‘How sick do they have to get?’ Doctors brace for US supreme court hearing on emergency abortions
The piece opens standard American journalism school style. Personal story from a participant.
Personally I absolutely hate this style but that’s what they’re taught, that’s what wins prizes.
Still, the background, sure. We’re back in this battleground of competing rights. That of the child/baby/foetus/blastocyst to not be killed and that of the mother to not be mother/not die herself. As we’ve got laws – and always have had too – about where those two sets of rights switch from the babbie must be born to switch on that vacuum cleaner then we’ve got to have legal judgements about where that switch is.
Pretty much everyone – even The Pope – will agree that treating the ectopic pregnancy to save the mother’s life, even if that does mean the death of the embryo (note the very precise formulation the Catholic Church uses there, treat and if as a byproduct is OK, directly not) is moral if regrettable.
Defining “emergency” as “the bird’s feeling a bit peaky” would lead us to where we are in Britain today, effectively on demand even as that’s not, at all, what the law says.
So, yes, there are going to mneed to be lgeal rulings.
Wah, wah, wah!!!
It sounds as if an abortion can take place if the mother is in danger of death. But not if she has morning sickness.
Seems like much ado about nothing to me. But of course I’m a bloke. A real one!! I can’t get pregnant.
I could make a suggestion though. Since Biden and his mob feel this is so important that they need to rig the law, why not try to amend the constitution. That way they’d get the thing done properly, without all this nonsense.
Personally I absolutely hate this style but that’s what they’re taught, that’s what wins prizes.
And what makes it both specious and unreadable. “Mary Jane blah blah bad decisions blah blah boyfriend blah blah abuse blah blah therefore all men are evil/rape culture/patriarchy/white supremacy groan bore fart”
Not to mention that it’s always so fucking long.
There’s a person pictured in the article, holding up a sign saying “Abortion Saves Lives”.
I think they’ve aborted 50,000,000 babies since abortion was legalised in the United States, but it “saves lives”.
There’s another person holding a sign saying “Abortion is Healthcare”.
We’re also told that giving children transgender hormones, and lopping off the healthy, functional genitals of young adults, is “healthcare”.
Not sure if the guy with the “Ignorance is Strength” sign didn’t know what time to show up or what. I’m so old fashioned I think “healthcare” is about saving your life.
Margaret Sanger was pretty clear about the purposes for abortion, but we’re no longer allowed to talk about that as it might “taint” the debate.
“Abortion Saves Lives”. If the abortion rate is disproportionately high among young ghetto women then you are using abortion to cull babies who would otherwise disproportionately grow up to spend their teenage and early adult years trying to murder each other.
So in that narrow sense the slogan may contain some truth.
BiP – that was Margaret Sanger’s idea as JG notes.
Unfortunately, murdering millions of black children in utero hasn’t prevented the United States from being overrun by a new Third World majority, and their formerly gleaming cities are depressing, crime ridden shitholes where white faces get scarcer by the day.
This should not surprise us, because a society that embraces evil is doomed to fail. As the Man in Black warned us, you can run on for a long time, but sooner or later…
@Steve
50m to 60m in the US since legalisation and depending on whose numbers you believe but who is really counting when it gets that high?
A couple of years back the number passed 10m in the UK. As it’s such a wonderful thing, I’m surprised they didn’t hold a march to celebrate that glorious milestone.
Andrew C – A couple of years back the number passed 10m in the UK. As it’s such a wonderful thing, I’m surprised they didn’t hold a march to celebrate that glorious milestone.
We could build a lovely statue of their god Moloch in Trafalgar Square.
@Steve – “There’s a person pictured in the article, holding up a sign saying “Abortion Saves Lives”.”
Yes. That is an indisputable fact. You may argue over the number of lives it saves, but not that it does. See the famous case of Savita Halappanavar who died due to the lack of an abortion.
– “There’s another person holding a sign saying “Abortion is Healthcare”.”
It certainly is. It is care for the health of the woman who is pregnant. There can be no doubt about that either.
– “I’m so old fashioned I think “healthcare” is about saving your life.”
