Starmer to unveil digital ID cards in plan set to ignite civil liberties row
‘Brit card’ already facing opposition from privacy campaigners as government looks for ways to tackle illegal immigration
A “Brit” card would be the most un-English thing ever. And yes, I do mean un-English. Who cares what the Celts think?
I’ve decided to stop being angry, now the blood pressure’s hit 200 and just laugh at the clowns as they try a bit of juggling…
Your’re the man in today’s Matt cartoon and I claim my £5.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/matt-cartoons-september-2025/
Richard Burgon actually said something sensible on this matter. That is how serious it is.
To be fair, I expect he had to copy it off of someone. I can’t imagine that he came up with it himself.
The cheeky fuckers really have forgotten that they are the servants, haven’t they? I signed this a few days ago when it was on about 70,000. It’s now over 600,000 (and has gone up by 50,000 in the last hour).
Do you have a link?
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194
GBNews had the story this morning. Before they ran it, it was under 500,000. It’s now 617,000.
750,000 now.
802,000
805,000 now, 52 minutes later.
They never believed they were the servants in the first place, Interested. We saw that with Covid.
Watched Lisa Nandy on BBC Breakfast and apparently it will be compulsory to have one but you’ll never be asked to produce it except by your employer. In which case, given that we already have NI numbers, what’s the point?
The Left, in panic at the rise of Reform, following their authoritarian instincts.
As someone planning to retire in the next few years, there’s no incentive for me to ever get one, assuming the weasel Starmer a) gets it through Parliament and the Lords and
b) finds a govt IT contractor who can produce one that works.
Here’s a link to the petition aganst:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194
My usual question. On what basis do they issue the cards? If the cards are compulsory then possession of a card must be a “right”. And that is a right everyone currently legally in the UK will have. But how will they assess that “legally” starting from where you are now? Brits have never needed “proof of identity” & a lot of people successfully conduct their lives without it. So they’ll have to issue cards to people with no PoI.
Said before. This will be a wonderful opportunity. Slip over to the UK on my passport. Park the car at a mate’s & leave my kit in the boot. Tog myself out in Oxfam, abjure washing for a few days & get nice & grubby. I’m now a dosser been “living on the streets”. Chuck a brick through a shop window & wait to be arrested. Brief court appearance, short suspended & I now have a social worker to help me get the Brit ID card I’m entitled to in any name I fancy. Open all sorts of doors that will. Couple of weeks & driving back to Spain well happy. My social security money will be going in my new bank account. That’s worth about 6k a year isn’t it? And that’s before I really get going.
No, what’s going to happen is the Brit-Card is going to be used to regularise all these illegals you’re currently infested with. They’ll all disappear off the figures. So proving what a “good idea it’s been.
I thought this too. How do they ‘know’ who has the right to be here? Whats the ultimate proof? Is the DID going to be biometric? Not much point if its not, you’ll end up with people with several DIDs otherwise – I’m Muhammed Irfan, Mohammed Irfan is someone who looks very like me, but isn’t me.
What is the secure and accurate dataset for who is supposed to be here? Answer, there isn’t one. The only way this could work is if everyone had to present themselves at a location with whatever bits of paper are supposed to prove residency and have their details and biometrics taken, and a completely new database created. And even that wouldn’t work because it would run in to the problem that there are loads of people who were born here who currently have no paperwork at all, and no way of obtaining it – like you say, a UK citizen who has been living rough will need to be registered, but with what proof of residency? Heck what proof they even are who they say they are?
I don’t think we need have any worry about it, because its going to become rapidly apparent that its utterly unworkable, precisely because the authorities have no idea who is here, and who has a right to be here. So the idea you can create an ID card system that excludes certain categories of people is nonsense. Like you say I don’t think that this is designed to exclude anyone. Its designed to basically legalise all the illegals.
