Black women in England are still facing poorer outcomes in their maternity care due to systemic racism, alongside failures in leadership and data collection, according to a group of MPs.
Across the UK, black women are more than twice as likely to die in childbirth compared with their white counterparts, while babies born to black mothers are at an increased risk of stillbirth.
Is there any society in which these aren’t both true? Where maternal mortality and stillbirth rates are not higher for blacks than whites?
If there isn’t then two explanations present themselves. One that the whole world’s racist – which might even be true but would be a surprise as an outcome in ocuntries where blacks have the political power these days. Or, there is something genetic going one. Which, obviously there is – black skin for example – but is there something more. Say, propensity to gestational diabetes? And those with actual medical knowledge could no doubt expand that list.
It seems like one of those things that it would be worth finding out about, no?
Given the racism from prominent black MPs , which is pretty much endemic especially from those on the government benches, we probably need to examine the legality of ethnic minority only shortlists and examine whether anyone citing ‘systemic racism’ should be allowed to sit in Parliament at all.
“It seems like one of those things that it would be worth finding out about, no”?
No Tim, because they’ve already decided that the cause is racism………
A number of things not looked at because ‘they’ don’t want to validate the obvious. Few studies of racial IQs around. Seems like it would be a good place to study.
It depends on what you mean by “black”. Of West African extraction? Or Somali? I rarely see a Somali woman who looks like Iman. Most look like Hattie Jacques. Waddling blobs of metabolic problems ripe for gestational diabetes. How are things for them?
And I read the other day that the NHS workforce is 30% “of colour”. Whether that’s clinical staff or the whole lot I don’t know. You’d have thought they’d show some empathy for their co-ethnicists, eh?
Given that diversity is our strength, there are so many different ethnicities that they are all likely to be in groups of Others; therefore their own racism will also come to the fore.
Somalis have skulls shaped like lightbulbs. Geneticists speculate this may be an evolutionary adaption to provide extra protection to the head when stealing bicycles.
If there are failures in data collection, then how does anyone know?
Well the first question would be how are they defining “black” in this case. Negras or the all purpose black that aren’t the hated whites?
My twopenneth, based on a different Afro-black population. They’re far more likely to be religious. Which is the same as being gullible. And they do seem to have damned weird ideas about what is appropriate healthcare. A lot of which verge on witchcraft. So you’re going to get a lot of delayed intervention by competent healthcare because their remedies will have been tried first.
Having been through the NHS a lot down the last few years, I reckon witchcraft might be a safer bet.
That’s easy
That Sewell review noted this, that black maternal deaths were high but the rate was also at an all time low as is the rate for other mothers. Due to the low numbers each death should be judged on individual merits. There was a suggestion that migrant mothers who’d been beaten by partners/relatives or had poor pregnancy care while abroad were showing up in UK hospitals in their last trim, but the numbers overall are too low to conclude. He couldn’t find systemic racism to explain it.
It’s an area worthy of serious study, by actual epidemiologists and other, related, qualified medical professionals; the problem is it’s also a huge opportunity for professional grievance entrepreneurs to ply their trade, and they will get upset if they aren’t allowed to exploit it commercially. The role of the latter will be to introduce moral and cultural relativism into the mix, to make sure responsibility lies with the predetermined goodies and baddies, as opposed to whatever conclusions hard science suggests.
No, Tim, because so many people’s jobs depend on it being ‘racism’.
Could it be: recent arrivals more likely to be poor, black women more likely to be recent arrivals, poor women more likely to have poor health outcomes? So they’re complaining that people with poor health outcomes more likely to have poor health outcomes.
I wonder how the rates for women of healthy BMI compare.
It is clear from this and other instances that Black people are not really safe in the UK. At risk from institutional racism and the individual and commumity kinds. This is grounds for a transfer to France, Belgium or Ireland there to claim adylum from the terrible UK.
Wakanda seems like a safer bet…
Any statistical artifact that suggests racism is to be taken at face value. Any one that challenges racism must be evaluated with more carefully to identify any confounders.
No point in it. The commie left has given Blacks! a bad case of character disorder, i.e., their problems are all someone else’s fault. Academic evaluation of claims of racism will not change that, regardless of findings.
At its core, the mindset is mid-19th century Democratic Party, that Blacks! are incapable of taking care of themselves, and, therefore, SLAVERY IS JUSTIFIED.
“due to systemic racism” loosely translates as “I am telling lies”.
Actually it means “I hate you”.
They accuse white people of conspiring to create all their problems in the same way Germans used to blame Jews. It’s both a slander and a justification for more hate.
Are we the bruthas’ keepers? I submit to you that we are not. Britain doesn’t need minorities and doesn’t owe them anything.
It’s mystic racism. No one can see it, except for commie white saviors.
What are mortality rates like in their native Africa?
still facing poorer outcomes in their maternity care due to systemic racism,
They face ‘systemic racism’ everywhere they go, apparently. And that’s why shops put security tags on coffee and meat.
