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So very cheap, these renewables, so very cheap

Rishi Sunak to hit households with £170 net zero green levy
The two-year suspension of green levies announced last autumn is to end from the beginning of July, The Telegraph has learned

If wind and solar are so cheap then why isn;t the system cheap? Or is it because wind and solar are only cheap if the system costs are not taken into account?

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Boganboy
Boganboy
2 years ago

You’ve got it Tim. If you don’t include the costs, things ARE cheaper.

Bloke in North Dorset
Bloke in North Dorset
2 years ago

Good. The sooner households learn the true cost of this madness the sooner it ends.

The Meissen Bison
The Meissen Bison
2 years ago

So a “two year suspension” lasts only nine months? Rishi is going after the XR / Just Stop Oil vote. Inspired!

JuliaM
JuliaM
2 years ago

BiND: ’ The sooner households learn the true cost of this madness the sooner it ends.’

The madness, you mean? Or Sunak’s career?

Steve
Steve
2 years ago

Fuck it, me and the lads are off to Rostov on Don.

The Meissen Bison
The Meissen Bison
2 years ago

Don’t forget to pack some Lions!

Steve
Steve
2 years ago

TMB – hush my darling, don’t fear, my darling.

bloke in spain
bloke in spain
2 years ago

I see the Torygraph is now hyping the UK as “the future Saudia Arabia of windpower’
Where are you going to keep the camels?

Boganboy
Boganboy
2 years ago

Farting at the windmills BiS??

Bloke in North Dorset
Bloke in North Dorset
2 years ago

Julia,

Until we stop the madness it won’t matter who’s in No 10, they’ll just know tow to the green movement.

Tim responded to Tweet from one of the nutters that claimed Musk was a climate denier because he only insisted that fossil fuels were a problem but not farming, in the grand scheme of things.

https://twitter.com/jksteinberger/status/1672864068435050497?s=61&t=VX5cJ0-osgn_JSz7j-uowQ

As long as people like that get a hearing outside the mental hospitals were all foooked.

Steve
Steve
2 years ago

BiS – the Torygraph is now hyping the UK as “the future Saudia Arabia of windpower”

Vote Conservative for a windmill on every mosque.

Martin Near The M25
Martin Near The M25
2 years ago

The tories are starting to remind me of that guy in Hitch Hikers Guide who has a personal mission to insult everybody in the universe. “Thinking of voting for us? Have some higher taxes and a smack in the face. That was a party political broadcast for the conservative party.”

Steve
Steve
2 years ago

Martin – vote Conservative, because the humiliation is part of the kink.

Chris Miller
Chris Miller
2 years ago

From the Tory(?)graph article:

The cost of the levies was shifted from consumer bills to be funded instead by the Government

WTF do they think ‘government’ gets its money?

Addolff
Addolff
2 years ago

Net zero would be kicked into the long grass forever if the peeps were given the factual answers to these two questions:
1. How much will this cost us?
2. How much difference to global temperature will it make?
Answers:
1. You, your children and your childrens children will be impoverished to the level of a third world shithole and everything your ancestors worked, gave their taxes, lives and blood for will have been for nothing.
2. None.

Hand up all those who support net zero………

philip
philip
2 years ago

In the interests of transparency the government should send out invoices like this:
“Pay XX pounds by return so that we can give money to Big Greenspiv”
If more people knew where their money is going they’d kick up more of a stink. Especially when the grid falls over next winter.

Bloke in North Dorset
Bloke in North Dorset
2 years ago

philip,

Before the grid falls over they’ll have shut down high energy industries and turned on very expensive diesel generators, in the middle of a recession.

john77
john77
2 years ago

@ Adolff
The answer to 2. is “some not-quite zero amount that is less than 0.1 degrees”.
The UK is responsible for nearly 1% of CO2 emissions from energy, having reduced CO2 emissions by approximately one-third in ten years; China is responsible for a bit over 31%, having increased its emissions by one-fifth (more than five times the UK’s total) in ten years.
[Pendantically UK reduced by 32% 2011-2021, by 34% 2012-2021, so I said “approximately one-third”]

john77
john77
2 years ago

Catching up on backlog of emails I find that “Unlock Net Zero” said that “New research shows heat pumps to be three times more efficient than gas boilers” – i read on, interested. Efficiency ratio of 4x – oh no, the text claims 280% – a bit less than “three times as efficient” or “two times more efficient” and, on cold days, when its needed, 244%.
So if one’s use of a heat pump is adding to the use of coal-fired power stations who are the marginal suppliers in winter, the total system production of CO2 is increased.
Further down the page it mentions “hybrid syastems” where the heat pump is used when its cheaper than the gas boiler – which sounds like a sensible idea. The heat pump was used for space heating 39% of the time, the gas boiler was used for all hot water and for space heating 61% of the time.
Of course the spokesman claimed that as demonstrating that heat pumps are not inefficient.

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