Almost half of white men are self-censoring at work for fear of causing offence, a poll has found.
In one sense the two are the same thing of course. Not shouting “You crazy fuck!” at the bird tippexing her screen is both manners and self-censorship.
Of course, the meaninghs do change getting toweard the extremes.
When I was working, some of the HR department (mostly power skirts) moved into our building.
The door to our office became known as ‘the job saving device’.
“Mr Samuels also addressed diversity, equality and inclusion (DEI) programmes, which are still run by most UK companies, while public sector bodies such as the police and NHS are providing diversity training.”
Most UK companies? Absolute bollocks. It’s a tiny number of huge companies that do this. Companies that are household names and conscious of their image. Someone at WH Smith uses the n word, that’s a national story and damaging to the brand. Because everyone is familiar with WH Smith that reads the paper. No-one cares what Jones Engineering in Warrington does. You call someone a bad name in a company like that, you’ll still get a talking to, but no-one cares that much about preventing it in the first place. Big expense running the courses.
@WB
But if a ‘Jones Engineering’ supplies one of the big boys (especially big retail) you’ve got to comply with the supplier manual – you get audited for compliance. Increasingly in the last 10 years the manuals have been infected with all sorts of HR crap as an addition to the normal practical quality compliance stuff. Don’t have a ‘modern’ slavery policy etc etc?…. audit fail = big PITA.
What is even worse is that they all have whistle blowing procedures – a pissed off employee can ring your customer (in confidence) if they have a grievance and you don’t take the action they think you should.
So small companies, like I used to own and run, have to not only comply, but be seen to comply, with all the latest lefty woke stuff the HR skirts come up with….. and swallow the expense as well.
I think a lot of the other half have quit, or taken early retirement if they’re a bit older.
There’s only so many times you can sit in a room and be lectured on how they want to hire people who aren’t like you.
Things got out of hand when the Personnel department got too big for their boots. Not helped by the gender pay gap which meant that to improve the female pay, you needed a big empire to justify it. Hence the infestation of power skirts into businesses.
It turns out that HR is how you do the Long March into corporate management, eh?
I last worked for a big corporation none of this had happened, but I understand from others that this goes way beyond good manners nowadays. Some people, probably all white men, try to avoid all contact with some of their colleagues. Not just banter or mild insult, but anything can be made into a problem by the complaining classes. Women who didn’t want you to compliment them, women who do want you to approach them and you don’t, minority folks who take normal idiomatic speech as some sort of racist dog whistle. And if it goes to HR or tribunal you haven’t got a hope.
On Saturday I saw an employee in a shop treated to scorn and eye-rolling. But since the treater was a woman that probably doesn’t count.
(The victim was a pleasant, rather pudgy brunette; the bully was a scrawny, ugly blonde.)
“Things got out of hand when the Personnel department got too big for their boots.”
Yep. When Personnel department became HR, I knew it was all over.
Fact of life:
Correcting people is an act of LOVE. The walking-on-egg-shells environment means white people no longer help people learn and grow. This HR DEI mess is HURTING THE PEOPLE THEY ACT LIKE THEY ARE HELPING.
Such that, this is really about growing HR, not helping people.
I know that you are describing businesses, but you could equally be describing Universities, especially anything created after WW2, which includes the former Polytechnics, but also a hell of a lot of what were ‘New Universities’ before them.
What a kinder, gentler world it is now that the wimmin are in charge, eh?
Norman: It’s the same with all the complaints that the NHS ignore wimmin’s medical issues. But the NHS is rapildly approaching 90% wimmin, so it’s wimmin who are causing the problems wimmin complain about.
Related: Twice as many Americans would avoid brands with Pride merch than would support them
The poll, commissioned by the LGBTQ+ organization GLAAD and conducted by the polling firm IPSOS, asked American adults what impact it would have on their likelihood of buying from a brand or store if they knew that that brand or store offered “LGBTQ Pride collections/merchandise
Fifteen percent of respondents said they would be more likely to buy from that brand or store, while nearly twice as many (27%) said they would be less likely to buy from that brand or store.