I wonder if they’ll remember to cut off of the Day of the Jackal trick? And even if they did by checking the births and deaths register, how will they know if someone who was born in the UK has died abroad? If you knew of a UK citizen who was born in the UK around your birthdate (and thus would be on the UK births register) but had emigrated and died abroad (and thus wasn’t on the UK deaths register) could you use that ID to claim a UK DID identity? Heck you could probably do it with someone who was born in the UK but had emigrated and is still alive. How are they going to stop people living outside the UK having their identities stolen?
BiS has it right. Its primary purpose is to regularise the irregulars. Don’t forget the ethnicity of the civil servants doing the processing. Its secondary purpose will be to oppress the rest of us further and make our lives more constrained.
Absolutely. Who imagines that the Home Office won’t just fast-track every boat boy and illegal in the country?
I was thinking exactly that. I’m Lionel Chambers, and so’s my wife.
I don’t think they care about this. It’s not really anything to do with immigration. If they can get everybody tagged and controlled they win.
They don’t even have to have a successful tagging of everybody.
They tag pretty much all the regular people, the ones who are already in the databases. That’s the easy part.
The ones who aren’t supposed to be here? Well, if it’s at all difficult for them, they’ll get an ID from a clerk. Generally they’ll get several.
But it’s a matter of who gets the contracts for implementation. And how much they paid for it, both in bribes and in ex-pols moving to directorships.
It’s my human right to have a DID ……
Anyway, if they are thinking of using biometrics the whole thing will get bogged down in bureaucracy. Let’s say it takes 5 minutes to check the person and then take the eye scan or whatever. Tyler’s say thats 10 minutes per person, so we’ve 70+ million 10 minutes appointments to wade through. How much is that going to cost and how many machines will be needed?
Start with the uk passport rules. The eligibility rules are clear and these can be leveraged to get a digital id. If you have a visa permitting you to work in the uk then this gets you a temporary digital id. If you are receiving benefits this also gets you a digital id that may or not entitle you to work but you will need it to claim some benefits.
Your digital id will carry biometric identification like a passport so your identity can be confit. This makes it difficult for a scumbag to have more than one digital identity and if you do succeed there is always the risk that a check for duplicates at some later date will catch you in the act of benefit fraud. Not perfect but better than what we have now.
As I commented on X:
We can be certain of two things:
1. Both costs and timescales will overrun by a factor of PI(), at least.
2. When it does eventually come on line it will be used for all the cases they deny it will be used for and will make sod all differece to illegal immigration.
EU countries that have ID cards are up to their balls in Muslims and Blacks, so obviously ID cards do not stop immigration
If you’ve actually had experience of living in a country has ID cards (you obviously haven’t), you’d know difficult it is to get anything done without one. So we may have our Muslims & Negros (I can use that word here!). But illegals are cut off from almost all State provided services & most private ones. And there’s seriously heavy fines for employing the undocumented. Can run to €10k a head.
I just looked up when ID cards here were brought in. ’44 under Franco. Couldn’t have been hard to implement. People didn’t move around much. They already had the empadromente. The register of people living in the municipality. The church could validate almost everyone’s identity. And that gave the basis the current digital ID has developed from. I think France’s system goes back a lot further. But again they had a documented system to build from.
Getting an ID card in either country is, from experience, quite a challange. Here I need passport, my residence certificate, proof of a residence, copy of my registration on the empadromente & the photos. I had to prove income to get get residence but I think I may have to repeat. Dunno. I’m currently applying for a card so I’ll find out. Need it so I can get back into the country. From November they will no longer be accepting passport plus residence cert. Registration in done in person at the local Police National. Not guys to be fucked with, from experience. They certainly won’t see handing them out as a “right”..
It occurs: Labour scotched the Community Charge, didn’t it? The “nothing to do with us “Poll Tax riots etc. That actually had a register of individuals. Council Tax of course is related to the property not its inhabitants.
What you sow you will in due course reap.
? What’s that got to do with anything?
I love you, BiS, but you could start an argument in a phone box.
Are you sure you’re not Scottish?
France & Spain can’t stop the buggers getting in. Any more than the UK can. But ID docs do make it far harder to live once they’re in. Why the buggers are at Graveline trying to get across the Channel rather than staying in France.