This has been studied and understood: Black Africans have narrower and deeper hips, with a longer birth canal than Caucasians and much more so than Asians. Whilst allowing them to run faster, it also makes birth more liable to complications.
Black Africans have narrower and deeper hips,
Not the steatopygous ones I sit next to on the bus
The bones underneath…..
Got to find another stick to beat Whitey with…
There something last month about less genetic diversity in migrant groups due to preferential marriage to close relatives.
Apparently this preserves the purity of the bloodline or summat. (which is only racist if you are a whitey). It also tends to cause significant health problems.
This is a matter of concern and deserves better treatment than the flippant comments in this thread. Perhaps there is systemic racism, more likely there is not.Let’s not allow our biases to divert us from the issue of patient outcomes.
first of all…. Seems “Asians” ( we all know we should read Pakistanis there..Most other major Asian nationalities in the Uk seem to have more common sense/have embraced Civilisation™..) are Black when it suits the Groan..
Second.. All things considered, that’s a pretty low rate, so much so that you can pretty much ditch actual “medical care” as a cause.
The Hallowed NHS has many faults, but the average stillbirth rate is really low, so much so that a rise/fall in that one decimal digit is mere random ( bad) luck.
You’d have to go Above and Beyond (like here in Clogland) to get that number significantly lower ( and more susceptible to Random Bad Luck…) .
So it’s not the care, so it’s either Genetics or Culture…
And reading further in what I quoted, the first thing the NHS itself states that it is crucial for pregnant women to notice changes in the movement of their unborn child, especially the “lack of”, to prevent stillbirths.
And guess where the statistics, by the same hallowed NHS, show who “is reluctant to seek aid”…. Stated as “a distinct tendency to under-recognise and seek aid” …And in which sctript/language the warnings are primarily stated in, aind aimed at…
Genetics *may* play a role, but the primary cause here is Culture.
Doubly so when the runner up seems to be “Hygiene”, especially of the Lower Bits, and infection thereof…
It’s different for the “maternal deaths”, because that seems to hit the Aftrican(-origin) contingent a lot harder.
Still extremly low numbers:
Reading further, the primary/leading cause of death of the mother is thrombosis.
This *is* a thing where the Africans run more risk. Because the organ we call “blood” is in fact the bit where Mother Nature experiments the most in us Humans.
If you think we all look Different, and the Liver is a Very Complicated Chemical Plant…. let me introduce you to Blood… It’s migraine-inducing complicated and still not fully understood.
Other than Africans having the greatest genetic variety in it, reinforced by ..Tribal Practices… There’s a solid reason you can tell which part of Africa people are quite likely to come from… Far worse than County/”local” visages in the UK…
So yes, it’s entirely possible, and other statistics confirm this, that people of African Origin** are more likely to suffer from thrombosis during major physical “episodes”.
Of which “giving birth” is a doozy… The only thing more dangerous in that respect is a blood transfusion from a stranger, without testing…
So the cause here is *mainly* genetic.
Possibly aggravated by possible “Thradhithional”post-partum aftercare..
Neither have anything to do with Systemic Racism.
In fact, the disparity in stillbirths exists mostly because DoGooders like the Groan “journalists” *prevent* ( or try to..) some common sense to be knocked into the damn furrin’ oiks.
** Note that I used African Origin, instead of African Derived.
The Carribean contingent.has actually been through the genetic wringer, and if anything the Colonial Past of Slavery heavily favoured women who could breed more slaves, with the right stud..
So the Caribbeans, through, as was understood at the time, Good Husbandry, have been mostly cleared of the thrombosis issue, or Narrow Hips, or….. All the lovely things that plagued the WhiPiPo Nouveau Riche trying to imitate the actual Nobility who *learned* from the Habsburg Experiment…
The more you know….
That brings me…
Given how *strict* UK libel laws are, and the continued push for the explanation of “Systemic Racism” by certain parties are,
Even though a casual analysis of the publicly available stastistics by a Nobody Foreigner like me show the claimed causes to be Fabricated.
Surely there’s a law firm seeking Profit….
Fight them with their own fire……
Sounds like an uphill battle, though not hopeless.
Is libel still a jury trial, or is it up to a “learned” judge?
Boo fucking who.
Black! Guardian reporterette cries that whites aren’t helping Blacks! enough. See, Blacks! can’t exist independent of whites. Whatever the reporterette thinks she is doing, it defies logic. She has the mentality of a slave owner. “You people are mistreating your slaves!”
With the total lack of clinical explanation, we must conclude the cause of death was being Black!. Mass psychosis character disorder. Blacks! die more; it must be someone else’s fault.
Blacks! will always be slaves until the let go of their character disorder. This Guardian article REINFORCES character disorder. It does generational harm to Blacks!.
BTW . . .
I’m going to go out on limb and say Guardian is a STRONG SUPPORTER of causing children to be stillborn. Their tears are fake.