Nobody likes the DEI stuff and the LGBTQ++ George Floyd/Tranny flag just means “Fuck You” to the great majority of normal people. Censorship and self censorship are about making you feel isolated and afraid, which is necessary because nobody likes the gay Hutu Doctor Who and nobody believes he’s “Scottish”. But it would be awkward for CW if you pointed out the emperor is bollock naked and some kind of inbred retard with pubic hair on his pointy little head, so they’d rather you shut up.
I wondered for a moment what “CW” might be, but suspect Steve means Clown World.
TOBIT – Other CW news:
Five years later, Minneapolis remembers George Floyd
People will gather in what is known as George Floyd Square on Sunday to reflect on the police murder of George Floyd.
The Minnesota Star Tribune
May 25, 2025 at 11:00AM
Member when this ugly criminal lowlife died of a drug overdose after stealing a banana, and they buried him in a golden coffin under the senile gaze of President Drooly, while the media was encouraging anti-white pogroms to burn down American cities, topple statues of white men, and inform whites that their lives don’t matter?
That was a bit unreasonable, wasn’t it?
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to get high and threaten some women in honour of St Floydy. Whilst thinking very Brexity thoughts.
Steve, I wonder if the Minneapolis event will give a clue as to whether the air is leaking from the Floyd balloon.
Perhaps Vox will keep an eye on it for us.
BTW about that golden coffin
George Floyd was laid to rest in a 14 karat gold-plated Promethean casket by the Batesville Casket Company. This casket, which costs around $25,000 and upward, was only the third to be buried in this model, after Michael Jackson and James Brown.
This is going to confuse the fuck out of future archaeologists. How many civilisations give random low-IQ thugs and thieves a Pharaoh’s burial?
TOBII – I wonder if the Minneapolis event will give a clue as to whether the air is leaking from the Floyd balloon.
It’s burst, mate. Middle class professionals can’t wait to tell me about this “black fatigue” they’ve seen on Twitter.
Trump’s election broke an evil curse, and now it’s ok to tell the truth again.
“Five years later, Minneapolis remembers George Floyd”
Happy Violent Junkie Day!
“Censorship and self censorship”
Self-censorship applies to polls. Creep calls to ask about buying from queer stores. “No mate, doesn’t bother me. At all. Can’t wait to go there.”
There’s a definite skill to work banter and everyone has to implictly agree that the intent is for the joke not for the put down. There’s a 5’4 guy my pal works with and told me quite proudly in one exchange he had with him “You must have been gutted when Mothercare closed down.” obviously these might be quite formulaic but actually its quite hard to pull off, timing and phrasing have to be just right. I’m pretty useless and actually would find it mildly stressful to be expected to do that day in day out.
“Not shouting “You crazy fuck!” at the bird tippexing her screen is both manners and self-censorship.”
Definition:
Gentleman: Someone who is never unintentionally rude.
BWTM!
Beware the false positive reinforcement trap!
Say some things that could get you in trouble. A few coworkers get together, and agree to smile and WRITE THEM DOWN AND DATE THEM. You say more things, and they all laugh and carry on. Great times! Then they record it. After some time, HR calls you in and dumps the documentation in your lap. You are sofa king dead. That they laughed and smiled is no defense.
This is hilarious:
https://archive.ph/Zj00A
‘The club describes itself as “always anti-fascist, anti-sexist, anti-racist, anti-homophobe, anti-transphobe”.’ How about pro-football? Note the pink and blue flag-waving was in support of “trans-women”, not “trans-men”. Any trannies on the team? The report doesn’t say. It’s also not clear from the report whether the other team were actually wimmin.
Shrewd and perceptive BTL comment: Palestine is the new BLM. This accord’s with Steve’s observation above. Tough if you’re swarthy, eh? Your position atop the Grievance Tree has been swiped by a bunch of Arab pikeys.
Jgh: NHS employees are 74% female, so, yes, on the way to 90%
Norman – Note the pink and blue flag-waving was in support of “trans-women”, not “trans-men”.
