E-commerce company Shein has announced it will ban sex dolls from sale on its sites, after French authorities condemned the company for featuring some that resembled children.
Does banging a piece of plastic that looks like a child increase or reduce the amount of child banging that goes on? Ban them or subsidise them?
Hurrah! Comments are back!
You’re expecting a common sense view to be taken by people for whom image rather than effectiveness is everything
Hooray for comments – I missed reading them yesterday. You had a great bunch of posts too…
From a practical point of view, some perv shagging a doll which resembles a 10 year old does not harm anyone. Nor does said perv wanking himself senseless to AI porn harm anyone.
However, there seems to be differences of opinion regarding whether porn and sex toys are a substitute for sexual activity or a driver of it, at least in some cases. I have seen a number of reports about rapes which say the rapist was obsessed with porn. That French doctor who molested dozens of children also had a collection of child-sized sex dolls.
It’s a bit tricky to test scientifically whether banging a piece of plastic that looks like a child increases or reduce the amount of child banging but it doesn’t matter, you’d never get public support for legalising this stuff. It’s too emotive and, frankly, too icky. Also, you just know that, next time there’s a prosecution of some serial abuser, he would be in possession of tons of it.
We do actually know the answer to this. For some, porn (and dolls etc) is a substitute. Instead of. For others, a complement – more of the one leads to more of the other. Humans are weird etc, we pretty much always do have half a dozen of one, 6 of the other.
Overall? On balance? A substitute. The spread of porn has reduced rape and sexual violence rates. The Czech experience – by chance they made child porn legal in the mass legal rewrite after the commies – is that this is true of child porn too. Overall – and again, overall, not in each case – child porn is a substitute.
The both legal and political difficulty is that on balance isn’t always – so there will be cases where allowing will lead to monstrousness. While we’d never know about the monstrousness prevented.
If the Czechs legalised child porn, doesn’t that mean that they effectively legalised child abuse? You can’t make child porn without sexually abusing or exploiting children. Did they keep it legal?
Do we know that though? Or is it a correlation? Not that it matters, as you say:
And that is why it will never happen.
Attitudes to this are not logical, I concede. For example, I am faintly worried that this thread will get us all on some sort of watchlist. Yet diversity noncery continues and the Establishment continues to desperately try to sweep it under the carpet.
” I am faintly worried that this thread will get us all on some sort of watchlist.”
Can’t say I’m worried for me. I’ve published this point at both Forbes and the ASI. Anyone wants to get me for it they already can.
It’s curious with sexual matters, how you’ll get “facts” promulgated with absolute confidence that simply aren’t facts. And flak for contradicting them..
Not for talking about it – but in the comments after this one, where they’re asking questions the government does not want you to ask . . . .
Depending on the jurisdiction it can be very easy to make child porn without any children. In England, for example, it covers people who are or appear to be under 18. Likewise in some jurisdictions cartoons or other art which is not photographs of real things is covered. There’s a whole industry dedicated to depicting things which are fictional – each James Bond film does not have an associated list of deceased cast members.
“The spread of porn has reduced rape and sexual violence rates”.
You sure about that Tim?
Overlay that with growth in population. Then add in when the Pakistanis arrived…
Would indeed be interesting to compare the number of rapes with the number of particular groups of migrants.
Of course I was entertained to see the stabbing loony was ‘a Brit of Carribean descent’. Unfortunately the news didn’t tell me the skin colour of the second bloke who was arrested on suspicion, and then later freed.
The second bloke was mistakenly pointed out to the police as being the stabber, so they Tasered him.
He kept shouting “It wasn’t me!” People on Twitter are suggesting that, for that reason, the police should not have tasered or arrested him.
After viewing the CCTV, the police let him go.
The only innocent passenger mistaken for the black stabber is black. Some are hinting that racism may have been involved.
The innocent guy bungling plod Tasered you mea. He was also black, though we don’t know which flavour.
They could have shot him through a door instead…
And when the definitions of rape and especially “sexual violence” as offences changed…
Statista data show the number of police recorded rape offences in England and Wales has increased fourfold over the past 20 years. That obviously doesn’t prove that porn is to blame, but it doesn’t seem to have helped.
I reckon the mass availability of hardcore pornography – unprecedented in human history btw – is a lot more destructive than we know.
It’s a major driver of middle aged men wanking themselves into being “transgender” for one thing. It also seems to have poisoned the relationships between young men and women, because so many of them don’t even have sex.
The radfems were right about porn.
Steve
“Unprecedented in history”? Take a look at temples in India or Herculaneum…
And it’s feminism that has poisoned the relationships between young men and women – not porn.
The damage porn does is in the coarsening of feeling…
This ^ – incels are not about wanking, they are about entitled wimmins who want a 10 looks with millionaire money whilst they are about a 6 with the social media filters turned to maximum.
Incels are losers and they have a loser’s mentality.
“They’re all whores, except me Nan” is a cope for poorly socialised young men whose horrible personalities put women off. Younger generations have an alarming tendency to give up and ragequit at the first rejection, and not just in relation to sex – WWGD? (Who Would Genghis Do?)
