Six of the finest best bitters (or amber ales, if you insist)
Ale is, by definition, non-hopped. The thing that makes bitter bitter is hops.
Six of the finest best bitters (or amber ales, if you insist)
Ale is, by definition, non-hopped. The thing that makes bitter bitter is hops.
You’re not wrong. At least historically. Modern day usage may be a little more flexible.
My host will be pleased that his favourite beers, yummy fresh hopped craft brewed IPA’s, are about to burst on the market in New Zealand.
Had my first hazy fresh hopped at the weekend at MarchFest in Nelson.
Ale is, by definition, non-hopped.
Was, but that definition has not applied for hundreds of years.
eg India Pale Ale, both the historic version and aggressive US-style modern interpretations are hopped.
I see I managed to essentially repeat britinkiwi’s point. That’s what happens when you dawdle over comments….
I find modern IPAs too cold, too hoppy and too strong most of the time.
i notice that young’uns very much like their Guinness, Slightly surprises me as i don’t see any of the cinematic level adverts anymore that create just the right image. And then i realise the marketers don’t need to do that, just use the algorithm to target your demographic and click send.
Apparently when Guinness was first offered for sale in Dublin the Roman Catholic population referred to it as Black Protestant Porter.
A question: there used to be a Protestant working class in Dublin. I don’t think I’ve heard them mentioned in my lifetime. Were they ethnically cleansed at independence?
“Were they ethnically cleansed at independence?”
Yes. The whole Church of Ireland thing is pretty much gone in the South. As are all the noncomformists, pretty much.
IPAs are supposed to be very hoppy and quite strong in modern terms. The India part of the name is from when they were shipped to the East India Company troops, and they had to be very heavily hopped (it’s a preservative) to survive the long journey. It turned out the troops liked the taste, and the style continues to be brewed.
Thanks, Tim. Where then are the apologies and reparations?
They indulge in whining about ethnic cleansing in Palestine without mentioning shshsh! Twats.
Go to An Coirean, arse end of the arse end of arse end of Ireland county Kerry.
The protestant church is on top of the hill. The catholic church is a converted shopfront.
How did this protestant cleansing in the new Republic work? Were the prots discriminated against in public jobs, housing, persuaded to migrate to UK or USA or was it a bit more in your face with a ban on prot schools, social and sports clubs.
I don’t imagine there were fire bombings or beatings.
“The personal stories of some of those affected by the lawlessness of the period are recounted in detail. The murder, disappearances, eviction, intimidation, arson, land seizures, looting and boycotting tell a sad story of the clear sectarian nature of this ethnic cleansing. This was not just an attack upon the big house Protestants, as Marcus Tanner is quoted as stating – “practically the whole of the Protestant working-class – perhaps 10,000 – fled from Dublin in the early 1920s”.”
There were indeed fire bombings & beatings.
@Dearime,
The classic Irish response is to blame the Catholic church. Just like anything before 1922 was the fault of the English, and anything after the nineties was the EU. The Irish never did anything wrong, never colluded with those in authority, never.
Hops and cannabis are closely related, belonging to the same plant family (Cannabaceae).
So closely related that it’s possible to graft the two plants together. Hops onto cannabis rootstock and vice-versa. However, it seems it’s a myth that doing so can create a hops plant with psychoactive properties.
Thanks TW and BiS – I didn’t know
Beer and ale are both made with grains, water, yeast, and (with a few exceptions) hops. Beers are made with bottom-fermenting yeast strains and fermented at cooler temperatures than ales, which are brewed with top-fermenting yeast strains and are fermented at warmer temperatures. The variety of hops and the type of malt also affect colour and flavour.
Ah, no. Bottom fermented is the distinction between lagers and other beers…..
It’s an interesting etymological twist.
16th, 17th centuries beer was the new-tangled hopped drink and ale non-hopped (on the continent often flavoured with herbs, but I think mostly unflavoured in England).
But nowadays CAMRA popularised the use of “real ale” for traditional hopped beers (mostly bitters), and “craft beer” has more recently sprung up as the term for modern experimental styles.
Which means that a drink sold as a beer now has more chance of being flavoured with something other than hops than a drink sold as an ale.
Hopped beer was seen as a Protestant innovation (allegedly due to the Catholic Church holding a continental monopoly on gruit, the mixture of herbs mostly used across the Channel as the main flavouring in ale before hopping was perfected, but I’m not sure how true that was).
17th century historian John Aubrey thought hops and Protestantism came together, and dated the use of hops in English beer to Henry VIII, quoting the verse:
“Greek, heresy, turkeys and beer
Came into England all in a year”