Well, the LibDems are happy with proposals “as long as it isn’t compulsary”.
Guys, here is the plan:
You will be forced to sign in to the internet with your digital ID to stop “disinformation” and “protect children”.
This is about taking away anonymity and free speech online – everything you say will be logged and traced
I noticed that as soon as this was announced, Reddit was filled with shills and bots saying “What’s so bad about ID cards it sounds good actually :smug: ” and Tony Blair slithered out from under his rock to blink at us with his nicitating membranes.
Demand a referendum on this.
NO2ID
Ha ha ha! They are going to start?
Government fails at prime duty. Therefore, you must be punished. If the government wanted to stop illegal immigration, they would have. They don’t. So their excuse is a lie.
Yes, we know
Starmer really has a reverse Midas touch. In his hands everything turns to shit. I expect it will dropped by teatime.
National ID used only for ID? Take a warning from your American cousins about the Social Security Number. It was only to be used for the government
Ponzipension scheme. However it eventually became a national ID used for medical, credit, finance, taxes, and a plethora of other uses. To quote Nancy Reagan, “Just say no.”3.15pm
Over a million now.
Countries that have ID cards are usually ex( or current) Police States.
Which come to think of it, is just about everywhere. So the populations have grown up with this concept.
It can be interesting how forrin’, forrin’ actually is. France used to have internal Customs revenues. Quite often, entering French cities via the historic highway, you see the quite distinctive buildings of the old Customs posts taxing trade between French regions..
In the UK we own our own names. In a lot of continental countries, names for children had to be chosen from approved lists. Hence Jean-Marie.
He emerges every 27 years to feast on your money and civil liberties
This could conceivably have been of some use as an anti-illegals tool if they had started it 15 years ago.
Now, it will simply cement in place all existing illegals, while setting up the UK as a “show me your papers!” state.
Yarp, bollocks on stilts. ID is nowt to do with migration, which is actively encouraged and facilitated by every part of the state plus taxpayer funded quangos and state funded bigcharities, with menaces from the cops and media if local natives get too objecty. ID is draconian, but the immigration line pure gaslighting. Of course you knew you were being lied to, as soon as you saw it was Tony Blair.
Censoring the internet is their urgent goal. They want you to be forced to log in with your real name and location every time you log on, so the AI can check your thinking in real time and perhaps send plod to ascertain the Brexityness of your bookcase. You will note the Online Harms Act’s long and satanic provenance. It’s something awful this way comes has the establishment has been diligently pushing – Demon Seed like – since the shameful days of Theresa May, OFCOM merely the camel’s snout. What is it they’re so desperate to stop us talking about? You may wonder.
Meanwhile, Home Office is going ell for pleather packing in as many random foreigners from all over the world as possible while they still can – a real ‘fuck you’ to current public sentiment. And I see they’re still building several of those expensive offshore wind turbine megafarms which will add mega cost to our energy bills. While running down Grangemouth Refinery (an actual critical national infrastructure the Russians would want to attack in a war? Makes no sense.) Wheee! Feels more Nero decree than things can only get better.
Steve
You’ll be horrified to hear that the present Qld State Government has actually cancelled a number of wind farms.
And indeed they’re actually spending money to keep the Callide coal burner running. Instead of building the windmills and battery storage, which the Greens assure us will be much, much cheaper!!!
If you just assume that the British Establishment hates the British people, everything they do starts to make sense.
I’m a true-born pre-war Englishman (now non-resident) and I’ve just calculated that of my 87 years I’ve had a mandatory ID card for 60 of them – including 12 years up to 1952 as a child. Only my current HKID has had any digital (fingerprint, photo) capability and I don’t have any particular problem with it. However I do fear that the proposed Britcard will be a nightmare and I bet that the first people to be issued with them will be the ones who will not be entitled.
Well a world war and imminent invasion can just about justify ID cards.
The Home Office never got over the shock of the system being abolished and it has been their goal ever since to get ID cards re established.
This why the damned policy rises Dracula like every few years. When a Home Sec is particularly pliable or stupid, the Home Office blob gets it adopted again.