You can find a nice girl at church, or the library, or helping out at the cat sanctuary, or lots of places. British women aren’t slags, they’re our daughters, wives and mothers and if young men want a girlfriend they better show some R E S P E C T
Steve……. You do realise we all don’t do just Missionary… mmm’kaaaayyy…
“Church” for most Youf is something your Parental Units make you do.
A “library” is a mythical thing you grandparents used.
You only encounter RadFems and RadGreens at Cat Sanctuaries… And you’ll agree with me that you Do Not Stick Your Dick In Crazy.
( same applies to Horsegirls, and the like…..)
And really… Brit girls *are* “slags”…
The amount of poon I got getting home *from* the UK on the Slow Ferry from Brit girls getting Away from their Parents and Expectations is…. significant..
Especially since going *to* the UK the pickings are slim, as they’re getting back in Harness..
And it’s entirely possible to do a Wild Night, and still have that Song thing..
You just got to filter out the Drama Queens….
“Younger generations have an alarming tendency to give up and ragequit at the first rejection, and not just in relation to sex – WWGD? (Who Would Genghis Do?)”
A lot of men don’t make it a priority. They want to indulge their time and money in childish hobbies like Warhammer, video games or watching football.
The main reason I did OK in my teenage years was making it a priority. If there was a disco on, or a party on, I went. The best reason for starting a band is that you meet girls. Join a choir, there’s loads of single women, or women that know single women. A mate of mine swears by Ceroc. When his wife died, he went and did some latin dance, had a few girlfriends through that, then met his second wife.
Take a look at temples in India or Herculaneum…
Did people in the ancient world have a device in their pocket that can stream unlimited hardcore niche porn into their eyeballs at 1080p at the swipe of a thumb?
No type of perversion is new under the sun, but the availability and ubiquity of porn is new. Olden days temple prostitution or the fleshpots of Rome were about sex, not masturbation. And, candidly, you had to be rich to afford a degenerate lifestyle.
Blaming everything on feminism seems dumb to me. Is feminism to blame for disgusting modern trends such as “group sex” (so beloved by premiershit footballers) or “rough sex” (something any father worth his salt would commit a murder to avenge), or the acceptance of mass scale digital prostitution via OnlyFans and the like? It’s not Andrea Dworkin’s doing, is it? She wasn’t getting any
Other than Pakistani rape gangs, who is forcing the women into group or rough sex?
They are harlots who have given up on traditional values because feminazis told them it was just a method of control by the patriarchy.
Bob – it’s not so much “forcing”, it’s that expectations have been pornified. They grow up watching what porno actors do, and emulate it. Girls do what they think the boys want.
Steve, people in the ancient world were often exposed daily to pornographic imagery. Group sex and rough sex have always been practised. Meanwhile, feminism emphasises the importance of female sexual pleasure and advocates a non-judgemental approach to its pursuit by women. And the ever-increasing feminisation of our society disrupts the relationship between men and women.
They had bath houses, temples, public libraries, and for the Rich, general art that showed to the Outside that they actually could…
Between the archeological finds of Art and Graffity….
Sex, and its advertising, was about as prolific as the Ban The Bomb posters in the ’70’s/80’s….
Hell… The Romans had codfied rules about prostitutes, and as long as those were obeyed, *nothing Happened*.
Literally…. didn’t exist, while the graffity on the walls proclaimed Value for Money….
I do wonder how much of the poisoning has been due to some people viewing p*rn and thinking that’s normal. And that if that’s normal, they don’t want any part of it.
But then, we’ve had things like plays and movies for ages. With stabbings, swordplay, etc. galore.
Has this changed people’s behavior and made them think this was normal? Or do we view the few people who are deluded into thinking that as being detached from life?
Want to overlay a curve for population diversity on that, Addolff?
That’s recorded crime. Which is different to actual crime.
In 1898 DNA evidence wasn’t a known thing. Or much else in the way of forensic science. There wasn’t CCTV. Marital rape wasn’t a crime. And if you caught a man raping your wife, you probably dealt with it with a shotgun.
The better we got at prosecuting rape, the more reports we got.
I find it interesting that the graph starts to sharply rise in the mid 60s. Which is also the time when people started talking about sex (a lot).Start of modern feminism etc. The graph goes nearly vertical around the start of “woke”. I’m going to take a guess here & suggest this may be more about the reporting of rape rather than the incidence.
Quite so:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/all-about-sex/201601/evidence-mounts-more-porn-less-sexual-assault
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/talking-apes/202104/does-porn-use-lead-sexual-violence
I’m not sure how much credence to lend to any study in psychology. Most studies are vastly underpowered for the results they claim.
This is not to say that the studies may be right. They are however vastly overconfident.
“The Czech experience – by chance they made child porn legal in the mass legal rewrite after the commies – is that this is true of child porn too.”
Maybe the reduction in child sex was due to throwing off the Commies, not due to the porn becoming legal. Communism causes child abuse.
The only possible interpretation of any research whatever in the ‘social sciences’ is: some do, some don’t.
