BiS points out that it would be far cheaper to offer a cash payment to those we’re throwing out than it would be to keep them.
So, how do we price that freebie?
My best guess is at about 50% of the fees it costs to get here. We cannot afford to make roundtripping profitable now, can we?
Hang on, I thought the motto of this blog was ‘Incentives matter’? If you’re giving out free money to the scum of the world, what are you going to get?
That’s why the amount has to be significantly less than what it costs to turn up and claim it.
I doubt you’ll get many takers for that Tim.
Offering someone £1000 to fuck off when they’ve shelled out £2000* just to cross the channel is hardly the offer of a lifetime.
No leave to remain, no access to any services, no welfare of any kind, no right to work, ever.
We don’t need to bribe the bastards, just deport them.
*(Much of which will be borrowed from the family back home and which MUST be repaid).
Every little helps, I suppose.
Though I favour giving the small boaters notice that they will be regarded as invaders (which they are) and their boats shelled, strafed and sunk if they don’t leave UK waters on a third brief warning. After two or so dinghies are sunk, end of problem…WWID*
*What Would Israel Do?
An incentive to leave that is lower than the cost of arrival is not an incentive to arrive. Duh!
A free ticket to the destination* of the deportee’s choice should be good enough.
* pick from: South Georgia, St Helena, Rockall, Shagnasty Island, or Henderson Island
Or Ireland.
Ireland is a bit too close for comfort (in many ways) and has transport links.
Not only are there transport links but there aren’t any passport controls on them.
It would have to be made a one time deal, backed by collection of DNA, fingerprints etc and with the certainty of detention followed by swift deportation without right to legal recourse should you be caught in country without a valid visa ever again.
According to the Danish Returns agency, those who leave voluntarily after their asylum claim is rejected are offered up to DKK40,000, about GBP4,700, in a combination of cash and other support.
https://eng.hjemst.dk/repatriation-support/repatriation-support-for-asylum-seekers-who-have-been-rejected-or-who-have-retracted-their-application-for-asylum/
So the necessary bribe is 4 700 quid??
This return price talk annoys me. Charge THEM for being there. Open the coal mines for them to work until they have paid off what they owe for coming there.
They should be paying YOU!
This is throwing good money after bad. A more pragmatic solution would be to process the asylum claim as they are getting of the boat. The required “questions” are name, nationality, photo, fingerprints, DNA sample, county where boat departed and finally where to be returned as you are coming from a safe country so your application for asylum has been rejected.
ALL asylum requests should be rejected out of hand. None are coming from unsafe states. E.g., France is not an unsafe state. They can’t wander through a half dozen safe states to then ask for asylum in UK. First safe state is it. UK gov is chumps for allowing it.
“Process” their “claims” while they’re still in the boat.
Easier to get them all that way.
FFS Steve! Those missiles are a million sovs each. There’s a much cheaper solution below.
I know but WHOOOOOSH! NYEEEAAAAAAWWWW!
And the remains would nourish Channel fish stocks…
But the deterrent effect of just one successful strike would be huge!
Setting a returns price means that the Calais smugglers know what they have to work to in order to get repeat customers. And if they’re already making a 60% margin after exes . .
No-one would take it on that basis.
We already know that they value being in Britain higher than the cost of getting here, otherwise they wouldn’t pay to come. So they’re not going to take less than that to go away.
You’d have to also lower their perceived value in staying here, and that’s what our government seems incapable of.
“If we catch you, we will kill you.”
All gone in two weeks.
But first, they must catch you
Not really. CGI. BBC showing films of asylum invaders and other illegals being machine gunned will inspire them sufficiently.
If it doesn’t . . . .
The bottom line is the invaders are there because the government doesn’t have the will to keep them out. If they were to get the will, many solutions would quickly come forward. The problem isn’t the way, the problem is the will.
Oh no, my friend, it’s worse than that. Tis not lack of will, it’s a planned murder of the British nation. That Hideous Strength controls them. I don’t know why anybody inside the gates would want to destroy European civilisation, but they do.
It is definitely the will. Four years of Biden saying we needed new laws to close the border. A week of Trump and it was done. No new laws needed.
A free flight home and $1000, and you can apply for entry legally. Get caught and deported you’re never coming back. Asylum claims adjucated at the border with instant return if it fails. Looks like about 2 million have self deported so far. No new laws needed.