The entire “transgender” category error is in support of “trans women” (i.e. men).
Pooners are just collateral damage. Nobody takes them seriously, not even themselves, because why would you take seriously a 5’0″ hunchback “man” with zippertits and a scraggly little pube-beard and no dick? What’s she going to do, pull out a little fishing rod and sit on a toadstool?
Re: BLM, the thing about “black fatigue” is that everyone was forced in 2020 to pretend, under menaces, that Black Lives Matter is a good thing. Now they’re raising money for white women who tell naggers to fuck off. We’ve spedrun through the clown years, now we’re at the bit where everyone is exhausted with race baiting anti-white activists and tranny perverts alike.
Gamecock – Yarp, but even carefully selected polling by GLAAD can’t hide the public’s disgust and fatigue with the whole LGBTQIA++ thing. American companies are quietly dropping “Pride”. It was the trannies wot did it, people were fine with the gays, but soon found out you can’t treat a mental illnesses the way we do a sexual orientation.
I.e. homosexuals are men who like other men, in tight white t-shirts and moustaches. Whether you approve or disapprove, they’re not making demands on your perception of reality, and they don’t want to go into the women’s toilets. But “transgender” requires our ongoing active participation in a harmful lie that human sex is mutable. Carrie is right, the direction society is going in is towards Net Zero Transsexuals. The reason we’re doing that is because we tried tolerating transgender, and it was a disaster. But contra Carrie there won’t be any “genital obsessed fascists” marching People of Gender into the woods. Instead, people will just say:
“Come on now, Gary.”
Which is a million times more stinging.
This is going to confuse the fuck out of future archaeologists. How many civilisations give random low-IQ thugs and thieves a Pharaoh’s burial?
We’re creating many mysteries for future archæologists – my favourite is that when the HS2 link to Euston is cancelled (before the end of the year, I reckon), there’ll be giant tunnelling machines abandoned in the London clay. Centuries hence, they’ll be discovered and there’ll be much stroking of beards (I’m betting archæologists will still have beards, particularly the women) while they try to puzzle out why we buried so much wealth deep underground. “Ritual” they’ll conclude (because they always do).
Chris’s comment gives me the excuse to put up Smith’s Ozymandias…which was not the winner of the competition.
In Egypt’s sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
“I am great OZYMANDIAS,” saith the stone,
“The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
The wonders of my hand.”— The City’s gone,—
Naught but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.
We wonder — and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro’ the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
— Horace Smith, “Ozymandias”[5]
Tip-top, rk.
The second verse describes a fast approaching reality. But I don’t much like London so I’m not too bothered.
Americans got it in 1968, with the denouement of Planet of the Apes.
Hardblieve it’s been 57 years.
Christbearer M – there’ll be much stroking of beards (I’m betting archæologists will still have beards, particularly the women) while they try to puzzle out why we buried so much wealth deep underground. “Ritual” they’ll conclude (because they always do).
Or “fetish totem”. I wonder how many innocent cavemen stand accused of being perverts because an undersexed PhD found Mrs Stig’s cave ornaments.
“Ah, hmm, yes. The smooth rectangular plastic device bearing the legend ‘M&S SPARKS’ is part of an elaborate ritual practiced by women of the era. But more studies are required.” *strokes beard, wisely*
RK – That’s excellent roast poetastery, but I’m with PiP and Alan Partridge.
“Go to London and I guarantee you’ll either be mugged or not appreciated.” – Alan Partridge
So I’m fine with London descending into a wasteland haunted by irradiated ghouls, 80’s biker gangs, cannibals, slavers, mutants, giant radioactive insects that no longer fear man, human sacrificers, pterodactyls, MP’s, escaped high security mental patients dressed as Santa, and lawyers. As long as we get to build a massive wall around the M25, and only allow people into the Red Zone if they’re Kurt Russell on a mission to rescue Donald Pleasance.
Gamecock – Americans got it in 1968, with the denouement of Planet of the Apes.
The Omega Man (1971) – basically a shot for shot documentary about lockdown.