Ernest Rutherford (Baron Rutherford of Nelson) 1871-1937
Cause <–> effect….
Rapists, of any shape, are people who cannot or will not control their primal urges. Up to the point of pore OCD sometimes.
Of course they’ll be addicted to/obsessed with porn about their particular fetish.
It’s part of their release. You can’t find a handy victim every day, or even multiple times a day, can you?
Porn gives that outlet, for most.
Correlation.
How many of these rapists owned a pair of trousers?
Therefore, anyone who owns a pair of trousers…
So let’s see the rape statistics for Scotland…
Is this statistic from the latest Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett Graudian article?
From a practical point of view, some perv shagging a doll which resembles a 10 year old does not harm anyone.
It harms the pervert, deforming his sensibility and corrupting his feelings and attitudes. Necrophilia may be dead boring and not harm anyone; but it would upset the deceased’s family, and corrupt the necrophiliac’s feelings and attitudes.
“dead boring”
All mirth is good. — Spinoza
I just had a look on AliExpress, trying to work out what they’re talking about. Shein is basically AE with a more Eurocentric front end.
They do market what would be described as sex dolls in that they’re anatomically…shall we say “accurate”. But they don’t seem to offer any look childlike. Quite the opposite. Mostly they look enthusiastically mature.* However they are available in heights down to 140cm. Which for Europeans would border on “childish”. However it wouldn’t in China, where females of that height & less are relatively common.
For dolls resembling children, they do offer fairly realistic ones in appropriate sizes. Presumably marketed as toys. But they’re not anatomically accurate. So not intended as a sex toy.
So it’s bit difficult to understand what the Froggy’s beef is. One would guess it’s the puritan element’s way of banning sex dolls.
*With reference to a previous comment, wouldn’t appeal to 50% of British males.
it’s bit difficult to understand what the Froggy’s beef is.
That’s because they call it boeuf.
Thinking as a utilitarian for a moment here.
The short ones may be easier to store in e.g. a closet.
Easier to move around; you try dragging around a limp adult human-sized, human-weight doll. They suggest packages over 50 pounds or so in a lifting job should be moved either by two people or with a dolly. I can imagine the comedy there.
Not to mention cheaper to ship.
I think we may have found the one topic on which the BBC could provide some insights. They do seem to employ a great number of experts on the subject, both on the practical side and the theory. The problem is though, that, much lke the UK government they provide the PR for, lying is in their DNA, so finding out the truth might be impossible…
Amazing how Winston Churchill’s statue is not safe from desecration in London, but the BBC has no problems paying money to restore a statue of BBC child rapist Eric Gill.
The solution to paedophilia is the same solution that worked on bandits and highwaymen: hang them all.
Just bring back the death penalty and apply it to people who are sexually interested in children. Why did we waste all that money keeping the lead singer of the Lost Prophets in prison?
Because the payoff was him getting shanked in prison instead of a quick death? PPV revenue would have covered the costs until that point.
Yeah but I’m a moderate centrist who believes in lawn order. I don’t want paedophiles to be brutally murdered in prison.
I want them to be lovingly hanged to death by a kind and gentle professional carnifex.
Come now Steve, why so squeamish?
I thought you advocated lions with fricking laser eyes to deal with politicians?
Plus isn’t your favourite brand of sky fairy a vengeful god who promoted an-eye-for-an-eye?
Robert, I stand by my leonine plans for politicians, because politicians should fear the electorate. (And because it’s funny.) If they won’t fear the voters, they can fear Simba.
Blasphemy only hurts the one saying foolish things about the Pancreator, my son. Lex talionis is still lex, ergo we should do things in a lawful and orderly manner.
I admit to reading about Ian Watkins’ murder and thinking “lol”, but larks aside, it’s concerning that the government cannot keep the people it has imprisoned safe from being stabbed to death and in some cases tortured to death in their own cells. This is Britain, we are a civilised people, but our prisons are turning feral. Rough justice is better than no justice at all, but it should shame us that Ian Watkins had to wait to be stabbed by other inmates when we should have hanged him years ago. One thing he said to one of the women who allowed him to rape her little daughter has always stuck with me as one of the most evil things I’ve ever heard. He said:
“Let’s show her she isn’t loved”.
This is beyond the power of even the mightiest and most supple of regal African savannah kitties to adequately punish. I hope he roasts in Hell.
And yet I still get giggles when I think of the fantastic “dental work” that the prison officers provided to Michael Adebolajo.
Or the “noise abatement” lesson both of Lee Rigby’s killers got from John Anslow who was berthed next to them.
Can’t wait for them to be carved up – that would be divine justice (in the absence of which, I think my blasphemy is safe).
Horrifically, there is apparently a looooooooooooooooooot of people that really do want to bang children. I don’t know if there’s an increase over the last decade and a half or if we just can find these people easier – but that they certainly feel much more free to be open about it is a problem and child sex dolls contribute to that.
You would think they would subsidise them for these people. A bit like they do with drugs now. Free drugs for druggies and free child dolls for paedophiles. with harsh penalties for those that are not happy with that and want the real thing. I believe castration would be an acceptable solution to most of us.