay reparations to the UK for the cost of stamping out slavery???

Gamecock
Gamecock
1 month ago

“British sailors.”

Sir, we had a war in 1812 over impressment of AMERICAN sailors.

M
M
1 month ago
Reply to  Gamecock

The problem was telling actual Americans from British deserters.

The British didn’t go into American ports and press sailors there, they would stop ships at sea and press them.

For that matter what was the criteria for that? Would you be American because you said so?

Gamecock
Gamecock
1 month ago
Reply to  M

I expect the British had no problem at all: ANYONE with an English accent was deemed “British.”

Then there is the greater problem of British ships stopping American ships on the high seas. The Atlantic was not a British pond.

Tractor Gent
Tractor Gent
1 month ago
Reply to  Gamecock

It pretty much was then – ‘possession is 9 tenths of the law’. It only really became an American pond after WW2.

Agammamon
Agammamon
1 month ago
Reply to  M

Apparently you were British because someone with a strong incentive to say so said so – thus you were pressed.

dearieme
dearieme
1 month ago
Reply to  Gamecock

That was only a pretext. In the peace negotiations the American side cited not one of their pretexts, a pretty good sign that they had been baloney all along. The War of 1812 was simply a US attempt to seize land while Britain was otherwise occupied with Napoleon.

Gamecock
Gamecock
1 month ago
Reply to  dearieme

No shit, Sherlock. Castlereagh announced repeal of Orders in Council in June 2012, as the US was declaring war.

Gamecock
Gamecock
1 month ago
Reply to  Gamecock

Only missed it by 200 years. June 1812.

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