Get caught, spend 6 months in an Arizona desert camp, and deported you’ll get 2 years in the desert camp if you come back.
Gamecock’s new, improved plan.
Tim, I most definitely did not suggest that. I’m not that stupid.
I’m suggesting playing these assoles’ tactics back at them. A con game.
First. How much is going to cost the UK to have these cvnts resident? Accom, benefits, problems they create, in due course no doubt dependents? A million a head & rising? So that’s how much you’ve got to play with.
First, negotiate deals with officials out in the Shitholestans, they’ll accept their nationals.back. Doesn’t even need to be their nationals, along as they’ll accept them., Cash on delivery in used notes, any currency they like. They sign a receipt.for the goods.
Now you have to convince Sambo to accept repatriation. Same deal. Cash, He signs a document saying he’s accepting repatriation of his own free will & he undertakes never to return to the UK. He will think he can jump back on the Merry-Go-Round. So the sting. How much do you think he’ll take to sign the doc? Has to be more than his trip costs back to the UK plus, no? 10k?
However part of your deal with the Shitholestanis is if he comes back to UK on the Merry-Go-Round, next time they accept him back as a freebee. Any sensible Shitholestani is going to take Sambo back of the airport arrivals building, put a bullet through his head & relieve him of his wedge. Problem permanently solved. Might cost you 60k a head overall plus expenses.
And you can count on the Shitholestanis to keep this deal sweet. They’ll want to keep getting their 60k’s. Until they run out of Shitholestanis want to travel UKwards. Pretty quick I’d guess, since those who do are never seen again.
Do the deal with shitholestanis. Set up a private company in Shitholeistan and register a small fleet of obsolete cruise liners under a Shitohleistan flag. Give CEO etc. positions in the company to friends and family of the Grand Goatfucker. Company gets paid for every person ‘rescued’ from the channel and safely landed in Shitholeistan. If they never touch British soil or a British-flagged vessel they never have the chance to claim asylum.
I must say I do like that. But I’m trying to further than stopping the buggers coming. I want to get shot of the ones already come. If you made my deal sweet enough you could even tempt the ones who’ve come & been granted residence. It’s the usual con game judo. You use the greed & avarice of your mark to con himself. That’s how good cons work.
No documentation = no valid claim, DNA taken, put straight on an outbound boat.
Documentation = check DNA, if previously expelled, put straight on outbound boat.
The obvious option is South Georgia.
Send the Royal Engineers there first for a few months to erect some shipping containers for them to live it – we don’t want to be uncivilised about it – and then parachute the first 100 in by the same planes that will drop occasional supplies (ditto).
Three days later parachute the next 100 in, and continue until the Channel is foaming with young military aged males swimming to France (by about day four, if the PR campaign is done properly).
Have I gone mad? Here, of all places, to see these endless, costly, contortionist solutions, all of which will breed their own bad incentives?
The cheapest and most cost-effective answer is the one that nations have deployed since forever: give the invaders fair warning then, if they persist, spray the ordnance of an oerlikon gun over their heads. If they persist beyond that, they’re fair game.
We either maintain our border (and thereby our country), or we don’t. And then we lose our country.
Everything else is mimsy mithering.
Te problem with your idea is you’d have to find someone to fire that cannon. And you’re dealing with a nation of curtain twitchers. Give someone the cannon & they’d be nervously looking around saying “Er..me.?..Can’t someone else……? Oh….I don’t know…tut tut. What would people think?”
I’d do it and for free. I’d even hang a few murderers, too….
All this work to try to keep people out is getting expensive. we should fix the problem once and for all by just letting them in. If that is expensive due to us paying them benefits, the solution is not to try to keep them out but to simply stop paying the benefits.
We know from so many parts of the world and its history that central planning is a very poor alternative to a free market, so stop trying to plan where people live and let the market decide.
Under the circumstances you describe, the UK would be inundated with a million thieves and beggars from Goatfuckistan within a year. Sure, after a while the market would sort it out. They (and many of us) will probably leave once the UK resembles Somalia.
The “open borders plus no benefits will sort it” argument is an excellent illustration of the foolishness of libertarianism.
We are just letting them in, or had you not noticed?
And the price is rape, murder and mayhem on an industrial scale.
OT (but immigration related).
I see the limited liability company system is working to our collective benefit again:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3kevkl3pdo
Aren’t we lucky that its so easy for these entrepreneurs to come to the UK and set up such wonderfully profitable businesses?