Really? So if you’re in a car crash and have a broken leg which is not life threatening, treatment for it is not healthcare? That’s very strange definition of healthcare.
This looks like another attempt to get abortion recognised as a Federal issue. If SCOTUS find in their favour it will be “see, abortion is a Federal issue now rule that it’s legal everywhere” unless the judges make very narrow ruling.
Charles – Yes. That is an indisputable fact. You may argue over the number of lives it saves, but not that it does. See the famous case of Savita Halappanavar who died due to the lack of an abortion.
Thank you! You’ve given me something to think about, and here’s what I think:
Are unborn babies Nazis or something?
Saying “abortion saves lives” when we’re trading, let’s be generous to the pro choice side and say 10,000 dead babies per woman who otherwise might’ve died for lack of an abortion is the kind of attritional psycho logic we used in order to firebomb Dresden.
I believe, although correct me if you know more, that abortion was already legal in Ireland in the case of medical necessity to protect the life of the mother? I’m not a doctor and don’t know all the details, so dunno. Sadly, doctors/hospitals accidentally kill people all the time, for any number of reasons. This is not a good argument for killing the unborn in general.
Ireland has sub-replacement native birth rates and over 20% of the population is now (like the sadly and tragically deceased Savita Halappanavar, may God rest her and keep her) foreign-born. They (and we) can’t afford the luxury of abortion on demand. We do it anyway, natch. Can’t afford the national debt either, yet wheeee! said the Treasury.
It certainly is. It is care for the health of the woman who is pregnant. There can be no doubt about that either.
Do you also think nose jobs are “healthcare”? At least they don’t slice off your nose (yet. Will ghoulophobia be the next hot culture war bollocks?).
I think there are circumstances in which abortion is a tragic necessity, and in those cases it is indeed healthcare.
Most abortions aren’t medically necessary. You don’t get to Wild Wacky Holocaust numbers of deaths (50-60 million in the US at last count, 10 million in the UK) because all those women had ectopic pregnancies, or (let’s include some of the other popular sympathetic reasons for abortion) the mother was raped, or is a frightened 12 year old girl herself, or whatever tragic story.
No. C’mon. What happened to “safe, legal and rare”?
Really? So if you’re in a car crash and have a broken leg which is not life threatening, treatment for it is not healthcare? That’s very strange definition of healthcare.
You win today’s gold medal for Pendantry, Charles.
You know what I meant. Healthcare is meant to help you become whole and sane. Remember all that Hippocratic nonsense? Pregnancy is not a disease. But now that you mention it, isn’t there a straight line between normalised abortion and the current normalisation of euthanasia / “assisted” suicide? And if so, is that what we want as a society? Death, I mean.
I hope not.
Choose life.
@Steve – “I believe, although correct me if you know more, that abortion was already legal in Ireland in the case of medical necessity to protect the life of the mother? I’m not a doctor and don’t know all the details, so dunno.”
You don’t have to be a doctor to read the fairly extensive Wikipedia page.
– “Ireland has sub-replacement native birth rates”
Ah. The racist, bigoted bit. In what way does the location of someone’s birth dictate their value to a nation?
– “They (and we) can’t afford the luxury of abortion on demand.”
Why? Are these people your slaves, without whose work you will be impoverished?
– “Pregnancy is not a disease.”
No, but have a look at the death rates of mothers (and their babies) due to pregnancy in the days before modern medicine.
As you know, as a regular reader, my views are very different. But:
“No, but have a look at the death rates of mothers (and their babies) due to pregnancy in the days before modern medicine.”
Quite, we’ve solved that one now so that’s not a pro-abortion argument. As is that we’ve solved the food problem therefore exposing babies that cannot be afforded is no longer a solution. Shrug.
And, umm:
“In what way does the location of someone’s birth dictate their value to a nation?”
Their membership of it?
@Tim – “that’s not a pro-abortion argument”
Correct, (well, mostly, there are still some dangerous circumstances). But it is an argument that medics need to get involved in pregnancy.
– “Their membership of it?”
No. That is awarded by a nation on whatever criteria it likes.